EPTOn August 30 2012 04:24 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
btw is very simple. organize match bibiane vs rush[pain]
btw is very simple. organize match bibiane vs rush[pain]
yea, gogog
but common... its imposible that there are twins player in sc 
Rush[Pain] = Bibiane ? - Page 2
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
yea, gogog but common... its imposible that there are twins player in sc | ||
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Game
3191 Posts
Edit: It's my personal opinion that you should not only be banned from YSL, ASL, but TL for such useless posts that serve to defame an organization and players who train hard every single day to improve simply for your own vendetta. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:24 Game wrote: Let's see, RuSh, Bibiane, and Bizzy live within 5 miles of each other, train with each other in real life, and often play at each others houses. They share IDs for training purposes as well. I'd be willing to say that if I played the same race with 2 superior players at their houses, with them giving me tips and advice on how to improve/play, I'd look a hell of a lot like them regarding apm too. I think you are genuinely mistaking invaluable resources with abuse. can we get a picture of those 3 guys ? at the same time and practicing . and also is very strange bibiane and bizzy both back stream at the same time. is cuz they have clan house ? . lol this is more interesting | ||
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yB.TeH
Germany414 Posts
also in both replays the hotkey 3 for the cc is never used again at ~12minutes despite not being used for something else i added some notable things to the picture that are very unusual for a player to use other than smurfing or similarities ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rLZFl.jpg) i'd really like some replays of them to be sure | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:24 Game wrote: Let's see, RuSh, Bibiane, and Bizzy live within 5 miles of each other, train with each other in real life, and often play at each others houses. They share IDs for training purposes as well. I'd be willing to say that if I played the same race with 2 superior players at their houses, with them giving me tips and advice on how to improve/play, I'd look a hell of a lot like them regarding apm too. I think you are genuinely mistaking invaluable resources with abuse. problem is that you dont understand that apm/eapm hk usage etc is like finger prints. Its not possible that two player has the same everything. Please post a replay of them playin together and you will see that i have right | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:31 hacklebeast wrote: While I don't agree with your conclusion, I can at least commend you for having some kind of evidence, and creating a coherent argument to back up your claim. actually the evidence is clear . maybe u dont see this cuz u also cant see minimap in ur cast. but is pretty clear , | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
If so, I'm at a lack of words, but I don't think anyone is seriously buying into your theory. | ||
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yB.TeH
Germany414 Posts
if there is such a replay with somewhat similiar apm/hotkeys there will be no doubt that they are not the same person :o | ||
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dr.shrinker
Norway369 Posts
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
Original Message From mca64[KDV]: would You play few pvt vs me (me T) @ Jade? Need some good toss to practice before ysl match. Let me know, if yes please post time where you can play "... !" oo nice i will stick probally to ysl only cause in asl2 admins covered bibiane playin for rush and i dont like it!! i have proovs that rush = bibiane.... and will make a topic within few days" so if you wouldnt me banned i rather still dont wanna play in asl2 | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:37 Eywa- wrote: I have one thing to say and one thing only... Are people seriously considering incriminating two of the largest organizers in foreign Brood War, the biggest organizer in amateur brood war and the most consistent hot key analyst in the scene over the words of a player who's post history includes 90% posts which are about how things are unfair and the world of tournaments is out to get him? If so, I'm at a lack of words, but I don't think anyone is seriously buying into your theory. im sorry but sometimes the better also fail . no ? and unless bibiane and rush[pain] play in two days max one week (live event) and check every again.there is not way he cant prove he is not if scan manage to go to far in isl2 . why he cant ;; | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:41 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: im sorry but sometimes the better also fail . no ? and unless bibiane and rush[pain] play in two days max one week (live event) and check every again.there is not way he cant prove he is not if scan manage to go to far in isl2 . why he cant ;; Scan got caught... By zimp no less... Who went through about 50 replays if not more for the Bibiane/RuSh case on 4-5 different occasions when I asked him to... Every time was the same answer. Then one guy who comes up and posts stuff about 1 replay somehow overwrites all of zimp's work? Not sure how this thread isn't closed. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
BTW i just see u guys hate that guy and not want listen his words. im sorry mca . good luck in ysl | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
problem solved not a big deal i personally don't see these hotkeys being different people considering the inconsistency of creating sets that end up falling into disuse | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
I guess there is no room for misinterpretation in my answer this time. Ignore this sentence if you're not dutch *cough* The issue is, that, according to Game, the two (or three) are living close together, so, in my eyes, there is the potential that there could be incidents where one player smurfed for the other. When and where this happened, I don't know, I'm not really interest in the league/players (but how it works, the 'how to catch a smurf thing'), nor did mca state it somewhere here. Then again the "we had them play argument" doesn't matter, cause they could only be "cheating" in important games. Also: there are no replays, only screens. It might help to have them, actually, along with all the screens/data that has been collected to get an idea. Game is right here: if they're clean and the better player helps the rookie, their hotkeys and their patterns are quite likely very similar. However, things like the eapm/apm ratio/difference you mentioned seem more than fishy. Did you consider to maybe do further statistics on them? Variance, significance and so on? Should be doable, though not too sure if it would actually proof something beyond reasonable doubt. I'm not too sure if they would mean too much, but worth a shot. Sad topic, you prolly have to live with the decision - in dubio pro reo makes sense after all, even if it sucks from your perspective. Just a sidenote, not meant offensive - this topic was created after he contacted the orga, right? Dunno if there was a fuckup in understanding a non-native English speaker or not, but he at least seems to have proof (even if it's only his judgement here). -> I don't see his thread as "this" offending / having a grudge | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:37 Eywa- wrote: I have one thing to say and one thing only... Are people seriously considering incriminating two of the largest organizers in foreign Brood War, the biggest organizer in amateur brood war and the most consistent hot key analyst in the scene over the words of a player who's post history includes 90% posts which are about how things are unfair and the world of tournaments is out to get him? If so, I'm at a lack of words, but I don't think anyone is seriously buying into your theory. the problem is, this guy's posts come with some screenshots and proof. whereas game's posts are just...posts. i'm not saying i'm sold (honestly i have nfi how to eyeball how similar replays are and shit) but you haven't provided a convincing argument here | ||
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:01 Gecko[Xp] wrote: + Show Spoiler + I guess there is no room for misinterpretation in my answer this time. Ignore this sentence if you're not dutch *cough* The issue is, that, according to Game, the two (or three) are living close together, so, in my eyes, there is the potential that there could be incidents where one player smurfed for the other. When and where this happened, I don't know, I'm not really interest in the league/players (but how it works, the 'how to catch a smurf thing'), nor did mca state it somewhere here. Then again the "we had them play argument" doesn't matter, cause they could only be "cheating" in important games. Also: there are no replays, only screens. It might help to have them, actually, along with all the screens/data that has been collected to get an idea. Game is right here: if they're clean and the better player helps the rookie, their hotkeys and their patterns are quite likely very similar. However, things like the eapm/apm ratio/difference you mentioned seem more than fishy. Did you consider to maybe do further statistics on them? Variance, significance and so on? Should be doable, though not too sure if it would actually proof something beyond reasonable doubt. I'm not too sure if they would mean too much, but worth a shot. Sad topic, you prolly have to live with the decision - in dubio pro reo makes sense after all, even if it sucks from your perspective. Just a sidenote, not meant offensive - this topic was created after he contacted the orga, right? Dunno if there was a fuckup in understanding a non-native English speaker or not, but he at least seems to have proof (even if it's only his judgement here). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=364210¤tpage=4#71 i dont have a time to make more screenshots, writing more analyze. If if wasnt for sure i wouldnt made this topic... i checked many reps, watched many games... | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
Not sharing it has a touch of 9/11 conspiracy to it. | ||
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