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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations.
guluru
Profile Joined August 2010
United States83 Posts
March 09 2012 02:50 GMT
#1481
On March 09 2012 11:49 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:45 guluru wrote:
I think this community should watch Louis C. K.



You mean this?

Poker Game / Faggot


Yea. They should watch the stand up where he goes over this language
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
March 09 2012 02:50 GMT
#1482
I can't believe this dude, who is awesome caster, will lose his job over this... as avid stream watcher I heard all kind of rage from many pro gamers and almost no one cared and now we, as community, decide to start witch-hunt because dude used "N word" in couple of games before he even started working for EG.

I am becoming bad person because of anger I feel for double standards... "Engage fully and absolutely political correctness because of N word... but hey, lets laugh when our favorite streamers use words like "fag" "ma nigga" "retard" in matches streamed to thousands of people... etc" - that is how I see all of you two-faced whiners. What's next? Orb 2012 youtube spam? God almighty...

P.S.
I am not Orb's fanboi or something, barely knew about him before he got EG job - I do like his casting tho.
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
March 09 2012 02:51 GMT
#1483
Poll: What should happen to Orb?

Fired (92)
 
44%

Nothing (81)
 
39%

Suspended, but he can come back. (35)
 
17%

208 total votes

Your vote: What should happen to Orb?

(Vote): Nothing
(Vote): Fired
(Vote): Suspended, but he can come back.


FeUerFlieGe
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1193 Posts
March 09 2012 02:51 GMT
#1484
On March 09 2012 11:44 Gheed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:42 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:38 Gheed wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:37 FeUerFlieGe wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:34 DR.Ham wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:27 jtixs wrote:
This is a ridiculous discussion

This incident does not effect "professional image of gamers" or "growing esports" all that matters for that is traffic data.
Orb is a good caster, what he says in his personal stream has no relevance to esports.

This is just a way for all the TL imbeciles to have a big circle jerk and act all self righteous and it
is disgusting to try and ruin someone for your own pleasure.

Everyone acting all hurt over this needs to grow up.


I believe that you are completely wrong. In any other non-esports public sphere, we would not be having this discussion, because he would have been fired by now. If this was a TV sports caster, a news reporter, politician or any other public figure, they would be fired, dead in the water and NOBODY would be defending them publicly. The fact people are defending him just shows how immature the scene really is.


This is spot on. Remember Tiger Woods? Or a more recent example: Rush Liimbaugh.


Because Tiger was forced to quit golfing and Rush was forced to stop being a windbag.

Oh, wait.


They apologized... they still lost a lot of credibility.


No they didn't. Tiger can fuck as many people he wants and nobody cares. Rush can say whatever stupid shit he wants and nobody cares because that's just what he does. If you're asking Orb to give a fake, forced apology for the sake of appearances, why even bother?


I would find it hard to give a forced fake apology about what he did, not so much from the racial remarks as from the lies. The lies are what dug the hole. We want an apology, forced or not. He can at least put some effort into showing that he cares about his job and position with EG. If he doesn't care enough to at least ask for forgiveness in whatever manner he wants, then he probably doesn't care about his reputation either.
To unpathed waters, undreamed shores. - Shakespeare
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 02:52:48
March 09 2012 02:52 GMT
#1485
On March 09 2012 11:51 dsousa wrote:
Poll: What should happen to Orb?

Fired (92)
 
44%

Nothing (81)
 
39%

Suspended, but he can come back. (35)
 
17%

208 total votes

Your vote: What should happen to Orb?

(Vote): Nothing
(Vote): Fired
(Vote): Suspended, but he can come back.




You should add the option, "Apologize formally, life goes on."
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
March 09 2012 02:52 GMT
#1486
On March 09 2012 11:46 Esk23 wrote:
Why is "nigger" more emotionally charged for black people than cracker ass white boy is for white people? Blacks today didn't go through slavery. I'd understand if it were this way back during slavery when there were actually blacks who were slaves but this doesn't exist in today's age. I really think people need to just calm down and relax and don't take life so seriously. Chill.


You should know that the n-word came into prominence in the year's after slavery. So it's tied to institutionalized racism (Blacks didn't even get equal rights 'on paper' until the 60s) more so than slavery.

Blacks also never stopped being the minority in the US; nor discriminated against, as the Harvard resume study proved (and that was released 2011 I believe). So saying Black people need to be like White people and shrug off derogatory slurs is pretty ignorant.
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
March 09 2012 02:53 GMT
#1487
On March 09 2012 11:52 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:51 dsousa wrote:
Poll: What should happen to Orb?

Fired (92)
 
44%

Nothing (81)
 
39%

Suspended, but he can come back. (35)
 
17%

208 total votes

Your vote: What should happen to Orb?

(Vote): Nothing
(Vote): Fired
(Vote): Suspended, but he can come back.




You should add the option, "Apologize formally, move on."


aka nothing..... saying sorry is not a punishment.
BoxingKangaroo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Japan955 Posts
March 09 2012 02:53 GMT
#1488
On March 09 2012 11:50 whiterabbit wrote:
I can't believe this dude, who is awesome caster, will lose his job over this... as avid stream watcher I heard all kind of rage from many pro gamers and almost no one cared and now we, as community, decide to start witch-hunt because dude used "N word" in couple of games before he even started working for EG.

I am becoming bad person because of anger I feel for double standards... "Engage fully and absolutely political correctness because of N word... but hey, lets laugh when our favorite streamers use words like "fag" "ma nigga" "retard" in matches streamed to thousands of people... etc" - that is how I see all of you two-faced whiners. What's next? Orb 2012 youtube spam? God almighty...

P.S.
I am not Orb's fanboi or something, barely knew about him before he got EG job - I do like his casting tho.


Never heard my favourite streamers use those terms. Who the hell do you listen to?
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
March 09 2012 02:53 GMT
#1489
On March 09 2012 11:44 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:38 magnaflow wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:29 Esorydal wrote:
people like orb will kill E sports, unproffesionalism has no place in this industry



LOL. Go watch HoN/Dota/LoL, any other game. The language those players/casters use makes this look like small potatoes.

It's people like you that will kill e-sports. People like you who cry bloody murder whenever anyone in the e-sports scene crosses the street when it doesn't say walk.



If that is in fact true, then HoN/Dota/LoL will be even further behind SC2 in getting themselves mainstream support. You really want a caster to use racist words when watching at a Barcraft? Would end that bar's support of the event pretty damn quick.



I'm sorry, did Orb say these things while he was casting? No he didn't.
`dunedain
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
655 Posts
March 09 2012 02:53 GMT
#1490
Dundundunn..
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, TL's gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust
"In order to be created, a work of art must first make use of the dark forces of the soul." ~Albert Camus
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
March 09 2012 02:54 GMT
#1491
On March 09 2012 11:49 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:48 Kuja wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:45 Klondikebar wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:43 Equity213 wrote:
People using slurs in moments of anger doesnt bother me. A bunch of self rightous nobodies on the internet constantly trying to ruin peoples lives does.

And quit trying to pretend that the only reason SC2 isnt on ESPN is because some folks say the N word once in a while. The SC2 community is by far the most GM of any gaming community I have ever seen, I assure you thats not whats holding it back.

Alot of people are pointing out what all this says about Orbs character, and its totally true. But because he has insecurites and charcter flaws does that give u the right to ruin his life?

The only people who should be ashamed of themselves here are the ones calling for blood. I hope you face just as much hate if you ever say something stupid.


It's reasonable to expect an adult to be a bigot zero times in their life. It is also reasonable to expect an adult to lie to their employer zero times in their life. This isn't just a mistake or a character flaw.


Also, are people forgetting TL has punished Orb for his racism before? It's not like this is one mistake. He KNOWS he's not supposed to do this.

But what if they are born that way, its not their fault, its natural, they are born that way!!


noone is born a racist/homophobe or in general a bigot.
Huh, so your telling me if a child grows up in a racist culture and is taught that its good and fine all their life that hating those ethnic groups is the good and noble thing to do, they are not effectively born that way? can you please give some support for your broad, moronic statements?
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
Bart
Profile Joined November 2010
494 Posts
March 09 2012 02:54 GMT
#1492
Where is the official statement from EG as promised by Alex??? Why is it taking so long?!?!? I'm bored of clicking refresh.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Fan of: MKP, Select, MC, Kripp, Purge, JP, Qpad Red Pandas
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
March 09 2012 02:54 GMT
#1493
On March 09 2012 11:41 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:39 harlock78 wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:30 MWY wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:27 jtixs wrote:
This is a ridiculous discussion

This incident does not effect "professional image of gamers" or "growing esports" all that matters for that is traffic data.
Orb is a good caster, what he says in his personal stream has no relevance to esports.

This is just a way for all the TL imbeciles to have a big circle jerk and act all self righteous and it
is disgusting to try and ruin someone for your own pleasure.

Everyone acting all hurt over this needs to grow up.


So true.


Since you are from Germany, you should try this experiment. Get involved with a large Sc II organization that talks about reaching the mainstream.
Then on your stream repeatedly say things like : "fucking cockroach jew" " go get gas chambered" on several occasions. Tell us what happens. You understand the difference between mainstream and a local country club?


If you want to offend a German, call them a Nazi. That's a serious charge to level against an actual German.


That's the common belief it seems. Everyone who wants to insult germans just calls them Nazis. As a matter of fact its a lot more annoying than it is insulting. Don't think that many germans really feel offended by being called Nazis. What bothers me the most about online nazi flames is actually the neverending capslock spam. You could spam me with any random word to accomplish that though.
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
March 09 2012 02:54 GMT
#1494
On March 09 2012 11:53 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:50 whiterabbit wrote:
I can't believe this dude, who is awesome caster, will lose his job over this... as avid stream watcher I heard all kind of rage from many pro gamers and almost no one cared and now we, as community, decide to start witch-hunt because dude used "N word" in couple of games before he even started working for EG.

I am becoming bad person because of anger I feel for double standards... "Engage fully and absolutely political correctness because of N word... but hey, lets laugh when our favorite streamers use words like "fag" "ma nigga" "retard" in matches streamed to thousands of people... etc" - that is how I see all of you two-faced whiners. What's next? Orb 2012 youtube spam? God almighty...

P.S.
I am not Orb's fanboi or something, barely knew about him before he got EG job - I do like his casting tho.


Never heard my favourite streamers use those terms. Who the hell do you listen to?


I didn't know Mel Gibson was casting games now.
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
March 09 2012 02:55 GMT
#1495
On March 09 2012 11:53 `dunedain wrote:
Dundundunn..
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, TL's gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust



Fuck, this shit is making the battle-net forums look better then TL or reddit. C'mon TL, close this shit already.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
March 09 2012 02:55 GMT
#1496
On March 09 2012 11:50 FYRE wrote:
whats wrong with saying nigger? dont see y ppl are gettin so mad bout it


It's the context in what he said it using it as a derogatory term. Is actually deplorable
Never GG MKP | IdrA
magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
March 09 2012 02:55 GMT
#1497
On March 09 2012 11:54 Bart wrote:
Where is the official statement from EG as promised by Alex??? Why is it taking so long?!?!? I'm bored of clicking refresh.



They have probably realized that this issue is alot smaller then the witch hunters are making it out to be.
ranshaked
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States870 Posts
March 09 2012 02:56 GMT
#1498
If Orb currently has a job (not quite sure), then he should be fired. Look at radio personalities and other public figures that have been fired over much less. The N word is NOT a word to play around with, it is one of the most hurtful and racially charged words out there. Then to use the F word, putrid slang for a homosexual is just icing on the cake.

Dear Orb,
You deserve to be fired. This isn't childs' play. If anyone wants e-sports to EVER be taken serious, then this type of stuff (and the slayers_jessica) stuff cannot happen!

Sincerely,
ranshaked
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
March 09 2012 02:56 GMT
#1499
On March 09 2012 11:54 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:41 Defacer wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:39 harlock78 wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:30 MWY wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:27 jtixs wrote:
This is a ridiculous discussion

This incident does not effect "professional image of gamers" or "growing esports" all that matters for that is traffic data.
Orb is a good caster, what he says in his personal stream has no relevance to esports.

This is just a way for all the TL imbeciles to have a big circle jerk and act all self righteous and it
is disgusting to try and ruin someone for your own pleasure.

Everyone acting all hurt over this needs to grow up.


So true.


Since you are from Germany, you should try this experiment. Get involved with a large Sc II organization that talks about reaching the mainstream.
Then on your stream repeatedly say things like : "fucking cockroach jew" " go get gas chambered" on several occasions. Tell us what happens. You understand the difference between mainstream and a local country club?


If you want to offend a German, call them a Nazi. That's a serious charge to level against an actual German.


That's the common belief it seems. Everyone who wants to insult germans just calls them Nazis. As a matter of fact its a lot more annoying than it is insulting. Don't think that many germans really feel offended by being called Nazis. What bothers me the most about online nazi flames is actually the neverending capslock spam. You could spam me with any random word to accomplish that though.


Replace "german" with "black guy" and "nazi" with "nigger" and this is still true. Nobody actually cares about what people say online.
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 02:58:28
March 09 2012 02:57 GMT
#1500
On March 09 2012 11:50 whiterabbit wrote:
I can't believe this dude, who is awesome caster, will lose his job over this... as avid stream watcher I heard all kind of rage from many pro gamers and almost no one cared and now we, as community, decide to start witch-hunt because dude used "N word" in couple of games before he even started working for EG.

I am becoming bad person because of anger I feel for double standards... "Engage fully and absolutely political correctness because of N word... but hey, lets laugh when our favorite streamers use words like "fag" "ma nigga" "retard" in matches streamed to thousands of people... etc" - that is how I see all of you two-faced whiners. What's next? Orb 2012 youtube spam? God almighty...

P.S.
I am not Orb's fanboi or something, barely knew about him before he got EG job - I do like his casting tho.


I have never heard Day9, Wheat, Tastosis, Husky, JP use any of those words when streaming.
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