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-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
May 02 2012 02:12 GMT
#2741
IMO this thread should be closed, it's just person after person either saying "wow everyone in this community is so lame derp ur all prude" or "wait this is actual racism" etc etc and so on

So let's move on. Destiny has been BMing a lot recently (he was even BMing established, good players like coLGanzi on his stream). Hopefully he can learn from this, and at least attempt to refrain from the racist/ constant BM in the future. He needs to realize a majority of his viewers indeed like his personality, but would prefer an established figure in SC2 not to call a Korean a Gook. Would you have said that word when you were at the Startale house destiny? No, stop hiding behind your monitor and lose your ego, at least a little bit.
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
May 02 2012 02:12 GMT
#2742
Thank heavens in my country you get arrested for insulting a person's race or religion.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
May 02 2012 02:13 GMT
#2743
On May 02 2012 11:11 Ripper41 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 11:08 Govou wrote:
On May 02 2012 11:06 Ripper41 wrote:
On May 02 2012 11:00 Govou wrote:
On May 02 2012 10:58 hooberschmit wrote:
This week in Starcraft 2.... over-sensitivity sweeps the nation!


i know.

let's call every black person N now.

because they should get over it. /sarcasm

I know.

let's get everyone fired for using foul language

because words hurt. /sarcasm


yeah stupid real world

why do they fire these people using a hint of racial slurs? it's ONLY a foul language. clearly they are stupid /sarcasm

He's not fired. You're trying to get him fired for using foul language. I wonder who's the bigger asshole, you or him?


I was trying to get him fired? news to me.

why do you sound like you are upset? and why are you calling me an asshole? can I call you an asshole too?
TitleRug
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States651 Posts
May 02 2012 02:14 GMT
#2744
On May 02 2012 11:11 Ascended wrote:
http://www.sctemple.com/replay/165934/#Chat

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3340656/1/DaeHanMinGuk/


That b.net account is what you get when you go through the link that everyone is talking about of the chat log.That person that is talking in that log plays protoss not terran. The op plays terran and has for a while and the b.net account his gold and the op is na grand master. Do people not follow through on anything anymore?


Ok I thought that type of bad manner talk did not sound like Warden at all. Being someone who has watched his stream for hours, I'm glad to see that all of the allegations against him were false.
coLCruncher fighting!
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
May 02 2012 02:14 GMT
#2745
On May 02 2012 11:11 Ascended wrote:
http://www.sctemple.com/replay/165934/#Chat

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3340656/1/DaeHanMinGuk/


That b.net account is what you get when you go through the link that everyone is talking about of the chat log.That person that is talking in that log plays protoss not terran. The op plays terran and has for a while and the b.net account his gold and the op is na grand master. Do people not follow through on anything anymore?


His average APM for that game was 62, lol. I don't know which version of APM that site uses, but that's pretty low for GM Terran regardless. Or Sjow me otherwise.
Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 02:16:39
May 02 2012 02:15 GMT
#2746
On May 02 2012 11:11 Son of Gnome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 11:07 Govou wrote:
On May 02 2012 11:05 Son of Gnome wrote:
On May 02 2012 10:56 Govou wrote:
lol at people saying people need to get over racial slur

It's off limit for reason you will never get it unless you are the minority. why do you think people get fired on the spot in most professional setting? because they are babies and you are the real man who can deal with feelings being hurt?

wake the f up.

Ok I am a minority I have never been called a "gook" or whatever he said. I have been called names that people would consider to be very offensive. So why don't I get it?


Try it next time on your job. Try next time when you are in public place.

or try using them in any other forum.

you will get it.

I know I would get in trouble at work but that is not the point I am trying to make... I want you to explain to me why I and so many of my minority friends don't get the "it" you speaking over and hwy we don't care if words that are "off limits" as you called them are used when they are used to discriminate against people of our collective races.


well I could but I am not sure if my english is good enough.

Next time you see a black dude, try asking why calling him a nigger is a bad thing. He might have a better answer.

dont forget to preach him that he should get over it. because you clearly can
Picklebread
Profile Joined June 2011
808 Posts
May 02 2012 02:17 GMT
#2747
On May 02 2012 11:14 Ansinjunger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 11:11 Ascended wrote:
http://www.sctemple.com/replay/165934/#Chat

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3340656/1/DaeHanMinGuk/


That b.net account is what you get when you go through the link that everyone is talking about of the chat log.That person that is talking in that log plays protoss not terran. The op plays terran and has for a while and the b.net account his gold and the op is na grand master. Do people not follow through on anything anymore?


His average APM for that game was 62, lol. I don't know which version of APM that site uses, but that's pretty low for GM Terran regardless. Or Sjow me otherwise.

Yea im curious this isnt neccarily the OP is it? :/
kinglemon
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany199 Posts
May 02 2012 02:17 GMT
#2748
On May 02 2012 03:18 Destiny wrote:
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On May 02 2012 03:12 Klondikebar wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:49 ThomasHobbes wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:43 Klondikebar wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:42 Gunter wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:40 Pulimuli wrote:
On May 02 2012 02:36 latan wrote:
How dare Destiny do something with his free will and free speech that doesn't harm anyone and might offend someone that's not even me?


you have no idea what freedom of speech means do you?

It does not mean you can go around calling people faggots and niggers left and right

yes it does


No it doesn't. You're not allowed to use speech to marginalize others. Freedom of Speech is to protect well formed arguments and ideas, it has no obligation to give a platform to nonsensical hatred and bigotry.


I thought you were going to make a sensible point, then I was disappointed.

Freedom of Speech actually does protect hate speech, it just doesn't protect individuals from facing social repercussion for what they say. If nobody wants to employ someone who uses racial slurs, that man just won't be employed.


It absolutely does NOT protect hate speech. In fact hate speech is a very clearly delineated exemption to that protection. I feel like there are a lot of people who didn't actually watch that video that JoJo linked.

1. It will give you a good 5 minute break from the thread which everyone probably needs.
2. It is very well thought out.


Really? It's 2012 and there are still people with ideas like this?

FYI, popular/kind speech doesn't need rules to protect it. That's ridiculous thinking. Popular speech protects itself by simply being the speech of the majority. "Freedom of speech laws" are made to protect unpopular speech.


there is a big difference between unpopular speech and stupid insult speech.

jpark4g
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States101 Posts
May 02 2012 02:18 GMT
#2749
first of all, i'm actually an avid viewer of destiny's stream and i honestly think him being him is entertainment. that's why i watch his stream and i'm sure that's why many people do as well.

however, to give my personal thoughts on this, he had this coming and i'm finally glad it its happened. i dont mind him bm'ing people who stream snipe and cheese him to disrespect him etc. but what i do mind is him bm'ing and using racial slurs against people who don't do anything except... beat him. though it may be a form of cheese, destiny bm'ing them gets out of line wayyyy to much.

i saw this especially when he played on the korea server. bm'ing people on the NA server to troll is one thing, but bm'ing people on the korea server who are actually really well mannered is so fucked up i couldn't stand it. and when i saw that, i stopped watching him stream. i really hope he realizes this and fixes his problems. don't get me wrong, i find his stream hiliarious to watch, but there's a line and he just needs to realize what he can cross and what he can't.
dyi
Profile Joined March 2012
United States19 Posts
May 02 2012 02:19 GMT
#2750
On May 02 2012 11:06 TheRealArtemis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 10:56 dyi wrote:
On May 02 2012 10:51 TheRealArtemis wrote:
This is so funny.

There are so many things wrong with this community, but the one thats actually the worst, and hurts the scene the most are people like the OP. People like him are such prudes, its unbelievable. I wouldnt be surprised if Warden the hypocrite actually went ahead and sent angry emails to the sponsors. Hurting everybody, not only Destiny.f

If people wanna find reasons to hate on destiny and BM him, send him a frikin PM or call him on skype, this shit is getting outta hand. So what he called you a gook. You called somebody a cancer dog, way to be a good example you hypocrite.

Just like all the other threads, this is clearly some guy felling so offended that he needs revenge. I can see destiny got banned? what about warden? He isnt any better after people found out he actually BM people just as bad. He's a whiney hater with an agende to get destiny punished for something trivial. I've been called nigger and cracker and pretty much everything there is, and I dont go out on some crusade. So what he's a public figure. Doesnt mean that his freedom of speach should be limited.

Just because OP shit talked to someone means all of his argument must be false and this thread should be deleted! Fuck off, and stop using ad hominem fallacy. Being a public figure doesn't mean your freedom of "speach" is limited. You can say whatever you want, but saying something that the majority considers wrong WILL tarnish your reputation/stance.


Then what other reason has he to make this thread? Why didnt he just talk to destiny in person? Destiny accept any skype caller. He could have settled this in a more grown up way, but he decided to be douche and trying to ruin as much of destiny life as possible. And yes, because Warden is a hypocrite, his argument DOES FALL TO THE GROUND! You cant go out and say, destiny is a shitty racist and uses so foul language. And then call somebody a fucker and cancer dog.

Him being the hypocrite that he is, tells that he isnt interested in cleaning up the community, but to get revenge and damage destiny as much as possible. And yes, if destiny says shit it will come and bite him in the ass. But guess what?! He makes that decision on his own! He knows what he's doing, and saying at all time.

Calling Destiny won't do anything; you and I both know that.

Being a hypocrite doesn't mean his statements are false. Tu quoque fallacy; read about it.
Ascended
Profile Joined May 2012
2 Posts
May 02 2012 02:19 GMT
#2751
The chat that people are posting with that link in it is not of the op it is someone else. If you follow that link to b.net it gives a gold level protoss.
cameler
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada99 Posts
May 02 2012 02:19 GMT
#2752
Destiny got his cake already, everything nowadays is moot.

His mindset is; If you don't like my stream, ef off and don't watch it, good advice for all peoples.
Everyday I thank God I escaped from the Starcraft universe when I did. Saved so many hours of my life.
Blurbs
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden12 Posts
May 02 2012 02:20 GMT
#2753



Are you seriously incapable of drawing a distinction between 'bad manner', the equivalent of not fucking GG'ing in a stupid video game, and using racist fucking words. How the fuck do you even breathe

User was warned for this post



What words are racist? Can anyone please make it clear witch words are racist because AFAIK there is no such thing as a "racist word".
Is faggot a homophobic word? Is Sun a word that should not be said because of the 16 year old guy hanging on TL who lost his father to skin cancer could be reminded of his fathers death?
I just think its an unclear thing to say and should not be considered "bad" if it is said without context. You can't get angry at people if haven't made it clear that you have a special need that he needs to censor his language. If he choses not to then you Ignore him in game and problem is no more.

Use the ignore function and don't put things out of context please.
Bulldog654
Profile Joined September 2011
United States79 Posts
May 02 2012 02:20 GMT
#2754
On May 02 2012 11:11 Govou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 11:10 Ripper41 wrote:
On May 02 2012 11:07 lisward wrote:
On May 02 2012 10:53 Bulldog654 wrote:
Dear Destiny,

I remain, as ever, your fan. Please continue standing up for yourself.

To the people that are upset by Destiny's language:

If you are not gay, you have no reason to be offended by someone using the word "faggot."
If you are not Vietnamese or Korean, you have no reason to be offended by the word "gook"

If you are gay, but you aren't the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, you have no reason to be offended.
If you are Vietnamese or Korean, but you aren't the person Destiny directed this "slur" to, you have no reason to be offended.

If you are gay, and you are also the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, I regret to inform you that being gay does not grant you immunity from having your feelings hurt. Whatever injustices that gay people may have suffered from the beginning of man all the way to today do not transfer to you. Whatever injustices that you as a gay person may have suffered from the beginning of your life to today were not perpetrated on you by Destiny, and so have no bearing whatsoever. In addition, being gay does not automatically mean that anyone else in the whole entire world has to give a damn about you or your feelings.

If you are Vietnamese or Korean, and you are also the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, I regret to inform you that being Vietnamese or Korean does not grant you immunity from having your feelings hurt. Whatever injustices that Vietnamese or Korean people may have suffered from the beginning of man all the way to today do not transfer to you. Whatever injustices that you as a Vietnamese or Korean person may have suffered from the beginning of your life to today were not perpetrated by Destiny, and so have no bearing whatsoever. In addition, being Vietnamese or Korean does not mean that anyone else in the whole entire world has to give a damn about you or your feelings.

If you are not gay, and are also not Vietnamese or Korean, then basically you tattled on someone. You were not and indeed could not possibly been hurt by his use of the word "faggot," and you were not and could not possibly have been hurt by his use of the word "gook," since you are neither gay nor are you Vietnamese or Korean.

Nobody has a right to not be offended. A person that intends to insult another will use whatever tool they can, whether its calling someone fat, gay, stupid, ginger, short, ugly, or any word that refers to ones gender or race or lineage.

I do not accept that the pain of past injustices suffered by any people somehow transfer onto people that have not faced those same injustices, and no, i do not believe that being called any name is even in the same ballpark as the actual, real suffering faced by peoples of all races at different times throughout history.

I believe every human being, just by virtue of its existence, deserves to be treated with respect and dignity, and if I could see any evidence that the OP was actually harmed by this then i would take a different stance, but from what i have seen there is nothing to make me believe that any harm was actually done.

And before anyone brings it up, no, i do not accept that words cause harm. If Destiny had called him a gook or faggot and then began encouraging people to commit acts of violence then it would be a different story. The OP was called names that have no more weight than any other insult, and as far as i can see it, he tattled on Destiny for it.

Who are you again? So now people can't have a right to be offended? If you have the right to be offensive I sure as hell should have the right to he offended. It's really cute how you talk about racism like its a thing of the past, like for some reason our ancestors have a right to be offended when insulted because of their race and we don't.

The idea that words are just words baffles me. Words are how we communicate, we won't have nothing without a medium to express thought. Words are used to express anger, love, joy. Words are supposed to invoke an emotional response.

You have a right to be offended. But if you're offended that's your problem. If you don't like Destiny, TURN THE FUCKING STREAM OFF. This site shouldn't be bending over backwards just to make sure every sensitive yet sadistic prick gets their fucking way.


this sites should harbour more racial slurs

if you dont like it, it's your problem and you should get the hell out of here! /sarcasm



People will naturally gravitate to sites that they feel the most comfortable in, this means that there would be no reason to force this site to harbour more racial slurs, because if people want a site that harbours racial slurs they will find one, and everyone can have what they want. If this site did start harbouring more racial slurs, and if you didn't like it, then yes, it would be your problem and you should get the hell out of here to a site where you'd be happier, which incidentally is exactly what people should do if they are offended by Destiny's stream. He isn't the only zerg streamer.
w33dOr
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany126 Posts
May 02 2012 02:20 GMT
#2755
I am a huge destiny fan and stream viewer from the start and do enjoy a lot of little bm he pulls off which is funny or creative.
I still think that he sometimes crosses the line regarding comments or bm which comes over racist.
Of cause its hard to find the right line regarding those statements as a streamer and community member and i am not saying that I think that destiny himself is a racist or a bad person.
From my point of view you just shouldn't say those kind of things regardless if you are a streamer, player, caster or whatever!
Blurbs
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden12 Posts
May 02 2012 02:21 GMT
#2756
On May 02 2012 11:11 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 11:10 Ripper41 wrote:
On May 02 2012 11:07 lisward wrote:
On May 02 2012 10:53 Bulldog654 wrote:
Dear Destiny,

I remain, as ever, your fan. Please continue standing up for yourself.

To the people that are upset by Destiny's language:

If you are not gay, you have no reason to be offended by someone using the word "faggot."
If you are not Vietnamese or Korean, you have no reason to be offended by the word "gook"

If you are gay, but you aren't the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, you have no reason to be offended.
If you are Vietnamese or Korean, but you aren't the person Destiny directed this "slur" to, you have no reason to be offended.

If you are gay, and you are also the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, I regret to inform you that being gay does not grant you immunity from having your feelings hurt. Whatever injustices that gay people may have suffered from the beginning of man all the way to today do not transfer to you. Whatever injustices that you as a gay person may have suffered from the beginning of your life to today were not perpetrated on you by Destiny, and so have no bearing whatsoever. In addition, being gay does not automatically mean that anyone else in the whole entire world has to give a damn about you or your feelings.

If you are Vietnamese or Korean, and you are also the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, I regret to inform you that being Vietnamese or Korean does not grant you immunity from having your feelings hurt. Whatever injustices that Vietnamese or Korean people may have suffered from the beginning of man all the way to today do not transfer to you. Whatever injustices that you as a Vietnamese or Korean person may have suffered from the beginning of your life to today were not perpetrated by Destiny, and so have no bearing whatsoever. In addition, being Vietnamese or Korean does not mean that anyone else in the whole entire world has to give a damn about you or your feelings.

If you are not gay, and are also not Vietnamese or Korean, then basically you tattled on someone. You were not and indeed could not possibly been hurt by his use of the word "faggot," and you were not and could not possibly have been hurt by his use of the word "gook," since you are neither gay nor are you Vietnamese or Korean.

Nobody has a right to not be offended. A person that intends to insult another will use whatever tool they can, whether its calling someone fat, gay, stupid, ginger, short, ugly, or any word that refers to ones gender or race or lineage.

I do not accept that the pain of past injustices suffered by any people somehow transfer onto people that have not faced those same injustices, and no, i do not believe that being called any name is even in the same ballpark as the actual, real suffering faced by peoples of all races at different times throughout history.

I believe every human being, just by virtue of its existence, deserves to be treated with respect and dignity, and if I could see any evidence that the OP was actually harmed by this then i would take a different stance, but from what i have seen there is nothing to make me believe that any harm was actually done.

And before anyone brings it up, no, i do not accept that words cause harm. If Destiny had called him a gook or faggot and then began encouraging people to commit acts of violence then it would be a different story. The OP was called names that have no more weight than any other insult, and as far as i can see it, he tattled on Destiny for it.

Who are you again? So now people can't have a right to be offended? If you have the right to be offensive I sure as hell should have the right to he offended. It's really cute how you talk about racism like its a thing of the past, like for some reason our ancestors have a right to be offended when insulted because of their race and we don't.

The idea that words are just words baffles me. Words are how we communicate, we won't have nothing without a medium to express thought. Words are used to express anger, love, joy. Words are supposed to invoke an emotional response.

You have a right to be offended. But if you're offended that's your problem. If you don't like Destiny, TURN THE FUCKING STREAM OFF. This site shouldn't be bending over backwards just to make sure every sensitive yet sadistic prick gets their fucking way.

he wasnt watching the stream. he was playing with him.


Even easier Just put him on ignore! :D
Son of Gnome
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States777 Posts
May 02 2012 02:22 GMT
#2757
On May 02 2012 11:15 Govou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 11:11 Son of Gnome wrote:
On May 02 2012 11:07 Govou wrote:
On May 02 2012 11:05 Son of Gnome wrote:
On May 02 2012 10:56 Govou wrote:
lol at people saying people need to get over racial slur

It's off limit for reason you will never get it unless you are the minority. why do you think people get fired on the spot in most professional setting? because they are babies and you are the real man who can deal with feelings being hurt?

wake the f up.

Ok I am a minority I have never been called a "gook" or whatever he said. I have been called names that people would consider to be very offensive. So why don't I get it?


Try it next time on your job. Try next time when you are in public place.

or try using them in any other forum.

you will get it.

I know I would get in trouble at work but that is not the point I am trying to make... I want you to explain to me why I and so many of my minority friends don't get the "it" you speaking over and hwy we don't care if words that are "off limits" as you called them are used when they are used to discriminate against people of our collective races.


well I could but I am not sure if my english is good enough.

Next time you see a black dude, try asking why calling him a nigger is a bad thing. He might have a better answer.

dont forget to preach him that he should get over it. because you clearly can


I am not preaching I was merely saying that you seemed to claim that unless you are a minority which I am, you can not understand what it feels to be discriminated and why the words are off limits. I am merely asking you what is wrong with me and my friends since it doesn't annoy us at all.
Whatever happens, happens
DueSs
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States765 Posts
May 02 2012 02:22 GMT
#2758
On May 02 2012 11:07 lisward wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2012 10:53 Bulldog654 wrote:
Dear Destiny,

I remain, as ever, your fan. Please continue standing up for yourself.

To the people that are upset by Destiny's language:

If you are not gay, you have no reason to be offended by someone using the word "faggot."
If you are not Vietnamese or Korean, you have no reason to be offended by the word "gook"

If you are gay, but you aren't the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, you have no reason to be offended.
If you are Vietnamese or Korean, but you aren't the person Destiny directed this "slur" to, you have no reason to be offended.

If you are gay, and you are also the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, I regret to inform you that being gay does not grant you immunity from having your feelings hurt. Whatever injustices that gay people may have suffered from the beginning of man all the way to today do not transfer to you. Whatever injustices that you as a gay person may have suffered from the beginning of your life to today were not perpetrated on you by Destiny, and so have no bearing whatsoever. In addition, being gay does not automatically mean that anyone else in the whole entire world has to give a damn about you or your feelings.

If you are Vietnamese or Korean, and you are also the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, I regret to inform you that being Vietnamese or Korean does not grant you immunity from having your feelings hurt. Whatever injustices that Vietnamese or Korean people may have suffered from the beginning of man all the way to today do not transfer to you. Whatever injustices that you as a Vietnamese or Korean person may have suffered from the beginning of your life to today were not perpetrated by Destiny, and so have no bearing whatsoever. In addition, being Vietnamese or Korean does not mean that anyone else in the whole entire world has to give a damn about you or your feelings.

If you are not gay, and are also not Vietnamese or Korean, then basically you tattled on someone. You were not and indeed could not possibly been hurt by his use of the word "faggot," and you were not and could not possibly have been hurt by his use of the word "gook," since you are neither gay nor are you Vietnamese or Korean.

Nobody has a right to not be offended. A person that intends to insult another will use whatever tool they can, whether its calling someone fat, gay, stupid, ginger, short, ugly, or any word that refers to ones gender or race or lineage.

I do not accept that the pain of past injustices suffered by any people somehow transfer onto people that have not faced those same injustices, and no, i do not believe that being called any name is even in the same ballpark as the actual, real suffering faced by peoples of all races at different times throughout history.

I believe every human being, just by virtue of its existence, deserves to be treated with respect and dignity, and if I could see any evidence that the OP was actually harmed by this then i would take a different stance, but from what i have seen there is nothing to make me believe that any harm was actually done.

And before anyone brings it up, no, i do not accept that words cause harm. If Destiny had called him a gook or faggot and then began encouraging people to commit acts of violence then it would be a different story. The OP was called names that have no more weight than any other insult, and as far as i can see it, he tattled on Destiny for it.

Who are you again? So now people can't have a right to be offended? If you have the right to be offensive I sure as hell should have the right to he offended. It's really cute how you talk about racism like its a thing of the past, like for some reason our ancestors have a right to be offended when insulted because of their race and we don't.

The idea that words are just words baffles me. Words are how we communicate, we won't have nothing without a medium to express thought. Words are used to express anger, love, joy. Words are supposed to invoke an emotional response.


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Ripper41
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May 02 2012 02:23 GMT
#2759
On May 02 2012 11:11 dAPhREAk wrote:
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On May 02 2012 11:10 Ripper41 wrote:
On May 02 2012 11:07 lisward wrote:
On May 02 2012 10:53 Bulldog654 wrote:
Dear Destiny,

I remain, as ever, your fan. Please continue standing up for yourself.

To the people that are upset by Destiny's language:

If you are not gay, you have no reason to be offended by someone using the word "faggot."
If you are not Vietnamese or Korean, you have no reason to be offended by the word "gook"

If you are gay, but you aren't the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, you have no reason to be offended.
If you are Vietnamese or Korean, but you aren't the person Destiny directed this "slur" to, you have no reason to be offended.

If you are gay, and you are also the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, I regret to inform you that being gay does not grant you immunity from having your feelings hurt. Whatever injustices that gay people may have suffered from the beginning of man all the way to today do not transfer to you. Whatever injustices that you as a gay person may have suffered from the beginning of your life to today were not perpetrated on you by Destiny, and so have no bearing whatsoever. In addition, being gay does not automatically mean that anyone else in the whole entire world has to give a damn about you or your feelings.

If you are Vietnamese or Korean, and you are also the person that Destiny directed this "slur" to, I regret to inform you that being Vietnamese or Korean does not grant you immunity from having your feelings hurt. Whatever injustices that Vietnamese or Korean people may have suffered from the beginning of man all the way to today do not transfer to you. Whatever injustices that you as a Vietnamese or Korean person may have suffered from the beginning of your life to today were not perpetrated by Destiny, and so have no bearing whatsoever. In addition, being Vietnamese or Korean does not mean that anyone else in the whole entire world has to give a damn about you or your feelings.

If you are not gay, and are also not Vietnamese or Korean, then basically you tattled on someone. You were not and indeed could not possibly been hurt by his use of the word "faggot," and you were not and could not possibly have been hurt by his use of the word "gook," since you are neither gay nor are you Vietnamese or Korean.

Nobody has a right to not be offended. A person that intends to insult another will use whatever tool they can, whether its calling someone fat, gay, stupid, ginger, short, ugly, or any word that refers to ones gender or race or lineage.

I do not accept that the pain of past injustices suffered by any people somehow transfer onto people that have not faced those same injustices, and no, i do not believe that being called any name is even in the same ballpark as the actual, real suffering faced by peoples of all races at different times throughout history.

I believe every human being, just by virtue of its existence, deserves to be treated with respect and dignity, and if I could see any evidence that the OP was actually harmed by this then i would take a different stance, but from what i have seen there is nothing to make me believe that any harm was actually done.

And before anyone brings it up, no, i do not accept that words cause harm. If Destiny had called him a gook or faggot and then began encouraging people to commit acts of violence then it would be a different story. The OP was called names that have no more weight than any other insult, and as far as i can see it, he tattled on Destiny for it.

Who are you again? So now people can't have a right to be offended? If you have the right to be offensive I sure as hell should have the right to he offended. It's really cute how you talk about racism like its a thing of the past, like for some reason our ancestors have a right to be offended when insulted because of their race and we don't.

The idea that words are just words baffles me. Words are how we communicate, we won't have nothing without a medium to express thought. Words are used to express anger, love, joy. Words are supposed to invoke an emotional response.

You have a right to be offended. But if you're offended that's your problem. If you don't like Destiny, TURN THE FUCKING STREAM OFF. This site shouldn't be bending over backwards just to make sure every sensitive yet sadistic prick gets their fucking way.

he wasnt watching the stream. he was playing with him.

Oh I'm sorry was he the one responsible for a 100+ pages of posts?

Also, didn't we establish that he wasn't offended, he just hates destiny
furerkip
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States439 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-02 02:24:24
May 02 2012 02:24 GMT
#2760
On May 02 2012 11:06 Dyme wrote:
English isn't my mother tongue and I didn't even know the word 'gook' before.
But I can't help to feel like extensive use of stupid words 'defuses' them. Like when I hear 'nigger' I think of rap music and it sounds like 'bro' to me. If I called someone 'bastard' I wouldn't even think a split second of 'illegitimate children'.

Then again, I am not English and its words all seem less powerful and unemotional to me.


It is like that for everyone. Difference is, we are attempting to provide a professional setting in E-sports for SC2, and as much as I love Destiny, he doesn't co-ordinate well with that forward because of his consistent need to rage and curse. Most people don't have a problem with it if it is subtle and used once or twice, but it's frustratingly continuous. But that's beside the point, we're witch-hunting, not because we all feel like the words he uses are meant for a racist connotation or that the words he uses are meant to display the feeling of their original usage to hurt those against him, but because we need E-sports to grow with an attitude that doesn't substantiate any sponsors' questioning of the legitimacy and professionalism of video gaming sports.

Or at least that's my understanding of it.
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