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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
April 24 2012 22:54 GMT
#381
What a horrficially biased article. I can easily see their next headline:
"Fanatic US luddites attempt to discredit neutral journalism with faulty logic and flagrant racism."
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 24 2012 22:55 GMT
#382
On April 25 2012 07:15 Lixler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 07:08 Voltaire wrote:
Everyone should take note of the fact that Arizona was just voted the stupidest state in the US the other month.

Alright, but who voted in that poll? Americans, no doubt. Can we really trust the opinion of stupid Americans?

Who would know better than neighboring states? ~_~
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 22:58:50
April 24 2012 22:57 GMT
#383
This has been stuck in my head, where is the proof other than his word and his mother's that it was unintentional? From what I've been reading about his past living here in the US and even growing up in Norway, he sure does seem to consistently have problems with a lot of people, and it's always unintentional.

He had to leave school in Norway because he was being horribly bullied according to him and his mother; not his fault. He's the victim.

He got kicked out of university in Alabama, he's the victim again. He lied to Norwegian papers about the whole situation, it wasn't some ridiculous post-9/11 fearmongering potential terrorist thing, turns out people couldn't stand him and basically he got kicked out because he was an intolerable jerk too often. Still, no bad intent on his part.

He stalked some girl and made her family move to Chicago and followed them there. Then there was a fight involving him and two of the girl's relatives; again, he was the victim. They attacked him unprovoked, he wasn't doing anything wrong.

Now, this. Again, all unintentional on his part, again, he's the victim, again, he did nothing wrong, it was all someone else.

Kind of strains credulity that he keeps getting into shit and it's never ever his fault, he never intended anything to happen like what happened, it's all other people victimizing him, everyone else is to blame.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
April 24 2012 22:58 GMT
#384
I like the part were he said all the wittiness were all related. ...So was this guy being a bigot when he said that?
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
April 24 2012 23:01 GMT
#385
In the spirit of the internetz, I believe that Americans should be a bit more relaxed and not settle everything in court. But the american court system has inspired so many good tv shows so i guess it all adds up. I love suits.+ Show Spoiler +
The tv show
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aeroblaster
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States422 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 23:03:23
April 24 2012 23:02 GMT
#386
Sweden
On April 24 2012 16:49 Tobberoth wrote:
2. The reason why there's a lot of USA bashing is not, as you might think, because europeans like to nitpick some rare isolated events. It's because stuff such as this actually comes up so ridiculously often, all over the US. Yeah, it might be a very bad representation, but then again, we know a lot about your political system etc. The reason you're not picking on Sweden, for example, is because you probably don't know too much about Sweden, we aren't in the spotlight like the US. That's simply the downside of being a superpower, everyone has their eyes on the US.


Germany
On April 24 2012 17:28 dezi wrote:
Only in america ... joke-country keeps being a joke-country. Always has been and always will be a 3rd world country in terms of rights.

User was temp banned for this post.


And you call US the assholes? It's the other countries that are all assholes.
This is how we americans fucking feel when you guys spout your nonsense
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Like seriously guys what the fuck?

Sweden and Germany must be full of dicks like you right? According to your way of thinking, I guess we should believe your WHOLE country is one giant dick just because a few of you were assholes.

Stop with your shit.
If you want to catch a rabbit just hide behind a tree and make the sound of a carrot.
acerockolla
Profile Joined June 2011
United States219 Posts
April 24 2012 23:07 GMT
#387
On April 25 2012 07:57 DeepElemBlues wrote:
This has been stuck in my head, where is the proof other than his word and his mother's that it was unintentional? From what I've been reading about his past living here in the US and even growing up in Norway, he sure does seem to consistently have problems with a lot of people, and it's always unintentional.

He had to leave school in Norway because he was being horribly bullied according to him and his mother; not his fault. He's the victim.

He got kicked out of university in Alabama, he's the victim again. He lied to Norwegian papers about the whole situation, it wasn't some ridiculous post-9/11 fearmongering potential terrorist thing, turns out people couldn't stand him and basically he got kicked out because he was an intolerable jerk too often. Still, no bad intent on his part.

He stalked some girl and made her family move to Chicago and followed them there. Then there was a fight involving him and two of the girl's relatives; again, he was the victim. They attacked him unprovoked, he wasn't doing anything wrong.

Now, this. Again, all unintentional on his part, again, he's the victim, again, he did nothing wrong, it was all someone else.

Kind of strains credulity that he keeps getting into shit and it's never ever his fault, he never intended anything to happen like what happened, it's all other people victimizing him, everyone else is to blame.


That's the same way I read everything... I would not be inclined to believe his side of the story. Perhaps.. just perhaps, he did something wrong and is now facing the consequences.
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 23:09:53
April 24 2012 23:08 GMT
#388
Don't know... mixed feelings after reading some of the comments.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. Alice Roosevelt Longworth
cristo1122
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 23:17:55
April 24 2012 23:13 GMT
#389
another only in america moment one might say but then again some things about this dont add up people dont just randomly get angry and abusive at someone becauser they are doing something unintentional, on another note minimmum sentancing is pretty stupid as it dosent allow judges to take into account each individual case and can result in situations where an individual is given an overly excessive sentence relative to the severity of the act.
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Farad
Profile Joined November 2010
216 Posts
April 24 2012 23:21 GMT
#390
On April 25 2012 07:57 DeepElemBlues wrote:
This has been stuck in my head, where is the proof other than his word and his mother's that it was unintentional?


Where is the proof this was an aggrevated assault with a deadly weapon, other than this man who punched him and his angry friends?

I thought one was innocent until proven otherwise, but apparently not.....
cristo1122
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia505 Posts
April 24 2012 23:23 GMT
#391
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/illinois/ilndce/1:2002cv04282/122787/117

interesting link concerning his activities in 2002
ZvP imbalanced blizzards solution nerf terran
seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
April 24 2012 23:37 GMT
#392
On April 25 2012 08:21 Farad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 07:57 DeepElemBlues wrote:
This has been stuck in my head, where is the proof other than his word and his mother's that it was unintentional?


Where is the proof this was an aggrevated assault with a deadly weapon, other than this man who punched him and his angry friends?

I thought one was innocent until proven otherwise, but apparently not.....


hes trying to determine intent.
your arguing something that all sides acknowledge has happened. the people with the broken feet can serve as proof for that.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
April 24 2012 23:39 GMT
#393
On April 25 2012 08:21 Farad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 07:57 DeepElemBlues wrote:
This has been stuck in my head, where is the proof other than his word and his mother's that it was unintentional?


Where is the proof this was an aggrevated assault with a deadly weapon, other than this man who punched him and his angry friends?

I thought one was innocent until proven otherwise, but apparently not.....


Today was sentencing, so it has already been proven otherwise. You can take the events that occurred and interpret them how you like but they lend themselves either way, he wasn't trying to hurt anyone and there were only minimal injuries to two people, or he was trying to hurt them or didn't care about hurting them and it was lucky that only two people got minimal injuries.

Apparently after he was punched in the nose he screamed that he was going to kill everyone according to testimony, of course you've already decided based on the flimsiest of rationales that all the testimony except his is bullshit.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
April 24 2012 23:41 GMT
#394
Wait... witnesses said he said he was going to kill everyone?
xtruder
Profile Joined October 2011
Afghanistan135 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 23:49:04
April 24 2012 23:48 GMT
#395
wait wait wait.... he gets his car surrounded and his nose broken and HE's the one charged with a crime? If you surround a car and mob it and you get run over, it's your damn fault. If you run into the highway and get run over by a car, the driver is not at fault.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
April 24 2012 23:51 GMT
#396
On April 25 2012 08:48 xtruder wrote:
wait wait wait.... he gets his car surrounded and his nose broken and HE's the one charged with a crime? If you surround a car and mob it and you get run over, it's your damn fault. If you run into the highway and get run over by a car, the driver is not at fault.


The road was closed for a music festival and he drove down it not once but twice, the fact that he did it twice probably looked pretty bad to the DA and judge. He waived his right to a jury trial and had a bench trial and the judge convicted him.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 24 2012 23:53 GMT
#397
On April 25 2012 08:48 xtruder wrote:
wait wait wait.... he gets his car surrounded and his nose broken and HE's the one charged with a crime? If you surround a car and mob it and you get run over, it's your damn fault. If you run into the highway and get run over by a car, the driver is not at fault.


Except the driver continued to drive down a one way street during a music festival. Oh yeah, the wrong way down the street. And he didn't stop once he realized it.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 23:58:02
April 24 2012 23:57 GMT
#398
Here's a protip: if you're charged with a crime and don't want to take a plea, you want a trial, never, ever waive your right to a jury trial and have a bench trial instead. A judge is not going to be more likely to think you're innocent than a jury.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Farad
Profile Joined November 2010
216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 00:01:18
April 24 2012 23:59 GMT
#399
On April 25 2012 08:39 DeepElemBlues wrote:
of course you've already decided based on the flimsiest of rationales that all the testimony except his is bullshit.


Sorry, I fail at reading. But you've reached the right conclusion

Except the driver continued to drive down a one way street during a music festival. Oh yeah, the wrong way down the street. And he didn't stop once he realized it.


Clearly, this calls for 7,5 years in jail!
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 25 2012 00:02 GMT
#400
On April 25 2012 08:59 Farad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 08:39 DeepElemBlues wrote:
of course you've already decided based on the flimsiest of rationales that all the testimony except his is bullshit.


Sorry, I fail at reading. But you've reached the right conclusion

Show nested quote +
Except the driver continued to drive down a one way street during a music festival. Oh yeah, the wrong way down the street. And he didn't stop once he realized it.


Clearly, this calls for 7,5 years in jail!


Except that had nothing to do with the post I was responding to. Please read in the context of my reply, thanks.
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