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TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
April 24 2012 21:15 GMT
#361
On April 25 2012 06:10 Roflhaxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 06:06 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:53 YourOldBuddy wrote:
I´m presently in Norway although not Norwegian. The story is making all the headlines here. If there is another side to the story it is not being presented and I'm pretty sure some of the media outlets would present it, if was there.

Just looks like a mob attacked a guy for making a simple enough mistake, he panicked and the mob attacks him again and again he panicked. I have read about so many travesties of justice from the states that I usually just always side with whoever is on the receiving side.... and I'm automatically right more often than not.


wait what mob? you mean the people trying to enjoy a festival only to have some guy drive up the wrong side of a street? the people who are in more danger than the guy in the car and are probably more worried for their own safety than about trying to cause harm? the people who realized this guy doesnt give a shit and kept on driving even though everyone was trying to get the guy to realize hes not where hes suppose to be?

no that cant possibly be. must be racism. only logical explanation right?

Yes, the best way to tell someone they are driving wrong is to go and punch him in the face..


According to one of the witnesses "We tried to help him when he drove the wrong way, but he tried to kill me. I hope he gets the help that he needs".
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Cutlery
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway565 Posts
April 24 2012 21:20 GMT
#362
On April 25 2012 05:49 TheBanana wrote:
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On April 25 2012 05:37 Cutlery wrote:
most of that would not have held in a real court, would it? Witnesses speculating about the intents of someone behind a wheel? If they were sooooo scared of him and his car, why did they put their foot in front of his wheels? Why did they flock to his car? haha... Also the judge allowed hearsay on terrorist charges in his past, didn't he? What a weird thing to do. There's the truth, and there's the truth; but that judge has an IQ of about 87 and wouldn't know the truth eitherway, i mean, hearsay? comeon haha. He was just searching for more ways to nail this guy. Come on. Nothing here made sense at all. Even a 3 year old could tell it made no sense. "Oh mr you can't park here!" WAIT YOU ARE RUNNING OVER MY CHILD. NO, DON'T PARK! WAIT IM SCARED I THINK WE SHOULD STEP CLOSER TO THE CAR WITH THE TEMPORARILY INSANE DRIVER. oh and there is anger!


I don't see how it makes sense to assume every person in the story except the guy and his mother are insane based on the little information we have.


I just recapped the witness' stories and behaviour. None of this was said by the guy and his mother... They might be insane aswell for all I know.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
April 24 2012 21:20 GMT
#363
On April 25 2012 05:55 Madkipz wrote:
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On April 25 2012 05:49 TheBanana wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:37 Cutlery wrote:
most of that would not have held in a real court, would it? Witnesses speculating about the intents of someone behind a wheel? If they were sooooo scared of him and his car, why did they put their foot in front of his wheels? Why did they flock to his car? haha... Also the judge allowed hearsay on terrorist charges in his past, didn't he? What a weird thing to do. There's the truth, and there's the truth; but that judge has an IQ of about 87 and wouldn't know the truth eitherway, i mean, hearsay? comeon haha. He was just searching for more ways to nail this guy. Come on. Nothing here made sense at all. Even a 3 year old could tell it made no sense. "Oh mr you can't park here!" WAIT YOU ARE RUNNING OVER MY CHILD. NO, DON'T PARK! WAIT IM SCARED I THINK WE SHOULD STEP CLOSER TO THE CAR WITH THE TEMPORARILY INSANE DRIVER. oh and there is anger!


I don't see how it makes sense to assume every person in the story except the guy and his mother are insane based on the little information we have.


What little information? What? We saw in court, the guy that assaulted him left and flipped him the bird. His mother cried tears and acted as if the world had ended and her children wont ever recover. SO yes, of all the witnesses. He appears to be the only sane person.


That's if you assume they are wrong.
If the witnesses are right it's completely understandable to react to (what would then be) blatant lies by leaving and showing emotions.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Undrass
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway381 Posts
April 24 2012 21:21 GMT
#364
Another Bash USA thread:/
For all we know the sentence was correct. All we have for information is extremely biased articles from a single norwegian newspaper. We have nowhere enough info to say this is terrible punishment.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
April 24 2012 21:30 GMT
#365
On April 25 2012 06:20 Cutlery wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:49 TheBanana wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:37 Cutlery wrote:
most of that would not have held in a real court, would it? Witnesses speculating about the intents of someone behind a wheel? If they were sooooo scared of him and his car, why did they put their foot in front of his wheels? Why did they flock to his car? haha... Also the judge allowed hearsay on terrorist charges in his past, didn't he? What a weird thing to do. There's the truth, and there's the truth; but that judge has an IQ of about 87 and wouldn't know the truth eitherway, i mean, hearsay? comeon haha. He was just searching for more ways to nail this guy. Come on. Nothing here made sense at all. Even a 3 year old could tell it made no sense. "Oh mr you can't park here!" WAIT YOU ARE RUNNING OVER MY CHILD. NO, DON'T PARK! WAIT IM SCARED I THINK WE SHOULD STEP CLOSER TO THE CAR WITH THE TEMPORARILY INSANE DRIVER. oh and there is anger!


I don't see how it makes sense to assume every person in the story except the guy and his mother are insane based on the little information we have.


I just recapped the witness' stories and behaviour. None of this was said by the guy and his mother... They might be insane aswell for all I know.


No, you didn't recap anything, you mocked people based on you assuming that you yourself know more about the situation then the people that were actually there and that the judge is stupid.
With the information we have, why does it make sense for the witnesses to lie, and not the guy?
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 24 2012 21:37 GMT
#366
On April 25 2012 06:21 Undrass wrote:
Another Bash USA thread:/
For all we know the sentence was correct. All we have for information is extremely biased articles from a single norwegian newspaper. We have nowhere enough info to say this is terrible punishment.

The US do have (generally) longer punishments for crimes so it's plausible that some people can accept that he is guilty of everything and still think it's too harsh of a punishment (there's been several people in this thread that have expressed such a opinion).
Banelings are too cute to blow up
dafunk
Profile Joined January 2009
France521 Posts
April 24 2012 21:47 GMT
#367
A guy run over someones toe and gets 7.5 years of jail ?

Is that it ? For real ?
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
April 24 2012 21:52 GMT
#368
Arizona is slowly creeping its way into the ridiculous zone... oh wait they passed that line months ago.
User was warned for too many mimes.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
April 24 2012 21:53 GMT
#369
On April 25 2012 06:47 dafunk wrote:
A guy run over someones toe and gets 7.5 years of jail ?

Is that it ? For real ?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't the toe that got him seven years.
pigtheman
Profile Joined January 2009
United States333 Posts
April 24 2012 22:01 GMT
#370
wow talk about the unluckiest guy ever T.T
arizona has been implementing weird laws ;(
*rawr* d(^_^d)
Gulf
Profile Joined May 2010
Scotland213 Posts
April 24 2012 22:07 GMT
#371
On April 25 2012 06:53 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 06:47 dafunk wrote:
A guy run over someones toe and gets 7.5 years of jail ?

Is that it ? For real ?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't the toe that got him seven years.


As far as i can tell from the op, it is, he's convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon, the weapon being the car. Not driving offences.
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 22:09:38
April 24 2012 22:07 GMT
#372
what the fuck...

how is everyone in this story so retarded? The guy was driving around in a rental car, oblivious of people partying in the street, and instead of just stopping and getting out and asking for directions he just keeps going? If he's so culture shocked that he can't even get out of the car then he shouldn't be driving around in another country to begin with.

Then there's the retarded people in the streets, instead of helping this guy out they punch him in the face and act like a bunch of monkeys. Then accusing him of terrorism? A Norwegian? LOL

Honestly, I feel the most sympathies for the police/jury that actually has to try and comprehend what really happened.
"See you space cowboy"
Voltaire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1485 Posts
April 24 2012 22:08 GMT
#373
Everyone should take note of the fact that Arizona was just voted the stupidest state in the US the other month.
As long as people believe in absurdities they will continue to commit atrocities.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 22:16:27
April 24 2012 22:14 GMT
#374
On April 25 2012 07:07 Erik.TheRed wrote:
what the fuck...

how is everyone in this story so retarded? The guy was driving around in a rental car, oblivious of people partying in the street, and instead of just stopping and getting out and asking for directions he just keeps going? If he's so culture shocked that he can't even get out of the car then he shouldn't be driving around in another country to begin with.

Then there's the retarded people in the streets, instead of helping this guy out they punch him in the face and act like a bunch of monkeys. Then accusing him of terrorism? A Norwegian? LOL

Honestly, I feel the most sympathies for the police/jury that actually has to try and comprehend what really happened.


He's lived in the US for 10+ years (as far as i can tell). They punched him in the face after he started almost driving into people. Who accused him of being a terrorist in relation to this incident?

Did you even read anything before belching all that out?

... Not that there really is anything to read at all on the subject - part of the reason this thread is so pathetic.
Lixler
Profile Joined March 2010
United States265 Posts
April 24 2012 22:15 GMT
#375
On April 25 2012 07:08 Voltaire wrote:
Everyone should take note of the fact that Arizona was just voted the stupidest state in the US the other month.

Alright, but who voted in that poll? Americans, no doubt. Can we really trust the opinion of stupid Americans?
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
April 24 2012 22:17 GMT
#376
I just don't understand why they waited until a day before sentencing to release this information. This also leads me to believe they know more than what they are saying. However with limited time, they could produce this and incite this type of reaction.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 22:33:48
April 24 2012 22:25 GMT
#377
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fifty-plus.friends/browse_thread/thread/4851777de2cf9f85/c562efe3c151d808?hl=en&q=%22John+Larsgard%22#c562efe3c151d808&ei=iGwTS6eaOpW8Qpmqic0O&sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&source=groups&usg=AFQjCNHzJpPjpPQOMNjTwnxKL1fn2l-eOQ

So apparently he wasn't considered a terrorist threat, it was just one of those draconian university disciplinary bullshit kangaroo courts that wanted him gone because he was an asshole (this seems to be a recurring theme for Mr. Larsgard, getting into trouble in numerous places because people think he's acting like an asshole and him then whining about being unfairly targeted).

The more I learn about him the more I think he wasn't just some poor innocent guy who panicked and didn't intend to hurt anyone and boohoohoo, he seems like he has trouble with getting into fights or otherwise unpleasant situations with people.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
stenole
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Norway868 Posts
April 24 2012 22:26 GMT
#378
I think the court has had a much more throrough process of getting all the facts, testimony and evidence from this case than the norwegian journalist(s) has. What is perhaps shocking from a norwegian reference point is the severity of the sentence and that the aggrivated assault with a deadly weapon charge. The use of such a charge when there is no clear intent and the application that the car is equivalent to a gun is a little outlandish. Being put in isolation is already worse than serving a regular sentence in an American jail which is as we all know worse than your average Norwegian jail.

A Norwegian court may at worst have convicted him for negligent bodily harm. Maybe not even that depending on how rationally he could be expected to act when getting your nose broken. In a Norwegian court that has a maximum sentence of 3 years, I believe. The guy punching would be at risk of a more serious charge because there was intent involved. This is all hypothetical though and based on nearly no real infomation about the case.

It seems he has resided in America for a long time though. In his interview he has a distinct American accent. So it is not like he is a tourist on holiday victimized by the American legal system. He lives there, so in many ways he is more American than Norwegian.
Siggen
Profile Joined November 2011
143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 22:49:19
April 24 2012 22:44 GMT
#379
On April 25 2012 05:48 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:43 Cutlery wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:40 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:39 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:33 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:29 Madkipz wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 19:51 Unreliablex wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:47 screamingpalm wrote:
Any source for this?


No

It's an extremely long pile of horseshit. At best, most of it is false and spun heavily.



Must suck to be wrong.

I just read this on one of Norways biggest newspapers internettpage, and it disgusted me like fuck.

I do not understand how this is possible, at all. The normal thing to do if someone drives in the wrong direction with the car is to tell them to turn around, not to act like inconsiderate idiots.


Oh my, I am so sorry.

They must never ever have any wrong or biased "facts".

I apologize for not trusting almighty Norway.


The fact that you can sit there, and doubt the integrity of his mother whom sat next to him when those american witnesses sat in court and basically acted out emotional trauma means a lot to me.

Comon: One person got hit on the toe as a result of a scared norwegian flooring his car in reverse, who initially had no intention of hurting anyone and was merely frightened to death by being hit in straight in the face by the leader of an increasingly angry mob.

Witness claims: He tried to kill 6 people by backing into them with his car. The mother and the kids are now emotionally damaged and the father punched the student to "disarm" him of his car.


because the mother of the accused is definitely the most un-biased person in the room and the evil Americans are only out to get foreigners...

also the guy wasnt punched in the face UNTIL HE ALMOST RAN OVER AND KILLED THE MANS WIFE AND KIDS. way to leave out a very crucial detail.


Almost is a big deal here, he had no intention of hurting anyone and nobody died. This in no way constitutes to fucking 7.5 years in jail.


your right. the almost is what stops this from being manslaughter. doesnt get the guy off the hook.


Sounds weird. Everytime you drive by a pedestrian, do you almost kill him? If you, by accident, get one wheel half atop the sidewalk, do you almost kill someone? When kids play in the street and you are driving 2 miles per hour, do you almost kill them? I mean, you are in-fact holding a weapon pretty close to their heads.

I'm scared of studying in the US now. I think I'll stay clear of the typical southern states for sure.


Most of the people in the south is incredibly nice. Some of our laws are definitely fucked up. If you're that paranoid the west coast is pretty nice. But I mean, I wouldn't worry about being arrested. So long as you don't get involved with drugs or commit a crime you really don't have much to worry about.


overt you have a lot of good points in this discussion! I have been in the south and everyone is so nice and friendly.

The things that I feel is frightening about the US however, is that you can go to jail and possibly ruin much of your life because of silly mistakes you were unaware was wrong to do or because you were a place you did not know was wrong to be in. In my mind are those people who are in jail, people who are criminals with an intention of doing crimes and not for people who broke a rule they did not know of. Here I feel that you should get a fine for breaking a rule.

In this case I get that the people witnessed this feel that the man is a danger for other people in the way he acted and therefore should be put away from the society so that he can not endanger more people, but I think it sad that if this was not intentional etc, that he is put away with criminals for a long time for a mistake of no criminal intention.
Siggen
Profile Joined November 2011
143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 22:48:56
April 24 2012 22:48 GMT
#380
Double post, sorry!
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