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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
March 09 2012 02:28 GMT
#1401
Another thing; this reminds me southpark "N word" episode.
Esorydal
Profile Joined March 2012
Poland42 Posts
March 09 2012 02:29 GMT
#1402
people like orb will kill E sports, unproffesionalism has no place in this industry
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
March 09 2012 02:29 GMT
#1403
On March 09 2012 11:27 pezit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:06 Silentness wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:00 NachiMe wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:55 Xann wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:49 Rorschach wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:41 Xann wrote:
i'm still waiting for orb's apology, the white man continues to spread their hatred and racism while black men such as myself are hurt despite the hundreds of years of brutality i've had to suffer. The white man should be ashamed



how old are you?
hundreds of years of brutality?
And this persecution happened to you personally?
What day and age are you living in?

lol?

Sorry but I won't let the white man sweep racism under the rug... actions have consequences, and orb should pay the consequences of his inflamatory remarks on my race.

I'm asian and I really don't give a fuck about racism that happened to "my" race. And yes, there has been a lot of it. What's done is done, most people don't think like this now (or are trying to be politcally correct) so step down your horse. *you* did not suffer hundreds of years of brutality. Your ancestors did. Grow up. To be honest I would love to be black instead of asian because of all the affirmitive action that goes on here. Easy ivy league if I was black, hard ivy league if I was asian.


Wow you say you don't care about racism affecting your race, but yet you say "Easy Ivy League if I was black, and hard ivy league if I was Asian."

Really now?

As a black guy with a Korean wife I know she cares about racism affecting her. She still has a hard time trusting Japanese people because of what happened a LONG TIME AGO in the past. For example, the raping/pillaging of Korea and etc. So to say that it's stupid that people care about what happened in their past is kind of ignorant if you ask me...


This is funny because it sounds to me like your wife is a xenophobe for no good reason at all.

It is ridiculous how some people actually feel sorry for themselves because of what happened to their race or country before they were even alive, boo fucking hoo.


Haha, thats what I was thinking.
EcksperT
Profile Joined August 2010
United States35 Posts
March 09 2012 02:29 GMT
#1404
He shouldn't have said it.

He shouldn't have denied it.

But this amount of attention paid to some misplaced rage? Wrong.

EG punishing orb for something he said while not representing them, and in some instances before even working with them? Absolutely ludicrous.

I hope people see how far EG is up their own asses. Don't they have a shirt that says "I love bad manners?" Isn't this in line with one of their dumb slogans? Guarantee if the community had reacted positively to his comments EG would have a shirt out the next day "Cannon rush? Dumb Nigger Risk."
help me get better
Delinius
Profile Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
March 09 2012 02:29 GMT
#1405
On March 09 2012 11:24 MWY wrote:
What if Orb actually had some Black Ancestors? Would everything be fine then?

He's as black as everyone else here considering how humanity originates from Africa.
hordala
Profile Joined October 2011
61 Posts
March 09 2012 02:29 GMT
#1406
YO IM SUCH A COOL WHITE KID /ABSOLUTE JUDGEMENT/ LOL i mean come on you must be on such a high horse to say you have absolute judgement and cant even hit grandmaster in NA server...
MWY
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany284 Posts
March 09 2012 02:30 GMT
#1407
On March 09 2012 11:27 jtixs wrote:
This is a ridiculous discussion

This incident does not effect "professional image of gamers" or "growing esports" all that matters for that is traffic data.
Orb is a good caster, what he says in his personal stream has no relevance to esports.

This is just a way for all the TL imbeciles to have a big circle jerk and act all self righteous and it
is disgusting to try and ruin someone for your own pleasure.

Everyone acting all hurt over this needs to grow up.


So true.
MVega
Profile Joined November 2010
763 Posts
March 09 2012 02:30 GMT
#1408
On March 09 2012 11:28 Falcor wrote:
People say this isnt a big deal....but in a real proffesional sport, you have players getting fined for giving the finger(and they have to make a public apology). Players who insult other players while on the ice is fine if its insulting them about the game...but when it goes personal(making fun of someones family players get fined over it) And insults to other players can't even be heard or seen by the audience and they make it a big deal.

This community has been in a bubble for a decade(most of esports has) and it's always wanted more exposure and to go more mainstream. But yet they don't want to act proffesional in the eyes of the mainstream.


Only if they get caught. In "real professional sports" the things that players say to each other on the field are just as bad as what Orb has said. If they get caught they given a little apology and get fined, and in the end it doesn't mean anything. Orb got caught, orb sort of apologized, orb is going to go on doing what orb does. The only real difference is that in Orb's case people will still hound him about this for ages.

I honestly feel sorry for him, he obviously just doesn't know any better. I blame his environment. :/
bumkin: How can you play like 50 games per day... I 4gate 2 times then it's nap time
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
March 09 2012 02:31 GMT
#1409
On March 09 2012 11:29 hordala wrote:
YO IM SUCH A COOL WHITE KID /ABSOLUTE JUDGEMENT/ LOL i mean come on you must be on such a high horse to say you have absolute judgement and cant even hit grandmaster in NA server...


yes because starcraft skill definetly matters when talking about a moral issue...
hordala
Profile Joined October 2011
61 Posts
March 09 2012 02:31 GMT
#1410
what you guys all talking about HE LIED ABOUT THIS he was ASHAMED ENOUGH TO LIE ABOUT THIS before joining EG.
TheFrankOne
Profile Joined December 2010
United States667 Posts
March 09 2012 02:31 GMT
#1411
On March 09 2012 10:44 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 10:41 RampancyTW wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:38 jnsjr wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:19 Esk23 wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:15 Chessz wrote:
Honestly, I think the responses to this thread are revealing as to how much people actually care about race issues and racism still at large, and how white/privileged (or even male/heteronormative regarding "fag") our particular community is. Not saying that orb is a racist, just i understand that he's indoctrinated by the culture he comes from to think these things are okay or not a big deal, and half of the posters here suffer from the same ignorance.

If you honestly deep-down turn the other cheek to uses of these words in ways that are meant to be inflammatory and derogatory or think it's not a big deal because "people say it on the internet all the time" and you don't see how it's a problem that someone who represents the SC2 community is saying these things, please never talk to me until you can broaden your perspective and educate yourself.

You can go ahead and attack my high horse but at least it's a progressive, tolerant one. In the meantime, lets never hang out



This post is itself racist. Funny how the people who go crazy against racism are typically racist themselves.


Not sure if serious? I'll take the troll bait, please enlighten me, how is this racist?
Painting a broad brush of the community as "white and privileged" because of the posts in this topic.

But racism against white people doesn't count, amirite?

Yah I'd second this post here. All colours of people can be racist, and ideally none should.

Orb went way overboard in his rants regardless... I don't think any of the kids online have ever raged that badly at me Although that may be because I left the bleep thing on... lol



Tl is white and privileged, check out the 2011 TL census. It doesn't make it clear that it is privileged but people who can afford a computer that plays SC2 and who have internet access are privileged.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214457
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
March 09 2012 02:31 GMT
#1412
On March 09 2012 11:15 Dont-Panic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:11 Mr Showtime wrote:
It's about professionalism. Orb acted like a child and will be punished accordingly by his employers. There isn't much more to this.


It's not about professionalism. It's about people with too much time doing everything to ruin someones life while feeling like moral authorities.


That's a separate issue that I completely understand as well. But, as an employee of the corporation EG, you cannot conduct yourself in the manner he chose to. It's, simply put, childish.
DeLoReAn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States81 Posts
March 09 2012 02:31 GMT
#1413
this is why NO ONE should ever go to reddit starcraft. waaay to many people who get butt hurt over this type of stuff who do it probably every day...
Dota2 is my escape.
FeUerFlieGe
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1193 Posts
March 09 2012 02:32 GMT
#1414
On March 09 2012 11:29 EcksperT wrote:
He shouldn't have said it.

He shouldn't have denied it.

But this amount of attention paid to some misplaced rage? Wrong.

EG punishing orb for something he said while not representing them, and in some instances before even working with them? Absolutely ludicrous.

I hope people see how far EG is up their own asses. Don't they have a shirt that says "I love bad manners?" Isn't this in line with one of their dumb slogans? Guarantee if the community had reacted positively to his comments EG would have a shirt out the next day "Cannon rush? Dumb Nigger Risk."


In the real world you can get punished at your job for something you did outside that job. He always represents EG no matter what he is doing. It makes EG look bad and I would be surprised they don't take any action.
To unpathed waters, undreamed shores. - Shakespeare
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 02:33:04
March 09 2012 02:32 GMT
#1415
On March 09 2012 11:30 MWY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:27 jtixs wrote:
This is a ridiculous discussion

This incident does not effect "professional image of gamers" or "growing esports" all that matters for that is traffic data.
Orb is a good caster, what he says in his personal stream has no relevance to esports.

This is just a way for all the TL imbeciles to have a big circle jerk and act all self righteous and it
is disgusting to try and ruin someone for your own pleasure.

Everyone acting all hurt over this needs to grow up.


So true.


Not true.


Soloturtle
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada333 Posts
March 09 2012 02:32 GMT
#1416
Anyone who has watched his stream knows that he BM's his opponent calling them stupid or like terran op and all that jazz.
What I'm surprised is that team EG didn't know about this and how he himself defended by not doing any of this nonsense,
Not a smart move by orb at all.
Cool
Amlitzer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States471 Posts
March 09 2012 02:32 GMT
#1417
Get with the time Orb, we don't call them "niggers" anymore. Instead we call them "redguards" now.
"Not even justice, I want to get truth!"
Sky0
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States214 Posts
March 09 2012 02:33 GMT
#1418
The dude obviously has talent as a caster but has no respect for people and the position he gained. His actions for the past couple years have been unacceptable and anyone who has been on the other end of his actions probably feels the same and have no respect for him. I am one of them.
"We are not retreating, we are advancing in another direction"
Gryffes
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom763 Posts
March 09 2012 02:33 GMT
#1419
The bigger part of this issue is that orb didn't just admit to it and apologise, he tried to deny it was him - then the past occurrences were dragged up and it also suggests that he lied to whomever in EG asked him if it was him - when he said it was a "friend" on his account.

If he'd just admitted it was him and apologised profusely instead of acting like the victim this would probably be over already.

www.youtube.com/gryffes - Random Gaming Videos.
Epoch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada257 Posts
March 09 2012 02:34 GMT
#1420
Orb's obviously not racist. Most people that throw the word nigger around aren't. The problem is orb lying about what happened and his justifications and whatnot seemed rather week. He acts like a spoiled child or something. He needs to man the fuck up for his actions and stop acting like a child and raging out at people because he loses games. Serious anger management issues, hypocritical (see comment on jessica's tweets thread), and literally no sense of how you should behave especially if you're looking for a job in an official capacity like working for EG. It's like his brain never processed it might not be good to act like this and say these things. Maybe he'll learn a lesson from all this.

That being said I like orb. Always have, and I still do.
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