EPTOn March 09 2012 12:17 Esk23 wrote:
I don't think so, that was the 1960s this is the year 2012.
I don't think so, that was the 1960s this is the year 2012.
You speak as if people who lived in 1960 don't exist today. Or that racism ended in 1960.
Orb, racist remarks on ladder and personal stream - Page 79
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
You speak as if people who lived in 1960 don't exist today. Or that racism ended in 1960. | ||
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:12 whiterabbit wrote: "Penalty wise" It should matter if he used that dreadful word in his personal stream or while in middle of EG cast. It should matter if he did what he did while being official employee for EG organization or weeks/months before he got job (and I am sure EG was aware of his general anger issues)... etc. And btw, this is the internet - not the US. Lol "this is the internet". Where we... Talk in English, play an american made game, with our american processors, our american mice, on an american software system (iOs/Win), whilst discussing american movies. You soak up more about the US on the web/tv than any other country. But still be total oblivious to the fact that calling someone the n-word doesn't have repercussions. I bet you know when to use it and when you don't. Wether you're from the internet or another country :p | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:13 Zzoram wrote: They are all out of line. I don't know what world you live in where "faggot" is acceptable to say. Plenty of professionals use "faggot" while streaming. None of them have gotten this kind of attention for it. Doesn't that suggest that the community deems it acceptable? | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:17 Esk23 wrote: I don't think so, that was the 1960s this is the year 2012. No trust Wuster, he's right. I heard White people are still pretty powerful in the US. | ||
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Catchafire2000
United States227 Posts
E-SPORTS!!! | ||
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Ferric
United States22 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:13 Zzoram wrote: They are all out of line. I don't know what world you live in where "faggot" is acceptable to say. Ever walked on a high school campus? Been to a live sporting event? At this point faggot (originally a bundle of sticks right?) just means idiot, not homosexual, at least from how I've seen it used (faggot southpark episode ftw). | ||
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Kich
United States339 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:14 Kuja wrote: Yes, if it happened in the real world, but it happened through the medium of the internet. So the repercussions are inherently tied to the internet and its culture. Are you fucking sitting here and genuinely trying to argue that, if I opened up my own stream, had some number of people watching it, and wrote the word nigger--which those people saw, it did not happen in real life? Like me, on that same stream, saying nigger on the mic is more of a real thing? What in the fuck? ..What? | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:19 synapse wrote: Plenty of professionals use "faggot" while streaming. None of them have gotten this kind of attention for it. Doesn't that suggest that the community deems it acceptable? No. It's not acceptable. And I think you'll notice that prominent people who used it in the past no longer use it. And they might not have gotten a huge shit storm about it but that doesn't make it ok. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:19 synapse wrote: Plenty of professionals use "faggot" while streaming. None of them have gotten this kind of attention for it. Doesn't that suggest that the community deems it acceptable? Perhaps? It's still wrong. I haven't heard it personally on any streams but I don't doubt that it's come up a few times. It should be punished and banned. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:19 Ferric wrote: Ever walked on a high school campus? Been to a live sporting event? At this point faggot (originally a bundle of sticks right?) just means idiot, not homosexual, at least from how I've seen it used (faggot southpark episode ftw). The history of the word is that gay people used to be burned to death by being tossed into a bundle of kindling. | ||
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densha
United States797 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:12 synapse wrote: Why is "nigger" considered out of line when "faggot" and "homo" aren't? He's not directing them at a person who he knows is black (presumably)--they're all just words that have come to have very general negative connotations. I mean, I don't support orb for saying that kind of stuff (at least IdrA is somewhat creative in his rage), but isn't this kind of a double standard? It is a double standard to a point. I personally dislike the use of "gay", "homo", and "faggot" as insults and I cringe when they are used whether IRL or on the internet. Having said that, though, the N word has a very specific history in the US that forever ties it to slavery. Whether you think it's just another word or you're offended by it is most likely determined by whether you understand that historical reference. So while the sexual epithets are offensive and hurtful, they aren't tied directly to an era when an entire people were subjugated and abused by their fellow Americans. | ||
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Typhon
United States387 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:19 Catchafire2000 wrote: If saying NIGGER isn't such a big deal, then why bother to say it to begin with... Especially in the context it was said. You mean to tell me that Orb has such a limited vocabulary that he couldn't have used another word?!?! Just last week the Fighting game community was slammed over its treatment of players during a reality show and Kotaku was all over that shit. Why don't they cover this shit as well? E-SPORTS!!! Actually in that discussion, Starcraft was specifically mentioned as a community that wasn't a bunch of immature pricks. | ||
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:19 Defacer wrote: No trust Wuster, he's right. I heard White people are still pretty powerful in the US. Yea, isnt one of them our president? | ||
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oBlade
United States6453 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:20 Klondikebar wrote: No. It's not acceptable. And I think you'll notice that prominent people who used it in the past no longer use it. And they might not have gotten a huge shit storm about it but that doesn't make it ok. Neither does receiving a shitstorm mean you did anything wrong. | ||
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:00 densha wrote: I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) that there are people posting here who just don't understand how offensive it is to watch a privileged white kid throw around a word that was forged in human bondage and suffering so freely. He chose to use the most offensive, taboo word in the English language to express simple ladder rage. He literally could have picked anything else to say, even "cunt" obviously doesn't have the history of the N word. It's the history that matters, folks, and the fact that Orb apparently has no regard for such things. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing but that doesn't mean you're free of the consequences of your speech. If Orb ever casts again, the chat will be constant N word references. He'll always be known (as South Park puts it) as "that nigger guy". Every time I see his face, it will be difficult to take him seriously or not think of the controversy. Is anyone really going to want him casting their games now? Can he serve as the face of an organization now? I do not think so, and that's simply the reality of a "public" figure using the N word and getting caught. Get over yourself, nigger is not even close to the most "taboo" words in existence. The fact that negroes routinely call each other by the term is proof alone of that fact. It's not like he said cunt or kike, now those terms would get you lynched to high heaven. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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ZwuckeL
Germany563 Posts
I think if EG doesn't ban orb from their team for life, it will have a very negative effect on the team and its sponsors, because those emails will 100% be sent by someone. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:21 Typhon wrote: Actually in that discussion, Starcraft was specifically mentioned as a community that wasn't a bunch of immature pricks. Which is why we need to enforce some basic decency and respect in our community. | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:22 Amlitzer wrote: Get over yourself, nigger is not even close to the most "taboo" words in existence. The fact that negroes routinely call each other by the term is proof alone of that fact. It's not like he said cunt or kike, now those terms would get you lynched to high heaven. ... you are seriously misguided and ill-informed... its actually the same thing.... wow. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
Words don't exist by themselves and don't have meaning by themselves. It depends on what one means with those words. The only reason for Orb to use "forbidden" words is simply that - that they are taboo and would shake you up. He doesn't care at all about the actual meaning of them, he doesn't give a shit about racism or homophobia, I'm sure he has friends of all colors and sexuality. What he cares about is to shake you up and throw your own taboo in your face. | ||
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