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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations.
pepsimaxibon
Profile Joined March 2011
61 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 21:16:02
March 08 2012 21:11 GMT
#1
This has been buried in Orb's Stream thread so I'm gonna recap here as objectively as possible:

Original post on Reddit:

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link to comments

To which Orb originally responds with:

Wouldn't be the first or last time someone impersonates me on ladder.
Just woke up to see this image on reddit. Gotta love people that see a screenshot with no background/proof/context/anything and just start a witchhunt. Wouldn't be the first or last time for r/starcraft


After some scrutiny from Reddit in which they prove it was his account, he edits in:

Edit: yep just keep jumping to conclusions that it was me just because it was on my account. I share my account with 3 other people and anyone that knows me at all knows I only play on my "orb" account when I stream. I play on a smurf at all other times.
Doesn't matter though, reddit witchhunts never listen to logic.


Reddit proceeds to put more heat on, assessing that whoever played on that account had a suspisciously similar playstyle to Orb, played at a Masters level despite not owning their own account, and had his exact hotkey setup. He was also seen to be watching the replay on stream.

Orb reacts to this scrutinty with extreme defensiveness, routinely deploying the word "slander" and accusing anyone who disputed his claims of "fabricating infomation":


Of all fucking people totalbiscuit, I didn't expect you to.join witchhunts slandering people. For the record, I only ever said the n word once on my stream, and I got defeatured for it on TL (despite featured streamer destiny saying the n word daily on his stream).

Since then I have not used the word once on stream..

But please john bain, keep slandering me baselessly.


You seem unbelievably determined to slander me. You link to an empty video and pretend it's proof, and then everyone jumps to conclusions and assumes I deleted it.
Notice not a single person is going so far in their lies as to say they saw me do it live... not only was it not me but i habent even streamed sc2 since most evil genius.
Keep up the baseless slander guys.


At about this point, LiveOnThree was airing, SirScoots felt the need to urgently address the situation due to it boiling over on Reddit (even reaching the front page).

SirScoots stated:

"Jake has said this was not him last night, that he went to bed, that he has a couple of friends who he shared his account with - which obviously he's not supposed to do - and that he woke up to this shit storm.

Now, you all can choose to believe Jake or not. We at EG are all going to believe him, but have told him that if we find out that this is not the case, your story does not flush, and this is your behaviour and you continue to act this way, then you will be very, very quickly removed from our world."


Soon after, a second Reddit thread turned up. With accusations of multiple counts of almost identical language:

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This time, there was evidence enough to incontrovertibly prove it was him.. Despite his attempt to remove the VOD which proved a smoking gun.

Some hours into the thread, Orb issued this apology, purely regarding the second incident. At no point does he make a reference to the original incident or apologise for all those who he accused of "slander".

Alex Garfield Issued a pre-emptive statement:
hey, everyone. alex (ceo of evil geniuses) here.
i'll be making a formal statement about this situation later today. i just wanted to assure everyone that we're aware of these allegations, and that we're taking them very, very seriously.

there will be ramifications here. their severity is something we're still determining, but there's no doubt that the situation requires action on our part.

please try to be patient as we discuss the matter internally.


Shortly after which, a third Reddit thread landed which proved his use of racial slurs on stream:[image loading]

I'll leave you to make your own judgements.
Enzymatic
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1301 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 21:16:32
March 08 2012 21:12 GMT
#2
Who cares? People ladder rage all the time. I guess if you're a part of a known gaming organization such as EG things are a lot different and you have to watch your mouth though (from a sheer PR perspective).. But still, just because you say words like that doesn't mean you're "racist".. Its just being mad and competitive. These allegations seem way over-blown.
"Who hired this awful fountain gunner? He can't hit shit." - Yiss
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
March 08 2012 21:12 GMT
#3
been talked about to death close this thread please
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9110 Posts
March 08 2012 21:13 GMT
#4
Wow someone said bad words during a game on bnet. That's pretty serious.
TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
March 08 2012 21:13 GMT
#5
This matters why? It doesn't. Close.
"Infestors are the suck" - LzGamer
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
March 08 2012 21:13 GMT
#6
wouldnt be the first time an angry kid uses the n word on the internet. is orb that guy who casts those terrible weekly korean games
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 08 2012 21:13 GMT
#7
Wow, had no idea he had such a habit of this. This isn't an isolated incident. He lied to his boss about it, too.

Looks like this ship is sinking. EG management already put faith in him by believing him. Now they look silly to everyone else. I'd say this is pretty over for Orb.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
March 08 2012 21:14 GMT
#8
more drama?

no, please NO.
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
March 08 2012 21:14 GMT
#9
Thank you for this thread with full and neutral context and links.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
March 08 2012 21:14 GMT
#10
Is this necessary?
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
March 08 2012 21:15 GMT
#11
On March 09 2012 06:13 Mohdoo wrote:
Wow, had no idea he had such a habit of this. This isn't an isolated incident. He lied to his boss about it, too.

Looks like this ship is sinking. EG management already put faith in him by believing him. Now they look silly to everyone else. I'd say this is pretty over for Orb.


Yeah the lying to management will be the reason why he's punished, not the word itself hopefully.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 08 2012 21:15 GMT
#12
On March 09 2012 06:12 Enzymatic wrote:
Who cares? People ladder rage all the time. I guess if you're a part of a known gaming organization such as EG things are a lot different and you have to watch your mouth though.. But still, just because you say words like that doesn't mean you're "racist".


It matters because Orb already came out saying it wasn't him, which prompted EG to support him, then it turned out to be a lie. he lied to his organization about it. I also don't think anyone would want to support casting by someone who says this sort of stuff.
BabyGiraldo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States135 Posts
March 08 2012 21:15 GMT
#13
Wow SC2 players are so sensitive... Get on any other console/game and that's completely normal. (If you don't believe me play COD for 5 minutes). It's nice that this is a gm community but jesus this doesn't need it's own thread...
In 1776 all men were created equal, in 1855 all of that changed.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
March 08 2012 21:15 GMT
#14
Who cares? This isn't even on par with casters making controversial statements. This is a person laddering on their own account and BMing. I guarantee nobody would care if he didn't use the word 'nigger.'
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
March 08 2012 21:15 GMT
#15
Since you linked the Reddit post, why don't you just stick to it instead of making a new post here?
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Blezza
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom191 Posts
March 08 2012 21:15 GMT
#16
Damn. I know he rages when he streams but didn't expect this...
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 21:16:59
March 08 2012 21:16 GMT
#17
This isn't Reddit. So why do you bring everything that Reddit cares about to here? You didn't even do anything, you're just reiterating everything from Reddit to here. If people want to talk about it: talk in the two threads that have morphed about orb and racist slurs or sign up to Reddit.
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Pootytang
Profile Joined February 2011
United States37 Posts
March 08 2012 21:16 GMT
#18
To be honest, i feel bad for this guy, when he was casting in NASL i rarely heard of any of this rage etc. Then he cast for EG and these things are popping up everywhere. Also, there are some known pro gamers who also did the same thing, yet the majority of people backed them. This whole situation is just so silly to me, people rage, go look through the many BM threads here, im sure u will find alot worse things.
God gave us a pinky so we can sprint and crouch
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 08 2012 21:16 GMT
#19
On March 09 2012 06:15 BabyGiraldo wrote:
Wow SC2 players are so sensitive... Get on any other console/game and that's completely normal. (If you don't believe me play COD for 5 minutes). It's nice that this is a gm community but jesus this doesn't need it's own thread...


The SC2 scene prides its self in being different from other communities for this reason.
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 21:17:13
March 08 2012 21:16 GMT
#20
its just racist comments dawg... its only a big deal because other people make it a big deal.
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