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On May 02 2012 10:51 TheRealArtemis wrote:
This is so funny.
There are so many things wrong with this community, but the one thats actually the worst, and hurts the scene the most are people like the OP. People like him are such prudes, its unbelievable. I wouldnt be surprised if Warden the hypocrite actually went ahead and sent angry emails to the sponsors. Hurting everybody, not only Destiny.f
If people wanna find reasons to hate on destiny and BM him, send him a frikin PM or call him on skype, this shit is getting outta hand. So what he called you a gook. You called somebody a cancer dog, way to be a good example you hypocrite.
Just like all the other threads, this is clearly some guy felling so offended that he needs revenge. I can see destiny got banned? what about warden? He isnt any better after people found out he actually BM people just as bad. He's a whiney hater with an agende to get destiny punished for something trivial. I've been called nigger and cracker and pretty much everything there is, and I dont go out on some crusade. So what he's a public figure. Doesnt mean that his freedom of speach should be limited.
Just because OP shit talked to someone means all of his argument must be false and this thread should be deleted! Fuck off, and stop using ad hominem fallacy. Being a public figure doesn't mean your freedom of "speach" is limited. You can say whatever you want, but saying something that the majority considers wrong WILL tarnish your reputation/stance.
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lol at people saying people need to get over racial slur
It's off limit for reason you will never get it unless you are the minority. why do you think people get fired on the spot in most professional setting? because they are babies and you are the real man who can deal with feelings being hurt?
wake the f up.
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On May 02 2012 10:52 lowreezy08 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 10:50 pt wrote:On May 02 2012 10:47 lowreezy08 wrote:
it's funny how you destiny nut riders act like he hasn't done anything wrong, please any of you kids come around where I live and say racist shit (thinking you aren't using it in bad context) see what happens, I mean my best friends are black and not once do I say anything racist near them or away from them. Please you illogical in denial kids hide behind you monitor all you want, but know that your ass would get beat or even worse around here. the internet isn't your hood. sorry. no but come to KC MO and say that shit, I'm sure you would have a fabulous vacation.
So you know, implying that its wrong simply because your friends would beat him up is a very bad argument.
It's "wrong" for multiple reasons... and honestly, if your friends beat someone up because they said something racist, your friends are pathetic human beings.
A real, thinking human, would simply call them ignorant, or ignore them, or attempt to educate them.
But to beat him? You're likely just causing him to become more racist.
Think.
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This is basically how Destiny has been talking since forever, it's really nothing new. Obviously Quantic knew that this was his personality so I don't understand why you want us to complain to his team and sponsor.
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On May 02 2012 10:53 Bulldog654 wrote:
Dear Destiny,
I remain, as ever, your fan. Please continue standing up for yourself.
To the people that are upset by Destiny's language:
If you are not gay, you have no reason to be offended by someone using the word "faggot."
If you are not Vietnamese or Korean, you have no reason to be offended by the word "gook"
You have no place to tell people what they're allowed to take offense to.
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On May 02 2012 10:56 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 10:52 lowreezy08 wrote:On May 02 2012 10:50 pt wrote:On May 02 2012 10:47 lowreezy08 wrote:
it's funny how you destiny nut riders act like he hasn't done anything wrong, please any of you kids come around where I live and say racist shit (thinking you aren't using it in bad context) see what happens, I mean my best friends are black and not once do I say anything racist near them or away from them. Please you illogical in denial kids hide behind you monitor all you want, but know that your ass would get beat or even worse around here. the internet isn't your hood. sorry. no but come to KC MO and say that shit, I'm sure you would have a fabulous vacation. So you know, implying that its wrong simply because your friends would beat him up is a very bad argument. It's "wrong" for multiple reasons... and honestly, if your friends beat someone up because they said something racist, your friends are pathetic human beings. A real, thinking human, would simply call them ignorant, or ignore them, or attempt to educate them. But to beat him? You're likely just causing him to become more racist. Think.
obviously he's not very bright. there's no nice way to say it. "come to my city and you'll get your ass beat if you say racist shit" has nothing to do with anything that is discussed here.
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On May 02 2012 10:57 Sosweets wrote:
This is basically how Destiny has been talking since forever, it's really nothing new. Obviously Quantic knew that this was his personality so I don't understand why you want us to complain to his team and sponsor.
complexity did.
Edit: and people just are lazy until it is shoved in their face
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He's way too big to die. I do not think any kind of action taken against him will go very far.
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On May 02 2012 10:48 defteH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 10:39 ant-1 wrote:
Destiny is a trash-talk radio host that happen to play SC2. That was constructive, wasn't it? I think right or wrong he is entitled to do as he pleases on his stream. I'm not condoning it, but honestly to get offended by what somebody calls you on a video game seems a tad melodramatic, racist or otherwise. I understand (as a white male, FWIW) that I'll never fully understand the point of view of someone on the receiving end of racial abuse but by reacting to it, it gives the word or terminology more weight than it should.
... So if I were paid by sponsors to play sc2 and on my stream I was talking about Jews, black people, the Nazis etc etc its not important? Content is important.
More weight by reacting to it? That makes no sense whatsoever. It's the words that cause the reaction, not the other way around.
If this were being shown on skysports or bbc, would it be acceptable? No.
Do the companies involved care about what professional image they are affiliated with? Yes.
Yes, he may be popular, but that doesn't give him a lease to do anything he wants.
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On May 02 2012 10:53 Bulldog654 wrote:
Dear Destiny,
I remain, as ever, your fan. Please continue standing up for yourself.
To the people that are upset by Destiny's language:
If you are not gay, you have no reason to be offended by someone using the word "faggot."
If you are not Vietnamese or Korean, you have no reason to be offended by the word "gook"
If you are gay, but you aren't the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, you have no reason to be offended.
If you are Vietnamese or Korean, but you aren't the person Destiny directed this "slur" to, you have no reason to be offended.
If you are gay, and you are also the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, I regret to inform you that being gay does not grant you immunity from having your feelings hurt. Whatever injustices that gay people may have suffered from the beginning of man all the way to today do not transfer to you. Whatever injustices that you as a gay person may have suffered from the beginning of your life to today were not perpetrated on you by Destiny, and so have no bearing whatsoever. In addition, being gay does not automatically mean that anyone else in the whole entire world has to give a damn about you or your feelings.
If you are Vietnamese or Korean, and you are also the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, I regret to inform you that being Vietnamese or Korean does not grant you immunity from having your feelings hurt. Whatever injustices that Vietnamese or Korean people may have suffered from the beginning of man all the way to today do not transfer to you. Whatever injustices that you as a Vietnamese or Korean person may have suffered from the beginning of your life to today were not perpetrated by Destiny, and so have no bearing whatsoever. In addition, being Vietnamese or Korean does not mean that anyone else in the whole entire world has to give a damn about you or your feelings.
If you are not gay, and are also not Vietnamese or Korean, then basically you tattled on someone. You were not and indeed could not possibly been hurt by his use of the word "faggot," and you were not and could not possibly have been hurt by his use of the word "gook," since you are neither gay nor are you Vietnamese or Korean.
Nobody has a right to not be offended. A person that intends to insult another will use whatever tool they can, whether its calling someone fat, gay, stupid, ginger, short, ugly, or any word that refers to ones gender or race or lineage.
I do not accept that the pain of past injustices suffered by any people somehow transfer onto people that have not faced those same injustices, and no, i do not believe that being called any name is even in the same ballpark as the actual, real suffering faced by peoples of all races at different times throughout history.
I believe every human being, just by virtue of its existence, deserves to be treated with respect and dignity, and if I could see any evidence that the OP was actually harmed by this then i would take a different stance, but from what i have seen there is nothing to make me believe that any harm was actually done.
And before anyone brings it up, no, i do not accept that words cause harm. If Destiny had called him a gook or faggot and then began encouraging people to commit acts of violence then it would be a different story. The OP was called names that have no more weight than any other insult, and as far as i can see it, he tattled on Destiny for it.
The op uses the exact same words as Destiny
DaeHanMinGuk » wtf is this shit
[01:31] DaeHanMinGuk » Only zergs tonight
[01:50] Crentist » i have been getting fags all night
[01:54] Crentist » huh!
[02:01] DaeHanMinGuk » I know protoss is fag-like
[02:27] DaeHanMinGuk » Meh fucking shit evening
[04:40] DaeHanMinGuk » piss off
[07:44] DaeHanMinGuk » Fucking cancerdog
For Christ sake people.Two bm-ers meet and one decides to paint himself like an angel to ban the other out of revenge.This is nothing different than combatex making a video of incontrol yelling at him and then starting sending messages to eg sponsors.
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This week in Starcraft 2.... over-sensitivity sweeps the nation!
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On May 02 2012 02:14 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:01 ScienceRob wrote:@ Destiny: Since when has publicly endorsing certain words served to further racism? I recommend a book: The rise and fall of the third Reich. The public endorsment of racial slurs has in fact caused the deaths of many millions(beyond the Nazi), in fact it is hard to not be aware of it. Ah, damn. If they would have just not used racial slurs, concentration camps would have never existed!
using these words in a negative fashion (like you do), especially when it gets normal (like you want it to be) has an effect on how certain groups will get viewed.
and this can lead to more serious consequences.
doesn't matter if you think it's stupid and not your intention.
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Okay first off Warden is a scumbag for posting this, if he was "offended" by what Destiny said he should have taken up and tried to resolve the issue with Destiny/Quantic personally before going around instigating this mob type behavior, but i suspect he doesn't really care and is just trying to damage Destiny's career.
Second I would like to reiterate the fact that Destiny has acted like this for a long time, not to defend his actions but to ask why all of you mailing sponsers and such didn't do so right after Quantic signed Destiny in the first place?
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Please do not write e-mails to sponsors in any negative way. You are pulling sponsors away from e-sports, not just quantic. Incontrol just mentioned on Inside the Game that he has seen first hand how these e-mails hurt our community. Do as you will, but these emails will do more hurt than good.
I just sent an e-mail to Razer expressing my adoration in supporting e-sports. These are the kind of e-mails we need, not the former.
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On May 02 2012 10:58 hooberschmit wrote:
This week in Starcraft 2.... over-sensitivity sweeps the nation!
i know.
let's call every black person N now.
because they should get over it. /sarcasm
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On May 02 2012 10:57 ShallNoiseUpon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 10:53 Bulldog654 wrote:
Dear Destiny,
I remain, as ever, your fan. Please continue standing up for yourself.
To the people that are upset by Destiny's language:
If you are not gay, you have no reason to be offended by someone using the word "faggot."
If you are not Vietnamese or Korean, you have no reason to be offended by the word "gook"
You have no place to tell people what they're allowed to take offense to.
Sure, I can accept that, my post wasn't a matter of law, it was a matter of opinion, which is what I thought forums were for, exchanging opinions. I was simply stating that I have no sympathy for people that weren't actually harmed in any way, which would be every single person posting in this thread, with the possible exception of the OP. I then laid out the circumstances in which I would be sympathetic to the OP, that would lend weight to his complaint in my opinion.
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My opinion is that it is okay what he did. I feel destiny is right to say that using these words in the correct context is okay. However this sight is run by members who may have a different opinion and destiny needs to respect that if he wants to post on tl
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On May 02 2012 10:47 dyi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 10:44 Wortie wrote:
This thread is full of people like these:
"I don't watch Destiny's stream, because I don't like him. In that way I don't support him by not watching."
"Oh look, a thread about Destiny using racial slurs. Let's have a look."
"I fully agree with the OP and since I hate Destiny already and since I totally want to ruin him because he insulted someone on the internet, I will go email his sponsors. So they don't give him money either."
I seriously don't understand, why you people care so much. Why don't you just stick with your own fucking life. Don't try to impose your will on someone so much. I'ts like you want to control everything you don't agree with.
In all this time that I kinda follow Destiny around. I haven't seen 1 black person who said to Destiny that he was offended. The only people I see that are really making a problem of this are white people who need to feel butthurt for the black people. Apparantly you're so ashamed of what your forfathers did, that you feel that you need to protect them from harmfull words or whatever that may mean. Well you know what? I don't think there is any black person who feels offended by Destiny saying nigger on his stream. And the fact that white people think they do, makes them more racist then Destiny himself. By beiing so smallminded to think a black person can't come up for himself. It's fucking disgusting, that white people think black people are so weak, that they can't say to a white man, that he needs to shut up if he offends them. It's because white people still think they're superior and they are the only ones who can see what is right and what is wrong. And then you realize it was a Korean that got offended he got called a gook. Yeah, it's only white people that get offended. Ok.
People truly believing that only white people get offended in such cases should really try to use this vocabulary more often in the real world. For instance if you ever come down to visit the lovely city of Berlin look for the next group of Russian or Arabic looking gentlemen on a Saturday evening and just try out how healthy using it on them is going to be. For at least 9.5/10 people posting here I'd suggest to get ready to run.
But well each of those threads always remind me that this is still precarity entertainment.
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On May 02 2012 10:55 DeepElemBlues wrote:Dear Bulldog, Your arguments are arrogant, presumptuous, self-serving, ignorant, and basically a big batch of selfish assertions based on complete lack of regard for other people. Show nested quote +I believe every human being, just by virtue of its existence, deserves to be treated with respect and dignity This, after ~8 paragraphs of saying that the dignity of other people doesn't deserve to be respected "because I said so." Literally, your entire 1000 word post is nothing but the assertion "I do not accept / believe" 'you have no standing' with nothing backing it up.
I said that I believe that, and I do. As a result of this belief, I try to treat everybody with respect and dignity, but that is a standard to which I hold myself, why is that difficult to understand?
Also, I didn't say that the dignity of other people doesn't deserve to be respected "because I said so," I don't even know where you got that from.
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HEY its cool to see people exercise logical reasoning and all, but does anyone ACTUALLY have a real problem with this situation?
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