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On March 09 2012 11:27 pezit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 11:06 Silentness wrote:On March 09 2012 11:00 NachiMe wrote:On March 09 2012 10:55 Xann wrote:On March 09 2012 10:49 Rorschach wrote:On March 09 2012 10:41 Xann wrote:
i'm still waiting for orb's apology, the white man continues to spread their hatred and racism while black men such as myself are hurt despite the hundreds of years of brutality i've had to suffer. The white man should be ashamed how old are you? hundreds of years of brutality? And this persecution happened to you personally? What day and age are you living in? lol? Sorry but I won't let the white man sweep racism under the rug... actions have consequences, and orb should pay the consequences of his inflamatory remarks on my race. I'm asian and I really don't give a fuck about racism that happened to "my" race. And yes, there has been a lot of it. What's done is done, most people don't think like this now (or are trying to be politcally correct) so step down your horse. *you* did not suffer hundreds of years of brutality. Your ancestors did. Grow up. To be honest I would love to be black instead of asian because of all the affirmitive action that goes on here. Easy ivy league if I was black, hard ivy league if I was asian. Wow you say you don't care about racism affecting your race, but yet you say "Easy Ivy League if I was black, and hard ivy league if I was Asian." Really now? As a black guy with a Korean wife I know she cares about racism affecting her. She still has a hard time trusting Japanese people because of what happened a LONG TIME AGO in the past. For example, the raping/pillaging of Korea and etc. So to say that it's stupid that people care about what happened in their past is kind of ignorant if you ask me... This is funny because it sounds to me like your wife is a xenophobe for no good reason at all. It is ridiculous how some people actually feel sorry for themselves because of what happened to their race or country before they were even alive, boo fucking hoo.
The capital that white-plantation owners made off the backs of black labor in the 19th century contributed to a lot of the "old wealth" that still exists in the United States. Racism isn't simply about remembering history--it's about the sustained material effects and trauma of one group dominating another.
This is far more complicated than your oversimplified suggestion that this about "people feel[ing] sorry for themselves." Try studying race and history before making such an ignorant comment.
The n-word draws on a legacy of white dominance over blacks in the United States that continues to haunt the opportunities available to black in a society where true equality is mere lip service to the reality of inequality.
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On March 09 2012 12:23 Utinni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 12:22 Amlitzer wrote:On March 09 2012 12:00 densha wrote:
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) that there are people posting here who just don't understand how offensive it is to watch a privileged white kid throw around a word that was forged in human bondage and suffering so freely. He chose to use the most offensive, taboo word in the English language to express simple ladder rage. He literally could have picked anything else to say, even "cunt" obviously doesn't have the history of the N word. It's the history that matters, folks, and the fact that Orb apparently has no regard for such things.
Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing but that doesn't mean you're free of the consequences of your speech. If Orb ever casts again, the chat will be constant N word references. He'll always be known (as South Park puts it) as "that nigger guy". Every time I see his face, it will be difficult to take him seriously or not think of the controversy. Is anyone really going to want him casting their games now? Can he serve as the face of an organization now? I do not think so, and that's simply the reality of a "public" figure using the N word and getting caught. Get over yourself, nigger is not even close to the most "taboo" words in existence. The fact that negroes routinely call each other by the term is proof alone of that fact. It's not like he said cunt or kike, now those terms would get you lynched to high heaven. ... you are seriously misguided and ill-informed... its actually the same thing.... wow.
How is he misguided exactly? Why can Jay-Z and Kanye release songs titled "Niggas in Paris" and have the word mean nothing more than a song title? Why, when they call eachother niggas does it just mean "other black person" or "friend" or whatever? I am obviously missing something here because if the word is so "emotionally charged" and forever linked to slavery then why the fuck do black people routinely use it? Or does switching the "er" to an "a" make all the difference here.....
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On March 09 2012 12:26 ectonym wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 12:23 WArped wrote:
Orb really needs to calm the fuck down on ladder, unless your pro, your pretty pathetic if you rage this much over a loss ESPECIALLY if your streaming. Just realize your bad and shrug it off. Anger issues needs to be addressed but don't fire or blacklist him for this. He is a good caster, I don't wan't him to go down because of a few mistakes. I read that Orb was going to be a pro, but because he's color blind and can't see the nuke dot, he couldn't play equally.
nah, he had a video where he made some sweet FF's and stormed an army which made for a sweet video but never got beyond that. I doubt nukes are his only problem (haven't watched his stream in ages). He always seemed to have anger issues.
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On March 09 2012 12:27 Ghost.573 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 12:23 figq wrote:
Meanwhile, Tastosis on GOM would often say that some teenage kids are being "raped" or "stomped". Fortunately, the Reddit Knights of Sacred English Language are not choosing to interpret those words literally yet.
Words don't exist by themselves and don't have meaning by themselves. It depends on what one means with those words. The only reason for Orb to use "forbidden" words is simply that - that they are taboo and would shake you up. He doesn't care at all about the actual meaning of them, he doesn't give a shit about racism or homophobia, I'm sure he has friends of all colors and sexuality. What he cares about is to shake you up and throw your own taboo in your face. The huge difference is that he doesn't use them to mean what they mean. If you have ever played sports in your life you have heard the phrase "That team just got raped" and other phrases alike. I used it at 9 years old. If you haven't figured it out yet, thousands of words have many different meanings. I would never think twice about saying that X player just got raped by the other. All it means is he got outplayed by a big margin.
Its almost as if context has something to do with how a word should be interpreted...
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On March 09 2012 12:28 Kuja wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 12:24 Klondikebar wrote:On March 09 2012 12:21 densha wrote:On March 09 2012 12:12 synapse wrote:
Why is "nigger" considered out of line when "faggot" and "homo" aren't? He's not directing them at a person who he knows is black (presumably)--they're all just words that have come to have very general negative connotations.
I mean, I don't support orb for saying that kind of stuff (at least IdrA is somewhat creative in his rage), but isn't this kind of a double standard? It is a double standard to a point. I personally dislike the use of "gay", "homo", and "faggot" as insults and I cringe when they are used whether IRL or on the internet. Having said that, though, the N word has a very specific history in the US that forever ties it to slavery. Whether you think it's just another word or you're offended by it is most likely determined by whether you understand that historical reference. So while the sexual epithets are offensive and hurtful, they aren't tied directly to an era when an entire people were subjugated and abused by their fellow Americans. Are you kidding me?! Homosexuals are regularly abused and even murdered by their fellow Americans. Yes, "faggot" is tied to an era where homosexuals are subjugated and abused. Are you implying that there has never been a homosexual american murderer that has murdered straight men?
It has never been socially acceptable for a homosexual to murder a straight man.
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You know. Its just so stupid. The English language has some of the best offensive cursewords known to man. Why pick a word that makes you look like
A: a racist, or
B: someone who needs to grow up and stop listening to gangster rap.
You're a SC2 caster, a guy who provides commentary to a videogame for an internet audience. My sisters would say a Nerd in this case. Its just so, so utterly stupid. This whole incident, this whole topic, just because you are so uncreative in a choice of words, a choice that well.. in either case A and B will make you look stupid. Mission accomplished.
Btw, anyone watching IPL TAC Grand finals? It apparently has a lot of starcraft related content. By watching you're probably providing more e-sports support than bitching in a reddit style. Sponsors ultimately like viewership more than drama.
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On March 09 2012 12:27 RodrigoX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 12:16 Amlitzer wrote:
After we are done lynching Orb, can we go after Tasteless? He is just as bad if not worse considering he does it while casting. People just brush it off because "hes Tasteless" and nothing more. If Tasteless were EVER, EVER do that we would never brush over it, but he would be given a second chance. He would be a given a second chance, it would be because he's earned it. Plain aanndd simple. He has been this good, for how ever many years, he deserves a chance for reprieve and a second chance. Because he's earned it. Never in a million years, has orb earned a chance to come back from dropping the word nigger that many times. Simply, doing that is not the consensus of a social norm, hence he should be punished for that. If it was him of course. (lol it was)
I think if any of the EG team got caught saying nigger on their stream, they would be reprimanded or suspended.
If they said it in a major tournament or broadcast, they would be insta-fired. Even if it was one of their aces.
If Tasteless used nigger in a derogatory way in GSL broadcast, he'd get fired for sure.
The only reason I can think an US organization would be lenient is if it occurred after hours, on a personal stream.
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Thank God Orb is finished.
Really bad person in general from the start.
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On March 09 2012 12:27 RodrigoX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 12:16 Amlitzer wrote:
After we are done lynching Orb, can we go after Tasteless? He is just as bad if not worse considering he does it while casting. People just brush it off because "hes Tasteless" and nothing more. If Tasteless were EVER, EVER do that we would never brush over it, but he would be given a second chance. He would be a given a second chance, it would be because he's earned it. Plain aanndd simple. He has been this good, for how ever many years, he deserves a chance for reprieve and a second chance. Because he's earned it. Never in a million years, has orb earned a chance to come back from dropping the word nigger that many times. Simply, doing that is not the consensus of a social norm, hence he should be punished for that. If it was him of course. (lol it was)
Well, that plus Tasteless wouldn't be an idiot about it. He would apologize and stop using it. Orb just lied about it and claimed it was some conspiracy to frame him.
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On March 09 2012 11:39 harlock78 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 11:30 MWY wrote:On March 09 2012 11:27 jtixs wrote:
This is a ridiculous discussion
This incident does not effect "professional image of gamers" or "growing esports" all that matters for that is traffic data.
Orb is a good caster, what he says in his personal stream has no relevance to esports.
This is just a way for all the TL imbeciles to have a big circle jerk and act all self righteous and it
is disgusting to try and ruin someone for your own pleasure.
Everyone acting all hurt over this needs to grow up. So true. Since you are from Germany, you should try this experiment. Get involved with a large Sc II organization that talks about reaching the mainstream. Then on your stream repeatedly say things like : "fucking cockroach jew" " go get gas chambered" on several occasions. Tell us what happens. You understand the difference between mainstream and a local country club?
go get gas chambered is kinda on another level. Im not saying orb didnt do something wrong and acted tilted. Everybody gets tilted at some time. Everybody is insulting other guys when you get tilted.
Just because he used a worse insult then others, its such a big deal.
Hes a good caster, his personal attitude is something i dont care about and people shouldnt care about as long as he doesnt use racist slurs when casting games.
I dont give a shit if somebody is too left or too right to be something as long as it doesnt affect his profession.
Thats utterly retarded and thats what im critizising.
Even if he is a racist, you people basically kill him for this, making him a person below eachothers level, almost criminalizing him.
He didnt use racial slurs or anything on the ESV casts i watched. So its fine.
To make this clear, if somebody is researching a cure to HIV, and he hates gays, should he be fired cause his attitude is morally questionable to the majority of people?
People need to get over little incidents like this.
It would be something else if he was a real public figure like a politician ofcourse. On the other hand, you think all your politicians are clean guys? No.
Theyre just better at covering up their shit so far. There is no perfect human. Everbody has some weaknesses and has done stupid things in the past he probably regrets till now. People need to stop killing persons for minor mistakes theyve done.
The other part. Calling somebody a nigger. Now this Xann guy gets all offended saying ohmagawd he insulted me, the black race and all my ancestors I am so offended. Thats racism. He seperates between the black(his) race and the others, the white man.
The girl having prejudices against japanese people because of the war ages ago. Thats racism.
Orb used a racial insult. No doubt. Still he only insulted the guy he was playing against. No One Else.
(Now in the US you should probably check if orb has black roots(then it would be okay or cool) else its despiteful and wrong. Thats racism at its best too btw. People just fail to realize it. When people call people nigger its either bad, or not. If you make a racial difference, youre racist. Theres no other logical conclusion.)
If people would call some german a nazi, nobody would give a shit.
The guy you actually called nazi would probably be pissed, rightfully so. But I wouldnt bitch n whine like ohmagawd im so offended im gonna tell all my family this guy did this. This example might have a lack of connection to nigger (both n words btw lol) still somebody brougth this up.
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On March 09 2012 12:25 Heston wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 12:22 Amlitzer wrote:On March 09 2012 12:00 densha wrote:
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) that there are people posting here who just don't understand how offensive it is to watch a privileged white kid throw around a word that was forged in human bondage and suffering so freely. He chose to use the most offensive, taboo word in the English language to express simple ladder rage. He literally could have picked anything else to say, even "cunt" obviously doesn't have the history of the N word. It's the history that matters, folks, and the fact that Orb apparently has no regard for such things.
Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing but that doesn't mean you're free of the consequences of your speech. If Orb ever casts again, the chat will be constant N word references. He'll always be known (as South Park puts it) as "that nigger guy". Every time I see his face, it will be difficult to take him seriously or not think of the controversy. Is anyone really going to want him casting their games now? Can he serve as the face of an organization now? I do not think so, and that's simply the reality of a "public" figure using the N word and getting caught. Get over yourself, nigger is not even close to the most "taboo" words in existence. The fact that negroes routinely call each other by the term is proof alone of that fact. It's not like he said cunt or kike, now those terms would get you lynched to high heaven. I don't call any of my black friends the N word, and I also prefer it when they don't call me the same...
I know -_-. I really get annoyed with black people use the word nigga, but then they get mad when other people use them. We should all either be able to say it or nobody. Either way I don't because its really ignorant and immature.
Most people who use it aren't racist. Their just stupid, and don;t know how to conduct themselves.
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On March 09 2012 12:30 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 12:27 Ghost.573 wrote:On March 09 2012 12:23 figq wrote:
Meanwhile, Tastosis on GOM would often say that some teenage kids are being "raped" or "stomped". Fortunately, the Reddit Knights of Sacred English Language are not choosing to interpret those words literally yet.
Words don't exist by themselves and don't have meaning by themselves. It depends on what one means with those words. The only reason for Orb to use "forbidden" words is simply that - that they are taboo and would shake you up. He doesn't care at all about the actual meaning of them, he doesn't give a shit about racism or homophobia, I'm sure he has friends of all colors and sexuality. What he cares about is to shake you up and throw your own taboo in your face. The huge difference is that he doesn't use them to mean what they mean. If you have ever played sports in your life you have heard the phrase "That team just got raped" and other phrases alike. I used it at 9 years old. If you haven't figured it out yet, thousands of words have many different meanings. I would never think twice about saying that X player just got raped by the other. All it means is he got outplayed by a big margin. Its almost as if context has something to do with how a word should be interpreted...
Exactly, I can't stand that some people assume a word itself is bad, when that same word can mean 10 different things depending on how and when it is used.
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On March 09 2012 12:17 knOxStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 12:00 densha wrote:
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) that there are people posting here who just don't understand how offensive it is to watch a privileged white kid throw around a word that was forged in human bondage and suffering so freely. He chose to use the most offensive, taboo word in the English language to express simple ladder rage. He literally could have picked anything else to say, even "cunt" obviously doesn't have the history of the N word. It's the history that matters, folks, and the fact that Orb apparently has no regard for such things.
Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing but that doesn't mean you're free of the consequences of your speech. If Orb ever casts again, the chat will be constant N word references. He'll always be known (as South Park puts it) as "that nigger guy". Every time I see his face, it will be difficult to take him seriously or not think of the controversy. Is anyone really going to want him casting their games now? Can he serve as the face of an organization now? I do not think so, and that's simply the reality of a "public" figure using the N word and getting caught. Do you think orb wants to enslave black people and make them suffer? Of course not, what a joke. The fact is, this WORD, unless used to specifically convey hate towards black people, shouldnt not be taken as racism. For example, if someone stubs their toe on a chair and says "fuckin nigger chair" they obviously aren't being racist they are blurting out a word that is associated with anger in their mind. I do agree with the bottom part of your post but think it's pretty damn sad.
There's a difference between being racist and acting racist. Using that word, no matter how much you want to argue otherwise, is racism. In that moment, that individual is thinking of the worst insult they can come up with, and the worst thing that comes to mind is a black person. That's racism. I'm sure orb does not own a plantation and he may have many black friends. However, it is perfectly possible for a normally tolerant person to still do something racist, just like I am normally calm and smart (I think), yet frequently I get angry and do stupid things. Those outbursts do not define me. However, I still have to be held responsible for them, as he does here.
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On March 09 2012 12:24 RowdierBob wrote:
Why didn't he just say sorry?
"I made a regrettable remark towards the end of a game when I let my emotions get the best of me. I never intended any malice or harm with my words and I apologise for any offense I have caused."
And then check into a token rehab centre for 10 days.
Problem solved.
100% agree. accept the blame, don't pass it off on your 'friends', say you are genuinely sorry (which he SHOULD be for using such vile language as a grown man) and move on.
nothing stinks more than a liar. especially a liar that is willing to throw everybody in the way under the bus and play the victim role right until the bitter end.
man up son. this isn't halo.
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On March 09 2012 12:27 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 12:22 Kuja wrote:On March 09 2012 12:19 Defacer wrote:On March 09 2012 12:17 Esk23 wrote:On March 09 2012 11:52 Wuster wrote:On March 09 2012 11:46 Esk23 wrote:
Why is "nigger" more emotionally charged for black people than cracker ass white boy is for white people? Blacks today didn't go through slavery. I'd understand if it were this way back during slavery when there were actually blacks who were slaves but this doesn't exist in today's age. I really think people need to just calm down and relax and don't take life so seriously. Chill. You should know that the n-word came into prominence in the year's after slavery. So it's tied to institutionalized racism (Blacks didn't even get equal rights 'on paper' until the 60s) more so than slavery. Blacks also never stopped being the minority in the US; nor discriminated against, as the Harvard resume study proved (and that was released 2011 I believe). So saying Black people need to be like White people and shrug off derogatory slurs is pretty ignorant. I don't think so, that was the 1960s this is the year 2012. No trust Wuster, he's right. I heard White people are still pretty powerful in the US. Yea, isnt one of them our president? Which one? There were so many gay, black and female presidents I'm not sure which one you're referring to. Obama ofc
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On March 09 2012 12:29 knOxStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 12:23 Utinni wrote:On March 09 2012 12:22 Amlitzer wrote:On March 09 2012 12:00 densha wrote:
I'm surprised (well, I guess not really) that there are people posting here who just don't understand how offensive it is to watch a privileged white kid throw around a word that was forged in human bondage and suffering so freely. He chose to use the most offensive, taboo word in the English language to express simple ladder rage. He literally could have picked anything else to say, even "cunt" obviously doesn't have the history of the N word. It's the history that matters, folks, and the fact that Orb apparently has no regard for such things.
Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing but that doesn't mean you're free of the consequences of your speech. If Orb ever casts again, the chat will be constant N word references. He'll always be known (as South Park puts it) as "that nigger guy". Every time I see his face, it will be difficult to take him seriously or not think of the controversy. Is anyone really going to want him casting their games now? Can he serve as the face of an organization now? I do not think so, and that's simply the reality of a "public" figure using the N word and getting caught. Get over yourself, nigger is not even close to the most "taboo" words in existence. The fact that negroes routinely call each other by the term is proof alone of that fact. It's not like he said cunt or kike, now those terms would get you lynched to high heaven. ... you are seriously misguided and ill-informed... its actually the same thing.... wow. How is he misguided exactly? Why can Jay-Z and Kanye release songs titled "Niggas in Paris" and have the word mean nothing more than a song title? Why, when they call eachother niggas does it just mean "other black person" or "friend" or whatever? I am obviously missing something here because if the word is so "emotionally charged" and forever linked to slavery then why the fuck do black people routinely use it? Or does switching the "er" to an "a" make all the difference here.....
The difference in intent is obvious. The word has multiple meanings depending on context. It's called the English Language, and that's how it works.
There's a difference between calling a woman a bitch, calling the line at supermarket a bitch, and calling your best friend a bitch.
Sheesh.
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On March 09 2012 12:23 figq wrote:
Meanwhile, Tastosis on GOM would often say that some teenage kids are being "raped" or "stomped". Fortunately, the Reddit Knights of Sacred English Language are not choosing to interpret those words literally yet.
Words don't exist by themselves and don't have meaning by themselves. It depends on what one means with those words. The only reason for Orb to use "forbidden" words is simply that - that they are taboo and would shake you up. He doesn't care at all about the actual meaning of them, he doesn't give a shit about racism or homophobia, I'm sure he has friends of all colors and sexuality. What he cares about is to shake you up and throw your own taboo in your face.
The difference there is using it as a derogatory term towards another person to insult them; not as an verb to describe a situation.
Example Orb " You Bleeping N#@*er "
Example Tastosis " MarineKingPrime Stomping/raping MVP this game isn't even close! GG!!"
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On March 09 2012 12:23 figq wrote:
Meanwhile, Tastosis on GOM would often say that some teenage kids are being "raped" or "stomped". Fortunately, the Reddit Knights of Sacred English Language are not choosing to interpret those words literally yet.
Words don't exist by themselves and don't have meaning by themselves. It depends on what one means with those words. The only reason for Orb to use "forbidden" words is simply that - that they are taboo and would shake you up. He doesn't care at all about the actual meaning of them, he doesn't give a shit about racism or homophobia, I'm sure he has friends of all colors and sexuality. What he cares about is to shake you up and throw your own taboo in your face.
So there's these things without any actual meaning right. But they do have meaning, but they don't because they can't unless someone gives it meaning, but it has an actual mean..
I'm sorry, I got really lost there. You were trying to explain how something can simultaneously not have meaning and have an actual, true meaning.
This excuse is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard and it really needs to stop. It's some pseudo-intellectual thing that destiny argued once to try and justify his rampant use of racial slurs.
Ten go fart hike mountain flip domain insert up enter.
Clearly, only I know the true meaning behind those words because I can decide for myself right? Words are designed to have meaning, interpretation of words being loose almost exclusively applies to words that have scalability to them. Angry, furious, mad, those are all words that mean relatively the same thing but to a certain scale and often have qualifiers like "a little" and "very".
Saying that words only have the meaning you put to them is like trying to genuinely argue some bullshit like 1 = 2. Numbers are made up as well, in fact, they're words that describe a count of something.
Can we please cut this middle school crap out? You wouldn't candidly have a conversation with say, an elderly black man who was actually alive to experience the word nigger in it's fullest and exclusively refer to him as a nigger. Are you fucking kidding me? Drop this internet tough guy shit out, it's embarrassing.
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On March 09 2012 12:28 Kuja wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 12:24 Klondikebar wrote:On March 09 2012 12:21 densha wrote:On March 09 2012 12:12 synapse wrote:
Why is "nigger" considered out of line when "faggot" and "homo" aren't? He's not directing them at a person who he knows is black (presumably)--they're all just words that have come to have very general negative connotations.
I mean, I don't support orb for saying that kind of stuff (at least IdrA is somewhat creative in his rage), but isn't this kind of a double standard? It is a double standard to a point. I personally dislike the use of "gay", "homo", and "faggot" as insults and I cringe when they are used whether IRL or on the internet. Having said that, though, the N word has a very specific history in the US that forever ties it to slavery. Whether you think it's just another word or you're offended by it is most likely determined by whether you understand that historical reference. So while the sexual epithets are offensive and hurtful, they aren't tied directly to an era when an entire people were subjugated and abused by their fellow Americans. Are you kidding me?! Homosexuals are regularly abused and even murdered by their fellow Americans. Yes, "faggot" is tied to an era where homosexuals are subjugated and abused. Are you implying that there has never been a homosexual american murderer that has murdered straight men?
Are you serious? Not only did he come nowhere near implying that, but the argument you're trying to make is on par with Santorum's chances of getting elected as president. (Incase you don't follow politics, he has no chance.)
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Poll: What do YOU think about the orb situationNothing happened on air, and relations between Orb and his employer are not my business (55) 40% Orb lied to his employer and should be punished (29) 21% Orb made a racist comment and should be punished (24) 18% Orb is being unprofessional and an exemple should be made so that it doesn't happ (18) 13% I don't care aboutall that but boy do I enjoy the drama (9) 7% I don't really know what to think (1) 1% 136 total votes Your vote: What do YOU think about the orb situation (Vote): Orb made a racist comment and should be punished
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Poll: What do YOU think about the community reactionOutrageous (63) 51% Legitimate (50) 40% Random (8) 6% I don't know what to think (2) 2% Unavoidable under current moderation rules (1) 1% 124 total votes Your vote: What do YOU think about the community reaction (Vote): Legitimate
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