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Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
April 25 2012 00:02 GMT
#401
Wow, this just makes me sad. There is no reason to put a kid behind bars for something this stupid. And hes in a foreign country. And probably cant even speak the language well.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
April 25 2012 00:03 GMT
#402
On April 25 2012 09:02 Sanguinarius wrote:
Wow, this just makes me sad. There is no reason to put a kid behind bars for something this stupid. And hes in a foreign country. And probably cant even speak the language well.


He's lived in America for a decade.
seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
April 25 2012 00:04 GMT
#403
hes not some lost tourist who got caught up in a festival, with a culture and customs hes not use to. Hes been in the US for 10 years. Theres really no excuse.
screamingpalm
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1527 Posts
April 25 2012 00:04 GMT
#404
On April 25 2012 07:25 DeepElemBlues wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fifty-plus.friends/browse_thread/thread/4851777de2cf9f85/c562efe3c151d808?hl=en&q=%22John+Larsgard%22#c562efe3c151d808&ei=iGwTS6eaOpW8Qpmqic0O&sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&source=groups&usg=AFQjCNHzJpPjpPQOMNjTwnxKL1fn2l-eOQ

So apparently he wasn't considered a terrorist threat, it was just one of those draconian university disciplinary bullshit kangaroo courts that wanted him gone because he was an asshole (this seems to be a recurring theme for Mr. Larsgard, getting into trouble in numerous places because people think he's acting like an asshole and him then whining about being unfairly targeted).

The more I learn about him the more I think he wasn't just some poor innocent guy who panicked and didn't intend to hurt anyone and boohoohoo, he seems like he has trouble with getting into fights or otherwise unpleasant situations with people.


Thanks for posting more info... I can't log in to read it yet, but I don't think it is illegal to be an asshole lol. It reminds me why I don't go out much... I would constatly be in some kind of trouble. Especially the way people act on public transportation... drives me nuts. Even then I'm often walking on a razor's edge with idiotic truancy officers harassing me at home, etc. Just a matter of time for me I think.
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Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
April 25 2012 00:05 GMT
#405
On April 25 2012 09:03 DannyJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 09:02 Sanguinarius wrote:
Wow, this just makes me sad. There is no reason to put a kid behind bars for something this stupid. And hes in a foreign country. And probably cant even speak the language well.


He's lived in America for a decade.


I see people every day who have lived here their whole life and still speak Spanish only with a very rudimentary understanding of English. We have to bring in translators alot.
Your strength is just an accident arising from the weakness of others -Heart of Darkness
seedfreedom
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada38 Posts
April 25 2012 00:07 GMT
#406
On April 25 2012 09:05 Sanguinarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 09:03 DannyJ wrote:
On April 25 2012 09:02 Sanguinarius wrote:
Wow, this just makes me sad. There is no reason to put a kid behind bars for something this stupid. And hes in a foreign country. And probably cant even speak the language well.


He's lived in America for a decade.


I see people every day who have lived here their whole life and still speak Spanish only with a very rudimentary understanding of English. We have to bring in translators alot.

except those are usually migrant workers. this is a 33 year old guy who came for university schooling. He speaks the language perfectly fine.
Heckster
Profile Joined May 2011
United States5 Posts
April 25 2012 00:35 GMT
#407
Unfortunately, just like all other countries legal systems, the United States' legal system has flaws since legislation is also influenced on verdicts of trials. That being said, this part of the legal system is a way to adapt into the ever-changing world but is sometimes not the best way to solve problems. I didn't read all the comments since I am short on time but even being American, he should not be found guilty if he was actually innocent, but I feel like that the OP was extremely biased and potentially to the other extreme, but maybe not. If i was that father I would have been angered as well, and I hope any father would be..
All in all I wish there was video footage so I could see for myself, because on one hand, being a music festival it was most likely blocked off and obvious not to go down at all, but at the same token, I would also flee if someone punched me and a mob was around my car.
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GrandMaPwnZ.
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway84 Posts
April 25 2012 00:52 GMT
#408
How incredibly sad.
Wivyx
Profile Joined May 2009
Norway624 Posts
April 25 2012 00:52 GMT
#409
On April 25 2012 09:04 seedfreedom wrote:
hes not some lost tourist who got caught up in a festival, with a culture and customs hes not use to. Hes been in the US for 10 years. Theres really no excuse.


Sure, but 7.5 years in prison? A ticket would've been enough!
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 25 2012 00:58 GMT
#410
On April 25 2012 09:52 Wivyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 09:04 seedfreedom wrote:
hes not some lost tourist who got caught up in a festival, with a culture and customs hes not use to. Hes been in the US for 10 years. Theres really no excuse.


Sure, but 7.5 years in prison? A ticket would've been enough!


Well, maybe in your country. What he did is more severe in the states, and I think rightfully so. I'm not necessarily saying I agree with the actual sentence, but surely more than a ticket. Maybe a steep fine. (unless that qualifies as a ticket, for some reason I think a ticket is simply a cop writes you up and you pay without any court decision, etc.). Jail time is debatable, we don't know the complete circumstances. I'll agree 7.5 years sounds over the top though.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 01:05:28
April 25 2012 00:59 GMT
#411
On April 25 2012 06:11 seedfreedom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 06:10 Roflhaxx wrote:
On April 25 2012 06:06 seedfreedom wrote:
On April 25 2012 05:53 YourOldBuddy wrote:
I´m presently in Norway although not Norwegian. The story is making all the headlines here. If there is another side to the story it is not being presented and I'm pretty sure some of the media outlets would present it, if was there.

Just looks like a mob attacked a guy for making a simple enough mistake, he panicked and the mob attacks him again and again he panicked. I have read about so many travesties of justice from the states that I usually just always side with whoever is on the receiving side.... and I'm automatically right more often than not.


wait what mob? you mean the people trying to enjoy a festival only to have some guy drive up the wrong side of a street? the people who are in more danger than the guy in the car and are probably more worried for their own safety than about trying to cause harm? the people who realized this guy doesnt give a shit and kept on driving even though everyone was trying to get the guy to realize hes not where hes suppose to be?

no that cant possibly be. must be racism. only logical explanation right?

Yes, the best way to tell someone they are driving wrong is to go and punch him in the face..


they yelled at him at first to get him to get out. he wasnt punched until he almost ran over a woman and her kids.

the Norwegian source said it themselves
"John drives slowly but some people still hurl abuse and make threatening gestures towards the car.
When he tried to turn into the Auto Shop where his Volvo was towed, a crowd surrounded the car and his mother panicked and told him to get out of there. He backed up against a curb and got a flat tire. He stopped a few meters away from a hot dog stand. There is a woman and her kids inside the hot dog stand, the car never made any contact with them or the stand. Many of the witnessess thinks this is deadly dangerous driving. "
i know they want to make it look like the guy was being harassed, but it just makes him look less caring about the well being of others. seriously, people are gesturing to your car and yelling at you and your first though is "huh thats weird. let me in no way try to understand why this random group of people are angry and continue on driving.


nm, didnt read your post well enough
wurm
Profile Joined October 2007
Philippines2296 Posts
April 25 2012 01:06 GMT
#412
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 01:21:46
April 25 2012 01:14 GMT
#413
On April 25 2012 10:06 wurm wrote:
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.


What celebrities have been convicted of killing someone and not spent any time in jail?

And what do you mean "for what other people get 1-2 years minimum?

What celebrities even need to embezzle millions?

I don't follow that stuff as much as I do foreign policy though, I must admit.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
April 25 2012 01:27 GMT
#414
On April 25 2012 10:06 wurm wrote:
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.


Pretty sure you're just basing that on your perception. U.S. is pretty good at treating celebrities the same as ordinary citizens. Celebrities go to jail all the time, even for white collar crimes, e.g. Martha Stewart, Richard Hatch, Wesley Snipes, etc.
Brawndo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States35 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 01:28:33
April 25 2012 01:28 GMT
#415
Google translate changes his name to Lars Farm. If you guys Google John Kristoffer Larsgard you can find more discussion on him.
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
April 25 2012 01:34 GMT
#416
On April 25 2012 10:06 wurm wrote:
I'm honestly not surprised. Celebrities can kill/threaten to kill people/embezzle millions and not spend any jail time in America, but the average Joe can spend up to a decade in jail for what other people get 1-2 years minimum. Justice system my ass.


See, now you're just making crap up.

I'm sure the justice system in the Philippines is a modern marvel of civil rights and equal protection Stop holding the US to different standards than you would for other countries because of your personal beliefs about our government.
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RancidTurnip
Profile Joined August 2010
United States105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-25 01:38:15
April 25 2012 01:37 GMT
#417
Wow, Americans like myself sure are stupid. In fact we are so ignorant that we read biased news articles and instantly believe everything it says prior to checking other sources.

It makes us wonder how we all became so stupid with 72.4% of the population having come from the glorious and all knowing European continent... Oh wait..
CrAyZeD
Profile Joined January 2012
United States36 Posts
April 25 2012 01:46 GMT
#418
this shames me as an american im sorry rest of the world
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Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
April 25 2012 02:03 GMT
#419
Not really sure why people are surprised that a journalist would write a story horribly biased in favor of a countryman who was being prosecuted in another country for criminal acts they committed.

Too bad people will instantly believe anything they read on the internet without applying critical thinking skills, it really is tiresome reading so many 'american suxs!' posts on this forum, especially when they are not warranted.

Sure the usa screws up a lot, but so does everyone else, yell at them for stuff that is truly bad, not for things that make sense.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
April 25 2012 02:07 GMT
#420
On April 25 2012 11:03 Saryph wrote:
Not really sure why people are surprised that a journalist would write a story horribly biased in favor of a countryman who was being prosecuted in another country for criminal acts they committed.

Too bad people will instantly believe anything they read on the internet without applying critical thinking skills, it really is tiresome reading so many 'american suxs!' posts on this forum, especially when they are not warranted.

Sure the usa screws up a lot, but so does everyone else, yell at them for stuff that is truly bad, not for things that make sense.


Despite claims by Scandinavians that they try to be as unbiased as possible and view nationalism as a negative force, they are widely regarded, in the U.S. at least, as one of the most nationalistic areas (Norway/Sweden/Finland by "areas") in the entire world. Very, very convinced they have everything better figured out than other people.

Although if you were going to have to make an argument, they seem to have a pretty damn good rehabilitative system in Norway. I wouldn't want to live there myself, but they do usually top standard of livings charts. It's just their sense of "oh, in OUR country we'd do it this way, which is clearly the more CIVILIZED way" in every single argument that irks me T_T.
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