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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations.
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
March 09 2012 03:03 GMT
#1521
I pray for the day when people stop choosing to be offended; such a waste of time and energy. Do something about it, but don't announce it like those cool people that announce their charity and such.
Skype: divito7
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
March 09 2012 03:03 GMT
#1522
Should be suspended for lying about it, but he said the word on his own personal stream and there should be no professionalism standards for him there.
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
March 09 2012 03:04 GMT
#1523
You know what, if I ever decide to get into E-sports I'm going to fucking abuse the shit out of the reddit/TL/interwebs/etc. ignorant bandwagoning psychology.

Gain 50 000 anti-fans for a racial slur? For casters fame is everything; so some bad, but most good.

Become known to 346343762472 people who didn't even know my existence for a racial slur? Fuck yah, again please.


NOTE TO ALL CASTERS/PLAYERS: WHILE YOU STILL CAN, MAKE MORE DRAMA, FAKE/CREATE/INITIATE/LEAD THE WITCHHUNT, AND GAIN POPULARITY/FAME WHICH TRANSLATE INTO MORE $$$ LATER. DO IT, DO IT NOW, YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO.

User was temp banned for this post.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
March 09 2012 03:04 GMT
#1524
On March 09 2012 12:02 Zeevo wrote:
Emailed NAACP
Talked to Obama
Working on new legislation for congress
Starcraft 2 chat removed option sent to blizzard

anything else im missing?

CENSOR EVERYTHING
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
DR.Ham
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands621 Posts
March 09 2012 03:04 GMT
#1525
On March 09 2012 12:00 densha wrote:
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) that there are people posting here who just don't understand how offensive it is to watch a privileged white kid throw around a word that was forged in human bondage and suffering so freely. He chose to use the most offensive, taboo word in the English language to express simple ladder rage. He literally could have picked anything else to say, even "cunt" obviously doesn't have the history of the N word. It's the history that matters, folks, and the fact that Orb apparently has no regard for such things.

Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing but that doesn't mean you're free of the consequences of your speech. If Orb ever casts again, the chat will be constant N word references. He'll always be known (as South Park puts it) as "that nigger guy". Every time I see his face, it will be difficult to take him seriously or not think of the controversy. Is anyone really going to want him casting their games now? Can he serve as the face of an organization now? I do not think so, and that's simply the reality of a "public" figure using the N word and getting caught.


So much truth written so concisely. Great post.
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
March 09 2012 03:04 GMT
#1526
On March 09 2012 12:02 Zeevo wrote:
Emailed NAACP
Talked to Obama
Working on new legislation for congress
Starcraft 2 chat removed option sent to blizzard

anything else im missing?


You forgot the United Nations Human Rights Council.
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
March 09 2012 03:04 GMT
#1527
No matter how this turns out. After this he is gonna be known as the guy who caused the N* shitstorm for a long time. Maybe thats punishment enough.
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
March 09 2012 03:05 GMT
#1528
If any of these conversations happened after he was hired by EG, then I do think a punishment should be given. If they occurred before he was hired, then I don't think anything should be done to him.

While racist remarks and racism have no place in today's society, it is inevitable, especially when so many people say these things so nonchalantly
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson
drbrown
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden442 Posts
March 09 2012 03:05 GMT
#1529
On March 09 2012 10:54 Chessz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 10:47 zodde wrote:
Yeah because people saying nigger on stream is SO OFFENSIVE, get over it lol. It doesn't matter to anyone.


It seems like Swedish people have said a lot of ignorant things in this thread. or they are fantastic trolls?? I guess I thought Sweden was a little more progressive than this..


Not really, but you just came out as ignorant by judging a country based on what i assume is maybe... 5 posts?
I'm probably being ironic
Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
March 09 2012 03:05 GMT
#1530
These comments don't make orb racist, they just mean that he gets angry at the game sometimes....And I think that all of us are guilty of doing that at one point
kobrakai
Profile Joined June 2011
175 Posts
March 09 2012 03:05 GMT
#1531
On March 09 2012 12:00 densha wrote:
He chose to use the most offensive, taboo word in the English language to express simple ladder rage.


lol.... just lol
JrClimbers
Profile Joined April 2011
57 Posts
March 09 2012 03:06 GMT
#1532
Why is this even being discussed. It's so trivial.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
March 09 2012 03:07 GMT
#1533
Provided that: You want eSports to gain mainstream legitimacy and...
Provided that: Orb is responsible for these comments

Then EG should fire Orb, because these comments are completely unacceptable. In the US, you cannot say things like this without repercussions. Maybe some day it'll lose its bite, but that day is not now. Representatives of our community simply can't make statements like this, whether on ladder, or in a cast it doesn't matter.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
March 09 2012 03:08 GMT
#1534
On March 09 2012 12:07 tree.hugger wrote:
Provided that: You want eSports to gain mainstream legitimacy and...
Provided that: Orb is responsible for these comments

Then EG should fire Orb, because these comments are completely unacceptable. In the US, you cannot say things like this without repercussions. Maybe some day it'll lose its bite, but that day is not now. Representatives of our community simply can't make statements like this, whether on ladder, or in a cast it doesn't matter.
This isn't the "US" this is the internet. Lol
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
March 09 2012 03:09 GMT
#1535
On March 09 2012 11:54 Kuja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 11:49 Zaros wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:48 Kuja wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:45 Klondikebar wrote:
On March 09 2012 11:43 Equity213 wrote:
People using slurs in moments of anger doesnt bother me. A bunch of self rightous nobodies on the internet constantly trying to ruin peoples lives does.

And quit trying to pretend that the only reason SC2 isnt on ESPN is because some folks say the N word once in a while. The SC2 community is by far the most GM of any gaming community I have ever seen, I assure you thats not whats holding it back.

Alot of people are pointing out what all this says about Orbs character, and its totally true. But because he has insecurites and charcter flaws does that give u the right to ruin his life?

The only people who should be ashamed of themselves here are the ones calling for blood. I hope you face just as much hate if you ever say something stupid.


It's reasonable to expect an adult to be a bigot zero times in their life. It is also reasonable to expect an adult to lie to their employer zero times in their life. This isn't just a mistake or a character flaw.


Also, are people forgetting TL has punished Orb for his racism before? It's not like this is one mistake. He KNOWS he's not supposed to do this.

But what if they are born that way, its not their fault, its natural, they are born that way!!


noone is born a racist/homophobe or in general a bigot.
Huh, so your telling me if a child grows up in a racist culture and is taught that its good and fine all their life that hating those ethnic groups is the good and noble thing to do, they are not effectively born that way? can you please give some support for your broad, moronic statements?

He said no one was BORN a racist, homophobe, or bigot.
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson
quaffle
Profile Joined December 2010
United States249 Posts
March 09 2012 03:09 GMT
#1536
You are an idiot, orb. You are a public image in e-Sports and you expect it to grow under actions like this? Grow up... and take some anger management courses. I pray EG gives you another chance, you should too.
Your success is only measured by the strength of your competitors.
Heston
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada18 Posts
March 09 2012 03:09 GMT
#1537
On March 09 2012 11:59 GertHeart wrote:
I'm personally tired of nigger being used as a way to call people racist. It's a word people may use in rage and have no indication of race or color. There are slaves in the world right this day that are of all skin and color, of almost all nationalities and even slaves in America still to this day. Seriously, I don't like Destiny much, but he's right in one part using the word nigger doesn't have to be racist, I can ALSO say racist things without using the N word and make it sound much worse than if I were to use the N word.

I wish people would stop this, personally though, he shouldn't be using that language on stream when he is related to EG, it does slander their name, this isn't like Idra rage, this is unprofessional, unless EG allows this behavior, which personally, I don't see this staining EG, EG has always been known more as the bad boys in the industry anyway.


Pretty sure the way Orb used the N word is still offensive considering he's using it as a demeaning adjective...
I Know Chicken
Dubsy
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada186 Posts
March 09 2012 03:09 GMT
#1538
Haha wasnt it like 2 weeks ago a relatively unknown caster got crucified for implying someone who was proven to be a stream cheater MIGHT be a stream cheater? I mean that was a bonehead move but this is miles worse for a guy who's on the front lines with EG. Dude Reaaallly needs to get shit canned if EG wants to save some face. I mean the racist bullshit is bad enough ( you shouldnt rage like that if you're in the spotlight; period.) but denying is just such a bush league move.

If they don't end up axing him, I hope the next EG shirt says "risk taking dumb nigger!" cuz that's the only way I'd buy another EG product.
With a right-left, right-left you're toothless, And then you say "Goddamn they ruthless!"
LeGendzErg
Profile Joined January 2012
United States37 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 03:15:23
March 09 2012 03:10 GMT
#1539
orbs done a bunch of stuff like this on his stream before, i mean its understandable if destiny uses nigger in like a joke or something but hes just raging and being a 12 year old kid i mean i rage sometimes too but i don't call someone a dumb nigger and start flipping tables, he is just a kid who doesnt realize how lucky he is to get to cast sc2 and be payed for it, he definitely doesn't deserve a second chance
-LeGendzErg 647
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 03:11:23
March 09 2012 03:10 GMT
#1540
On March 09 2012 12:08 Kuja wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 12:07 tree.hugger wrote:
Provided that: You want eSports to gain mainstream legitimacy and...
Provided that: Orb is responsible for these comments

Then EG should fire Orb, because these comments are completely unacceptable. In the US, you cannot say things like this without repercussions. Maybe some day it'll lose its bite, but that day is not now. Representatives of our community simply can't make statements like this, whether on ladder, or in a cast it doesn't matter.
This isn't the "US" this is the internet. Lol

Doesn't work that way. Real life happens sometimes.
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