EPTRacial Slurs in QuanticDestiny's Stream - Page 137
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TheLOLas
United States646 Posts
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Son of Gnome
United States777 Posts
On May 02 2012 10:56 Govou wrote: lol at people saying people need to get over racial slur It's off limit for reason you will never get it unless you are the minority. why do you think people get fired on the spot in most professional setting? because they are babies and you are the real man who can deal with feelings being hurt? wake the f up. Ok I am a minority I have never been called a "gook" or whatever he said. I have been called names that people would consider to be very offensive. So why don't I get it? | ||
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Dyme
Germany523 Posts
But I can't help to feel like extensive use of stupid words 'defuses' them. Like when I hear 'nigger' I think of rap music and it sounds like 'bro' to me. If I called someone 'bastard' I wouldn't even think a split second of 'illegitimate children'. Then again, I am not English and its words all seem less powerful and unemotional to me. | ||
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Ripper41
284 Posts
On May 02 2012 11:00 Govou wrote: i know. let's call every black person N now. because they should get over it. /sarcasm I know. let's get everyone fired for using foul language because words hurt. /sarcasm | ||
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TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
On May 02 2012 10:56 dyi wrote: Just because OP shit talked to someone means all of his argument must be false and this thread should be deleted! Fuck off, and stop using ad hominem fallacy. Being a public figure doesn't mean your freedom of "speach" is limited. You can say whatever you want, but saying something that the majority considers wrong WILL tarnish your reputation/stance. Then what other reason has he to make this thread? Why didnt he just talk to destiny in person? Destiny accept any skype caller. He could have settled this in a more grown up way, but he decided to be douche and trying to ruin as much of destiny life as possible. And yes, because Warden is a hypocrite, his argument DOES FALL TO THE GROUND! You cant go out and say, destiny is a shitty racist and uses so foul language. And then call somebody a fucker and cancer dog. Him being the hypocrite that he is, tells that he isnt interested in cleaning up the community, but to get revenge and damage destiny as much as possible. And yes, if destiny says shit it will come and bite him in the ass. But guess what?! He makes that decision on his own! He knows what he's doing, and saying at all time. | ||
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
My opinion on this, is that quantic can do whatever they want with destiny, though they're probably not going to do anything about this. The first - and only - time I turned on Destiny's stream, he was swearing up a storm. Quantic got him regardless of that. It's their choice. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On May 02 2012 11:05 Son of Gnome wrote: Ok I am a minority I have never been called a "gook" or whatever he said. I have been called names that people would consider to be very offensive. So why don't I get it? Try it next time on your job. Try next time when you are in public place. or try using them in any other forum. you will get it. | ||
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
On May 02 2012 10:53 Bulldog654 wrote: Dear Destiny, I remain, as ever, your fan. Please continue standing up for yourself. To the people that are upset by Destiny's language: If you are not gay, you have no reason to be offended by someone using the word "faggot." If you are not Vietnamese or Korean, you have no reason to be offended by the word "gook" If you are gay, but you aren't the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, you have no reason to be offended. If you are Vietnamese or Korean, but you aren't the person Destiny directed this "slur" to, you have no reason to be offended. If you are gay, and you are also the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, I regret to inform you that being gay does not grant you immunity from having your feelings hurt. Whatever injustices that gay people may have suffered from the beginning of man all the way to today do not transfer to you. Whatever injustices that you as a gay person may have suffered from the beginning of your life to today were not perpetrated on you by Destiny, and so have no bearing whatsoever. In addition, being gay does not automatically mean that anyone else in the whole entire world has to give a damn about you or your feelings. If you are Vietnamese or Korean, and you are also the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, I regret to inform you that being Vietnamese or Korean does not grant you immunity from having your feelings hurt. Whatever injustices that Vietnamese or Korean people may have suffered from the beginning of man all the way to today do not transfer to you. Whatever injustices that you as a Vietnamese or Korean person may have suffered from the beginning of your life to today were not perpetrated by Destiny, and so have no bearing whatsoever. In addition, being Vietnamese or Korean does not mean that anyone else in the whole entire world has to give a damn about you or your feelings. If you are not gay, and are also not Vietnamese or Korean, then basically you tattled on someone. You were not and indeed could not possibly been hurt by his use of the word "faggot," and you were not and could not possibly have been hurt by his use of the word "gook," since you are neither gay nor are you Vietnamese or Korean. Nobody has a right to not be offended. A person that intends to insult another will use whatever tool they can, whether its calling someone fat, gay, stupid, ginger, short, ugly, or any word that refers to ones gender or race or lineage. I do not accept that the pain of past injustices suffered by any people somehow transfer onto people that have not faced those same injustices, and no, i do not believe that being called any name is even in the same ballpark as the actual, real suffering faced by peoples of all races at different times throughout history. I believe every human being, just by virtue of its existence, deserves to be treated with respect and dignity, and if I could see any evidence that the OP was actually harmed by this then i would take a different stance, but from what i have seen there is nothing to make me believe that any harm was actually done. And before anyone brings it up, no, i do not accept that words cause harm. If Destiny had called him a gook or faggot and then began encouraging people to commit acts of violence then it would be a different story. The OP was called names that have no more weight than any other insult, and as far as i can see it, he tattled on Destiny for it. Who are you again? So now people can't have a right to be offended? If you have the right to be offensive I sure as hell should have the right to he offended. It's really cute how you talk about racism like its a thing of the past, like for some reason our ancestors have a right to be offended when insulted because of their race and we don't. The idea that words are just words baffles me. Words are how we communicate, we won't have nothing without a medium to express thought. Words are used to express anger, love, joy. Words are supposed to invoke an emotional response. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
original article-- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334014#13 Community Feedback (first 2 paragraphs from above article): + Show Spoiler + Yes. This is actually to address the community at large, for the mistakes that 'You All Make, I Make, He Makes, and She Makes'. We as a community lately have been sucking. Very much. First, we need to stop our bashing. Our Caster Bashing, Our Player Bashing, Our Tourney Bashing, etc. We have just become one giant lynch mob, and I don't get it. We are going out of our way to potentially cause major issues to people's life. We are taking the 'rage moments' when a person loses and trying to use that to justify ruining a persons career, calling them rasicst, among other things. Some people rage overly bad, especially when they are alone in front of a computer. Just because they get mad, and BM you, possibly even using racist words. Doesn't make them a BM Racist in real life. And doesn't mean they should be lynched. Orb as an example, already had a reputation of being a great caster, and was up and coming, and we knew he was good at what he did and didn't BM/Racist/Do bad shit during his casts. Yet we chose randomly to lynch him for his ladder rage and set him back in his career by many months id imagine. Now Destiny is the same way, in the moment of the loss, he rages, and the pitchforks are brought out. I'm not saying either Orb or Destiny are in the right, but they shouldn't be judged based off Rage at the end of a match. It doesn't make them BM, and doesn't make them Racist. Now apart from us needing to slow down on how fast were grabbing the pitchforks. We also need to take note of the best way to go about 'retribution' for want of a better word. In both of the situations I'm using as examples so far, Orb and Destiny, fans have emailed the sponsors. This is not a correct step, I understand the reasoning behind why you would, but this can 'hurt esports' in the long run. The reason I say this is because going to the Sponsors can cause 2 issues: Sponsors will lose interest in SC2 if they receive thousands of letters every time a player makes a mistake. Sponsors getting angry causes teams to over punish to make the sponsor happy. We also need to realize that these players don't represent their team/sponsor 24/7. They are representing themselves at times on occasion, it may not be often, but it does happen. They are allowed to be human. Just because I work a salary job at an IT place, doesn't mean my company is gonna get angry that i went drinking on my day off and had a 1 night stand. Any issues with a player/caster associated with a Team, should always be taken up with the Team first, if the Team cannot or will not fix the situation (sometimes its not a situation either), then go to the Sponsors. Sponsors should be last imo. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On May 02 2012 11:06 Ripper41 wrote: I know. let's get everyone fired for using foul language because words hurt. /sarcasm yeah stupid real world why do they fire these people using a hint of racial slurs? it's ONLY a foul language. clearly they are stupid /sarcasm | ||
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Ripper41
284 Posts
On May 02 2012 11:07 lisward wrote: Who are you again? So now people can't have a right to be offended? If you have the right to be offensive I sure as hell should have the right to he offended. It's really cute how you talk about racism like its a thing of the past, like for some reason our ancestors have a right to be offended when insulted because of their race and we don't. The idea that words are just words baffles me. Words are how we communicate, we won't have nothing without a medium to express thought. Words are used to express anger, love, joy. Words are supposed to invoke an emotional response. You have a right to be offended. But if you're offended that's your problem. If you don't like Destiny, TURN THE FUCKING STREAM OFF. This site shouldn't be bending over backwards just to make sure every sensitive yet sadistic prick gets their fucking way. User was warned for this post | ||
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Blurbs
Sweden12 Posts
Why "ban" words when you can look at what they mean in that exact sentence... In Destinys case its clearly just a matter of rage and bm. Idra have said a lot worse things than "Gook" yet people have stopped trying to witch hunt him a long time ago. Idra have said that word that can be connected to offending homosexuals for like the past 4000 years give or take. "Faggot" is a much more "loaded" word (since the crimes against homosexuals have been far and beyond the crimes against blacks or asians as soon as you look outside of the US)and should ALWAYS be considered the word to avoid most of all. If you want to avoid using any word at all that is. | ||
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Hallucination
United States249 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On May 02 2012 11:10 Ripper41 wrote: You have a right to be offended. But if you're offended that's your problem. If you don't like Destiny, TURN THE FUCKING STREAM OFF. This site shouldn't be bending over backwards just to make sure every sensitive yet sadistic prick gets their fucking way. he wasnt watching the stream. he was playing with him. | ||
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Ascended
2 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3340656/1/DaeHanMinGuk/ That b.net account is what you get when you go through the link that everyone is talking about of the chat log.That person that is talking in that log plays protoss not terran. The op plays terran and has for a while and the b.net account his gold and the op is na grand master. Do people not follow through on anything anymore? | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On May 02 2012 11:10 Ripper41 wrote: You have a right to be offended. But if you're offended that's your problem. If you don't like Destiny, TURN THE FUCKING STREAM OFF. This site shouldn't be bending over backwards just to make sure every sensitive yet sadistic prick gets their fucking way. this sites should harbour more racial slurs if you dont like it, it's your problem and you should get the hell out of here! /sarcasm | ||
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aRRoSC2
Denmark241 Posts
On May 02 2012 11:07 lisward wrote: Who are you again? So now people can't have a right to be offended? If you have the right to be offensive I sure as hell should have the right to he offended. It's really cute how you talk about racism like its a thing of the past, like for some reason our ancestors have a right to be offended when insulted because of their race and we don't. The idea that words are just words baffles me. Words are how we communicate, we won't have nothing without a medium to express thought. Words are used to express anger, love, joy. Words are supposed to invoke an emotional response. your reading comprehension is so fucking terrible it's a wonder how you managed to type out anything on the keyboard User was warned for this post | ||
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Son of Gnome
United States777 Posts
On May 02 2012 11:07 Govou wrote: Try it next time on your job. Try next time when you are in public place. or try using them in any other forum. you will get it. I know I would get in trouble at work but that is not the point I am trying to make... I want you to explain to me why I and so many of my minority friends don't get the "it" you speaking over and hwy we don't care if words that are "off limits" as you called them are used when they are used to discriminate against people of our collective races. | ||
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Ripper41
284 Posts
On May 02 2012 11:08 Govou wrote: yeah stupid real world why do they fire these people using a hint of racial slurs? it's ONLY a foul language. clearly they are stupid /sarcasm He's not fired. You're trying to get him fired for using foul language. I wonder who's the bigger asshole, you or him? | ||
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Man with a Plan
United States401 Posts
On May 02 2012 11:06 Fencer710 wrote: 137 pages and this thread was just started yesterday. >.> My opinion on this, is that quantic can do whatever they want with destiny, though they're probably not going to do anything about this. The first - and only - time I turned on Destiny's stream, he was swearing up a storm. Quantic got him regardless of that. It's their choice. Yeah, and it was barely at 20s when I went to school a couple of hours ago. Destiny threads seems to always be fast moving. I think it is between Quantic and Destiny really. | ||
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