EPTRush[Pain] = Bibiane ? - Page 4
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
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ProLeagueFan
Canada73 Posts
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mca64[KDV]
Poland463 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:02 ProLeagueFan wrote: no there not same ppl, i know them irl and there 2 diff ppl., bibiane is also a year older ... so rush exists, thats good they can play each other | ||
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thezanursic
5479 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:26 Game wrote: WIth that, I'm done posting in this thread for now. There is no merit in your theory, and no value in your words. This is just a blind accusation with adolescent quality proof. Edit: It's my personal opinion that you should not only be banned from YSL, ASL, but TL for such useless posts that serve to defame an organization and players who train hard every single day to improve simply for your own vendetta. Don't make this into something that it isn't. Banning him is pointless. I don't think he is doing this for his of vendetta. Give US solid proof and you won't only shut him down. People will also be dettered from such accusations in the future, but if you just attack his claims like this it only makes you look guilty soo give us solid proof or maybe a Rush vs Bibiane game and you are done with this and many future accusations! | ||
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thezanursic
5479 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:37 Eywa- wrote: I have one thing to say and one thing only... Are people seriously considering incriminating two of the largest organizers in foreign Brood War, the biggest organizer in amateur brood war and the most consistent hot key analyst in the scene over the words of a player who's post history includes 90% posts which are about how things are unfair and the world of tournaments is out to get him? If so, I'm at a lack of words, but I don't think anyone is seriously buying into your theory. As much as I love what you guys are doing for the scene and I hope you do it in the future at least provide significant evidence instead of just denying it. | ||
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:02 ProLeagueFan wrote: no there not same ppl, i know them irl and there 2 diff ppl., bibiane is also a year older ... So by just finding an end to this. Let Rush play against the other guy and see if its correct or not? If the both actually uses almost the same hotkeys like they do in these replays and just solve the problem instead of discussing this 100+ pages more. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On August 30 2012 05:28 Game wrote: Obviously this is just my opinion, but I don't think it's necessary at all. If a claim as weak as this was taken to court in a first world country it would be automatically dismissed. I'd like to think that the BW community is first world. However, if this claim actually had enough sustenance to warrant painstaking efforts by the organization, I'd be willing to bet my entire life's savings that it would happen. Edit: For my real life comparison, this would be a photoshopped, video edited YouTube 9/11 conspiracy video regarding smoke or something. You're wrong about one thing... This one woman sued an RV company for not telling here that cruise control = auto-pilot and she won the law suite. | ||
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thezanursic
5479 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:40 mca64[KDV] wrote: my pms with doty before i sent you pm, ater you banned me: Original Message From mca64[KDV]: would You play few pvt vs me (me T) @ Jade? Need some good toss to practice before ysl match. Let me know, if yes please post time where you can play "... !" oo nice i will stick probally to ysl only cause in asl2 admins covered bibiane playin for rush and i dont like it!! i have proovs that rush = bibiane.... and will make a topic within few days" so if you wouldnt me banned i rather still dont wanna play in asl2 I don't like how you just assume that they know Rush=Bibiane and they aren't doing anything. Don't be a conspiricist. | ||
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yB.TeH
Germany414 Posts
all replays i found of bibiane on iccup, and the rush replays from asl the rush ladder stage replays are pretty much useless because offrace, and the bibiane replays are only terran except a 5minute pvt that leaves us only with tvp to compare hotkeys, but most of the times it yields the same results as mca64 stated except some marine medic games where he needed his barracks longer | ||
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renzy
Canada781 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:23 Game wrote: They did play each other for the organization of ASL because they wanted nothing more than to prove their legitimacy. You can close this thread now. Why did the thread even continue to 4 pages? Just post the replays and everything will be solved..or has the replays not been posted yet? | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
What your so called analysis doesn't take into account is that RuSh has higher average APM in the short game but lower average APM in the long game, with that being said... RuSh obviously spams a lot more in the early game than Bibiane does. Also, the value you circled in both situations is relatively the same value for every player in the screen shot, especially the long game... Are you sure that indicates anything at all... Let's move on to your next pretty little graphic... The graphic isn't explained at all and you circled to drastically different graphs and write LOOK... Look at what? Am I supposed to see anything that matches? And even the little bit of analysis which you do provide... 80% of players? Where does this statistic come from? I didn't know my replays had been tested in a survey... Maybe I should just take your word for it? At this point you've pointed out a similar attribute between 4+ players and you've pointed out another graph that just about no one understands, but they look fairly distinct. Somehow, it's nearly a guarantee that they're the same player. So let's take your word for it (because what else do we have?)... Time to look at this next graph... Bibiane's timings are illustrated, RuSh's are not... I'm not sure if this is at your convenience that it wouldn't look good or what... But that's pretty sketchy. (factory and cc) Furthermore, they use the same hot keys... RuSh learned 1v1 from Bibiane. Yet, even though they use the same hotkeys, they are very distinct. I don't know if you noticed, but what we see here resonates with what I said in my first argument, RuSh spams more. notice the HUGE amount more 3s? Perhaps that slipped your attention. Moving on... How long does RuSh go before using hotkey 3 again? Not long... Bibiane seems like a lifetime... Must be the same player. I'm convinced. If you're not already convinced that RuSh and Bibiane are the same player, than look at the last bunch of hotkeys 6+, Bibiane doesn't start to use them until the 12-13 minute mark whereas RuSh starts using them around 8... I'm guessing they have the same purpose, but Bibiane is just a very slow player and doesn't know what the fuck he's doing for those 4 minutes he just spams his CC and shit. Clearly, I'm very convinced by your fancy graphics with no analysis. Now, to conclude on how strong your argument is and how well it demonstrates your situation, I'd like to say... I can definitely see the pattern (Oh wait... There's only one replay used... Or maybe it's a mash up of several different replays upon convenience... Hell if I know, but What I do know is there are not multiple examples, thus no pattern). So, I'm no expert, but with this post I hope to have convinced you guys of KDV's point of view that Bibiane is indeed RuSh and RuSh is indeed Bibiane. They just have different triggers and timings which prompt them to do stuff. Thanks for reading and thanks for uploading the SS, I would have been too lazy to do so on my own. I'm not even sure if they're legitimate, but they'll have to make do. | ||
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thezanursic
5479 Posts
If you're not already convinced that RuSh and Bibiane are the same player, than look at the last bunch of hotkeys 6+, Bibiane doesn't start to use them until the 12-13 minute mark whereas RuSh starts using them around 8... I'm guessing they have the same purpose, but Bibiane is just a very slow player and doesn't know what the fuck he's doing for those 4 minutes he just spams his CC and shit. Clearly, I'm very convinced by your fancy graphics with no analysis. The fact that it happens at different times could be attributed to different builds/different builds of opponents. Find a replay where they are doing the same build and then add some fancy graphics and I'll be convinced that they are not the same person | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:42 thezanursic wrote: Eywa: If you're not already convinced that RuSh and Bibiane are the same player, than look at the last bunch of hotkeys 6+, Bibiane doesn't start to use them until the 12-13 minute mark whereas RuSh starts using them around 8... I'm guessing they have the same purpose, but Bibiane is just a very slow player and doesn't know what the fuck he's doing for those 4 minutes he just spams his CC and shit. Clearly, I'm very convinced by your fancy graphics with no analysis. The fact that it happens at different times could be attributed to different builds/different builds of opponents. Find a replay where they are doing the same build and then add some fancy graphics and I'll be convinced that they are not the same person So basically, you're saying that his screen shots prove nothing and show nothing of value, yet I have to dig up replays and provide screen shots?  Funny man.Funny world we live in, guilty until proven innocent. | ||
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:43 Eywa- wrote: So basically, you're saying that his screen shots prove nothing and show nothing of value, yet I have to dig up replays and provide screen shots? Funny man.Funny world we live in, guilty until proven innocent. I don't want to really take a part of this but why are you defending him or them so much? If you are 100% positive that they are not cheating why don't u just make them play each other? What's the big issue here really? It's so simple to solve. I want this to get solved so the tournament can get played I'm not saying that they are cheating or not but the hotkeys seems fishy which is NOT 100% a fact that they are. BUT since it made so many people interested/curious and maybe "IF" its the truth that they are why isn't it worth looking into? JUST make them play each other it's not harder... It really doesn't help to argue in a thread like this with just words really. I understand you Eywa and Game also. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:47 SilSol wrote: I don't want to really take a part of this but why are you defending him or them so much? If you are 100% positive that they are not cheating why don't u just make them play each other? What's the big issue here really? It's so simple to solve. I want this to get solved so the tournament can get played I'm not saying that they are cheating or not but the hotkeys seems fishy which is NOT 100% a fact that they are. BUT since it made so many people interested/curious and maybe "IF" its the truth that they are why isn't it worth looking into? JUST make them play each other it's not harder... It really doesn't help to argue in a thread like this with just words really. I understand you Eywa and Game also. You don't seem to realise that unsupported accusations hurt everyone in the scene even if it's not instantly visible. Also, as described before them playing each other doesn't solve anything because there's a 100% chance that two people are there... So they can play each other................................ Doesn't solve potential tournament cheating.... And, that's like saying why is it not worth looking into that Bakuryu isn't in fact Kolll or that Infernal isn't in fact dOTY or that SouthPark is TrutaCz... It just isn't because we know and/or have already looked into it. Trust me, whatever this goon did in terms of research... Far more was done to tell if it was Bibiane or not during ASL. | ||
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
On August 30 2012 06:56 Eywa- wrote: You don't seem to realise that unsupported accusations hurt everyone in the scene even if it's not instantly visible. Also, as described before them playing each other doesn't solve anything because there's a 100% chance that two people are there... So they can play each other................................ Doesn't solve potential tournament cheating.... Of course i understand that it hurts everyone. But i assume that if someone is trying to confirm that someone is cheating here and making a thread about it publicly it should be taken care of in a way that helps everyone right? Like if i was going to call someone a cheater/hacker or whatever I know that i would get a lot more evidence than this OP did i do agree on that. But i don't think someone is that stupid making a thread this big for the fun of it, that's just really stupid and not good at all. Well how can we solve this easy and simple without any further 100+ pages discussion? So everyone is happy. edit: so you have looked into it? that Rush isn't in fact that other guy? Provide us with the evidence u guys got then? And just solve this so the OP can't just spit out accusations | ||
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bizzyT
Afghanistan11 Posts
I live close to bibi and rush but I haven't met them in real life But yes, bibi and rush are friends and they go to same school | ||
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KenNage
Chile885 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:00 bizzyT wrote: WTF guys I live close to bibi and rush but I haven't met them in real life But yes, bibi and rush are friends and they go to same school so? if that's true that only says they are both real, it doesn't stop them to play in the others one account. From my point of view the thing seems fishy, maybe they are not the same person, but Game and Eywa- arguing about it asking to close the thread make the whole thing look more fishy | ||
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Messi
United States212 Posts
I will justify this thread with correct respond. Let Bibiane and Rush to show their faces on stream, and see them play. Then, analyze replay with program that used. The court is over. | ||
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bizzyT
Afghanistan11 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:05 KenNage wrote: so? if that's true that only says they are both real, it doesn't stop them to play in the others one account. From my point of view the thing seems fishy, maybe they are not the same person, but Game and Eywa- arguing about it asking to close the thread make the whole thing look more fishy lol it was just to clear up the confusion cuz some ppl thot i know bibi and rush irl nothing to do with this case | ||
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