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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations.
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
March 09 2012 02:39 GMT
#1441
I cared that he lied about it at first. But now I really don't give a shit because reddit is worse than anything Orb could do. To me it seems that, if Orb got fired, it would just be reddit winning a pointless game.
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
March 09 2012 02:39 GMT
#1442
On March 09 2012 11:34 Esorydal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:31 hordala wrote:
what you guys all talking about HE LIED ABOUT THIS he was ASHAMED ENOUGH TO LIE ABOUT THIS before joining EG.


I am a black sc2 player so this is a direct attack on me and you know what I AM deeply offended how can he call himself a PROFFESIONAL CASTER? HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF A PROFFESINAL CASTER LIKE ORB SAID CRACKER ASS WHITE KID? You guys just dont understand this shouldnt be underplayed there needs to be consquences for this , there isnt a place for this kinda racism in proffesional e sports.


I don't think anyone would care if they got called cracker ass white kid. Because those words aren't as emoitionally charged as the n word is.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 09 2012 02:40 GMT
#1443
you guys know artosis used to rage like crazy right? orb fucked up, he shouldn't have done this. but settle down people.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
mrGRAPE
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore293 Posts
March 09 2012 02:40 GMT
#1444
Have you ever wondered why people have to BM so hard on ladder though? Like geez, just take it easy man - watch that blood pressure.
Starcraft 2 and eSports enthusiast. https://twitter.com/#!/mrGRAPETV | http://mrgrapetv.wordpress.com/
Penecks
Profile Joined August 2010
United States600 Posts
March 09 2012 02:40 GMT
#1445
Funny thread, especially considering how many people in this community (as seen in other threads) actually THROW and PHYSICALLY abuse items/themselves when they lose games. From what I've seen he was angry and just lashed out with the most offensive thing he could think of. If he actually did lie about it that's not very smart, but it's possible he was panicking a bit at the moment.

And if someone called me a "whitey cracker bitch" or something similar on the ladder I think I would just burst out laughing IRL, and it would make my victory that much sweeter.
straight poppin
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
March 09 2012 02:40 GMT
#1446
On March 09 2012 11:34 oBlade wrote:
After all, a mob could never be wrong.
Not only it can be wrong, but a mob often does not represent accurately the whole sum of people that it supposedly represents.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Pseudo_Utopia
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada827 Posts
March 09 2012 02:41 GMT
#1447
On March 09 2012 11:10 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Who, the fuck, cares.

I've BM'ed using that word before, although I'm not a racist in any means. It's just part of the NA culture, TONS of people do it.

Even if he is a racist, so what? For EG that obviously hurts their reputation, but the majority of the viewers/players couldn't give less of a fuck.


Why would you routinely use a word that by itself may very well offend any listeners? We have here a word that everyone knows offends a fair amount of people, yet we tell people they are idiots for being offended and that's that? How about just change your cussing vocabulary?

It's interesting. On one side there's a bunch of people saying the word is offensive and refers to what is really an embarassing and painful portion of our history (not even that long ago...), so it shouldn't be used. On the other, more internet-represented side, we have people saying that the word is just a word, that it shouldn't mean what the first group of people say it means. At the end we have a widespread disagreement over the word's meaning, and the flame wars ensue. Yet, what does a word truly mean? Does potato mean a lawnmower just because you decided so? Maybe to you it does, but to many people around you it still means a potato.

In the end, using that word just shows you're so convinced it shouldn't be racist that you're ready to offend people left and right just for that belief. How can such a belief be so strong? Talk about individualistic insensitivity. But being sensitive is being a wimpy faggot these days so what do I know.
Retired SchiSm[LighT]
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
March 09 2012 02:41 GMT
#1448
On March 09 2012 11:39 harlock78 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:30 MWY wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:27 jtixs wrote:
This is a ridiculous discussion

This incident does not effect "professional image of gamers" or "growing esports" all that matters for that is traffic data.
Orb is a good caster, what he says in his personal stream has no relevance to esports.

This is just a way for all the TL imbeciles to have a big circle jerk and act all self righteous and it
is disgusting to try and ruin someone for your own pleasure.

Everyone acting all hurt over this needs to grow up.


So true.


Since you are from Germany, you should try this experiment. Get involved with a large Sc II organization that talks about reaching the mainstream.
Then on your stream repeatedly say things like : "fucking cockroach jew" " go get gas chambered" on several occasions. Tell us what happens. You understand the difference between mainstream and a local country club?


If you want to offend a German, call them a Nazi. That's a serious charge to level against an actual German.
Fireflies
Profile Joined January 2010
United Kingdom211 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 02:42:36
March 09 2012 02:41 GMT
#1449
On March 09 2012 11:29 Esorydal wrote:
people like orb will kill E sports, unproffesionalism has no place in this industry


I agree, it's so much better when Day9 won't talk about masturbation on an airplane because it might incite an angry reddit mob and all you can get out of Artosis is "Nestea/Clide/MVP is so good right now I'm getting nerd chills all down my spine". Bah, I'd rather have a discussion about monkey milk.
One giant leap for mankind
knOxStarcraft
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada422 Posts
March 09 2012 02:42 GMT
#1450
Ok lets stop pretending like orb saying nigger on the fucking LADDER on HIS OWN stream is the big issue here, because it isn't.

There are a couple of reasons why it isn't:
1. He acted as he did on his own stream which has no affiliation with EG.
2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he acted the way he did before he was even at the EG Lair. His casting for EG, from what I saw was very proffesional and well done.

The BIG problem I see here is the fact that he lied to his boss about something they specifically asked him about. That being said I'd ask everyone reading this to look at it from his point of view. He was being questioned my people who he was just hired by and "hunted" by the reddit pitchfork crew of overly dramatic and highly over-sensitive teens. Given that situation I'm positive many of you would lie aswell.

Of course doing it two more times and writing a half assed apology on reddit don't help his cause but I do think this is being blown out of proportion, and it needs to stop. The starcraft community is already too sensitive towards these kind of things and threads like this just fuel the fire.
FeUerFlieGe
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1193 Posts
March 09 2012 02:42 GMT
#1451
On March 09 2012 11:38 Gheed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:37 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:34 DR.Ham wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:27 jtixs wrote:
This is a ridiculous discussion

This incident does not effect "professional image of gamers" or "growing esports" all that matters for that is traffic data.
Orb is a good caster, what he says in his personal stream has no relevance to esports.

This is just a way for all the TL imbeciles to have a big circle jerk and act all self righteous and it
is disgusting to try and ruin someone for your own pleasure.

Everyone acting all hurt over this needs to grow up.


I believe that you are completely wrong. In any other non-esports public sphere, we would not be having this discussion, because he would have been fired by now. If this was a TV sports caster, a news reporter, politician or any other public figure, they would be fired, dead in the water and NOBODY would be defending them publicly. The fact people are defending him just shows how immature the scene really is.


This is spot on. Remember Tiger Woods? Or a more recent example: Rush Liimbaugh.


Because Tiger was forced to quit golfing and Rush was forced to stop being a windbag.

Oh, wait.


They apologized... they still lost a lot of credibility.
To unpathed waters, undreamed shores. - Shakespeare
Chessz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States644 Posts
March 09 2012 02:42 GMT
#1452
Regards to orb, who like many young people, are learning to deal with mistakes, and realizing how critical language is (even past language). I encourage you all to read this blog post and I take my leave:

http://finenessandaccuracy.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/i-dont-care-if-youre-offended/
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
March 09 2012 02:42 GMT
#1453
There should be a poll in the OP
ggaemo fan
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
March 09 2012 02:43 GMT
#1454
On March 09 2012 11:42 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:38 Gheed wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:37 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:34 DR.Ham wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:27 jtixs wrote:
This is a ridiculous discussion

This incident does not effect "professional image of gamers" or "growing esports" all that matters for that is traffic data.
Orb is a good caster, what he says in his personal stream has no relevance to esports.

This is just a way for all the TL imbeciles to have a big circle jerk and act all self righteous and it
is disgusting to try and ruin someone for your own pleasure.

Everyone acting all hurt over this needs to grow up.


I believe that you are completely wrong. In any other non-esports public sphere, we would not be having this discussion, because he would have been fired by now. If this was a TV sports caster, a news reporter, politician or any other public figure, they would be fired, dead in the water and NOBODY would be defending them publicly. The fact people are defending him just shows how immature the scene really is.


This is spot on. Remember Tiger Woods? Or a more recent example: Rush Liimbaugh.


Because Tiger was forced to quit golfing and Rush was forced to stop being a windbag.

Oh, wait.


They apologized... they still lost a lot of credibility.


and a shitload of sponsors
Equity213
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada873 Posts
March 09 2012 02:43 GMT
#1455
People using slurs in moments of anger doesnt bother me. A bunch of self rightous nobodies on the internet constantly trying to ruin peoples lives does.

And quit trying to pretend that the only reason SC2 isnt on ESPN is because some folks say the N word once in a while. The SC2 community is by far the most GM of any gaming community I have ever seen, I assure you thats not whats holding it back.

Alot of people are pointing out what all this says about Orbs character, and its totally true. But because he has insecurites and charcter flaws does that give u the right to ruin his life?

The only people who should be ashamed of themselves here are the ones calling for blood. I hope you face just as much hate if you ever say something stupid.
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
March 09 2012 02:44 GMT
#1456
On March 09 2012 11:42 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:38 Gheed wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:37 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:34 DR.Ham wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:27 jtixs wrote:
This is a ridiculous discussion

This incident does not effect "professional image of gamers" or "growing esports" all that matters for that is traffic data.
Orb is a good caster, what he says in his personal stream has no relevance to esports.

This is just a way for all the TL imbeciles to have a big circle jerk and act all self righteous and it
is disgusting to try and ruin someone for your own pleasure.

Everyone acting all hurt over this needs to grow up.


I believe that you are completely wrong. In any other non-esports public sphere, we would not be having this discussion, because he would have been fired by now. If this was a TV sports caster, a news reporter, politician or any other public figure, they would be fired, dead in the water and NOBODY would be defending them publicly. The fact people are defending him just shows how immature the scene really is.


This is spot on. Remember Tiger Woods? Or a more recent example: Rush Liimbaugh.


Because Tiger was forced to quit golfing and Rush was forced to stop being a windbag.

Oh, wait.


They apologized... they still lost a lot of credibility.


No they didn't. Tiger can fuck as many people he wants and nobody cares. Rush can say whatever stupid shit he wants and nobody cares because that's just what he does. If you're asking Orb to give a fake, forced apology for the sake of appearances, why even bother?
Nethune
Profile Joined February 2012
United States22 Posts
March 09 2012 02:44 GMT
#1457
Just because he's not at an EG house, doesn't mean he wasn't on team EG at the time. And, at least I believe this applies, if you have a job at a team, or anywhere, then you're behavior is representative of that team. I'm honestly surprised the CEO of team EG hasn't fired Orb yet. People need to learn to control their rage. Especially when it's just on ladder.
StarCraft II, the greatest thing ever invented.
Crue
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia47 Posts
March 09 2012 02:44 GMT
#1458
i never knew orb was actually this entertaining
Self improvement is Maturbation
BoxingKangaroo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Japan955 Posts
March 09 2012 02:44 GMT
#1459
On March 09 2012 11:38 magnaflow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:29 Esorydal wrote:
people like orb will kill E sports, unproffesionalism has no place in this industry



LOL. Go watch HoN/Dota/LoL, any other game. The language those players/casters use makes this look like small potatoes.

It's people like you that will kill e-sports. People like you who cry bloody murder whenever anyone in the e-sports scene crosses the street when it doesn't say walk.



If that is in fact true, then HoN/Dota/LoL will be even further behind SC2 in getting themselves mainstream support. You really want a caster to use racist words when watching at a Barcraft? Would end that bar's support of the event pretty damn quick.
guluru
Profile Joined August 2010
United States83 Posts
March 09 2012 02:45 GMT
#1460
I think this community should watch Louis C. K.
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