TvP Lategame comment from Blizzard - Page 28

On May 04 2012 23:37 Fencer710 wrote:

TvP is balanced, but it's not dynamic at all. It goes like this: T<P first 0-7 minutes because of cannon rush, 4gate, 3gate void, etc.

T>P 8-12 minutes because of 1-1-1, marine/marauder/medivac timing, and capitalizing on any advantage Terran got from earlier on against pressure.

T<P from 13 minutes until Terran gets enough vikings to nullify Colossus and enough Ghosts to nullify Templar and EMP the crap out of everything Protoss, at which point, T>P simply because of the amount of stuff Terran can abuse to his advantage such as nukes, PF's, and macro orbitals.

This has some holes in it such as 2 barracks pressure which puts you in a much differnet spot, as well as extremely fast barracks and hellion rushes, but this is a general idea of what goes on in TvP.

On May 05 2012 00:13 Kare wrote:
Who says Terran is stronger then Protoss in the mid game? I think protoss is pretty damn good during the entire game in a PvT.

On May 04 2012 23:35 Ccx55 wrote:


Game design != balance
Balance = game design
Yes, I speak game design. I speak specifically about balance within game design. They are not separate, balance is only a sub-category.

And I'm not talking about specific strategies, as you should be well aware of. I get the feeling you're starting to desperately scramble for counter-arguments, seeing as how there aren't many left.
An "early game" strategy from protoss such as zealot rush or 4gate is definitely not viable vs a terran who wants to put pressure on.
A "mid game" strategy such as 3 gate robo or zealot-archon will not work either vs a 3rax or 2rax pressure. The only hope you have is for the terran to make mistakes.
A "late game" strategy such as 1-gate expand is much more viable, and the protoss cannot lose if the first attack is defended succesfully.

See, don't see the strategies as individual "5 nexus FE", but rather as mid, early or late strategies. One race should not have the advantage over any other race in this sense. A race does not have to gain advantage in order to be diverse. Blizzard should understand this. I'm not calling this an easy fix. I'm saying it was stupid of Blizzard to construct the game like this in the first place without much thought process behind it.

On May 05 2012 00:44 R3DT1D3 wrote:
In other words, Terran has to learn how to be super aggressive and win or get a large advantage before lategame. Meanwhile in Protoss-ville, all you have to do is defend properly. Yeah sounds pretty balanced. Let's just pretending pressuring and harassing without overdoing it and keeping up with upgrades is as easy for Terran as it is to sit in your base and use sentries/HT to deny pressure.

On May 05 2012 00:49 SolidSMD wrote:
I really like blizzards stance on this, PvZ has just the same scenario, if you don't put enough pressure on the zerg in the early/midgame they just go 200/200 roach and crush you, same goes for terran, if you go for the mobile army you shouldn't expect to just own a slow strong army in the lategame, that doesn't make any sense. Terrans are spoiled by their early game potential and don't face the fact that they should transition into something like biomech endgame, it wont be easy, but has a huge potential, i'm pretty sure, terrans tend to have a huge surplus of gas in endgame anyway.