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On March 09 2012 11:34 DR.Ham wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 11:27 jtixs wrote:
This is a ridiculous discussion
This incident does not effect "professional image of gamers" or "growing esports" all that matters for that is traffic data.
Orb is a good caster, what he says in his personal stream has no relevance to esports.
This is just a way for all the TL imbeciles to have a big circle jerk and act all self righteous and it
is disgusting to try and ruin someone for your own pleasure.
Everyone acting all hurt over this needs to grow up. I believe that you are completely wrong. In any other non-esports public sphere, we would not be having this discussion, because he would have been fired by now. If this was a TV sports caster, a news reporter, politician or any other public figure, they would be fired, dead in the water and NOBODY would be defending them publicly. The fact people are defending him just shows how immature the scene really is.
this might be spot on but come on guys. this is some young 20 something year old kid. starting out a new career in a small new blooming market. i just feel tanking this kids career right now is harsh.
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On March 09 2012 11:43 Equity213 wrote:
People using slurs in moments of anger doesnt bother me. A bunch of self rightous nobodies on the internet constantly trying to ruin peoples lives does.
And quit trying to pretend that the only reason SC2 isnt on ESPN is because some folks say the N word once in a while. The SC2 community is by far the most GM of any gaming community I have ever seen, I assure you thats not whats holding it back.
Alot of people are pointing out what all this says about Orbs character, and its totally true. But because he has insecurites and charcter flaws does that give u the right to ruin his life?
The only people who should be ashamed of themselves here are the ones calling for blood. I hope you face just as much hate if you ever say something stupid.
It's reasonable to expect an adult to be a bigot zero times in their life. It is also reasonable to expect an adult to lie to their employer zero times in their life. This isn't just a mistake or a character flaw.
Also, are people forgetting TL has punished Orb for his racism before? It's not like this is one mistake. He KNOWS he's not supposed to do this.
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On March 09 2012 11:44 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 11:38 magnaflow wrote:On March 09 2012 11:29 Esorydal wrote:
people like orb will kill E sports, unproffesionalism has no place in this industry LOL. Go watch HoN/Dota/LoL, any other game. The language those players/casters use makes this look like small potatoes. It's people like you that will kill e-sports. People like you who cry bloody murder whenever anyone in the e-sports scene crosses the street when it doesn't say walk. If that is in fact true, then HoN/Dota/LoL will be even further behind SC2 in getting themselves mainstream support. You really want a caster to use racist words when watching at a Barcraft? Would end that bar's support of the event pretty damn quick.
It's a good thing he doesn't talk like that when he casts then
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On March 09 2012 11:41 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 11:39 harlock78 wrote:On March 09 2012 11:30 MWY wrote:On March 09 2012 11:27 jtixs wrote:
This is a ridiculous discussion
This incident does not effect "professional image of gamers" or "growing esports" all that matters for that is traffic data.
Orb is a good caster, what he says in his personal stream has no relevance to esports.
This is just a way for all the TL imbeciles to have a big circle jerk and act all self righteous and it
is disgusting to try and ruin someone for your own pleasure.
Everyone acting all hurt over this needs to grow up. So true. Since you are from Germany, you should try this experiment. Get involved with a large Sc II organization that talks about reaching the mainstream. Then on your stream repeatedly say things like : "fucking cockroach jew" " go get gas chambered" on several occasions. Tell us what happens. You understand the difference between mainstream and a local country club? If you want to offend a German, call them a Nazi. That's a serious charge to level against an actual German.
I think most Germans (at least those who use the internet for more than one year) don't really care about being called a nazi anymore since it happens all the time.
But it is good to know that you are willing to give out tips for insulting different people. I for one have a serious dislike of all Coconut farmers, now what would I say to insult them?
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On March 09 2012 11:44 Gheed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 11:42 FeUerFlieGe wrote:On March 09 2012 11:38 Gheed wrote:On March 09 2012 11:37 FeUerFlieGe wrote:On March 09 2012 11:34 DR.Ham wrote:On March 09 2012 11:27 jtixs wrote:
This is a ridiculous discussion
This incident does not effect "professional image of gamers" or "growing esports" all that matters for that is traffic data.
Orb is a good caster, what he says in his personal stream has no relevance to esports.
This is just a way for all the TL imbeciles to have a big circle jerk and act all self righteous and it
is disgusting to try and ruin someone for your own pleasure.
Everyone acting all hurt over this needs to grow up. I believe that you are completely wrong. In any other non-esports public sphere, we would not be having this discussion, because he would have been fired by now. If this was a TV sports caster, a news reporter, politician or any other public figure, they would be fired, dead in the water and NOBODY would be defending them publicly. The fact people are defending him just shows how immature the scene really is. This is spot on. Remember Tiger Woods? Or a more recent example: Rush Liimbaugh. Because Tiger was forced to quit golfing and Rush was forced to stop being a windbag. Oh, wait. They apologized... they still lost a lot of credibility. No they didn't. Tiger can fuck as many people he wants and nobody cares. Rush can say whatever stupid shit he wants and nobody cares because that's just what he does. If you're asking Orb to give a fake, forced apology for the sake of appearances, why even bother?
Both lost alot of their sponsors. I think at last count rush was at losing 20+ adverstisers and a couple radio stations no longer air his show...
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On March 09 2012 11:41 Pseudo_Utopia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 11:10 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Who, the fuck, cares.
I've BM'ed using that word before, although I'm not a racist in any means. It's just part of the NA culture, TONS of people do it.
Even if he is a racist, so what? For EG that obviously hurts their reputation, but the majority of the viewers/players couldn't give less of a fuck. Why would you routinely use a word that by itself may very well offend any listeners? We have here a word that everyone knows offends a fair amount of people, yet we tell people they are idiots for being offended and that's that? How about just change your cussing vocabulary? It's interesting. On one side there's a bunch of people saying the word is offensive and refers to what is really an embarassing and painful portion of our history (not even that long ago...), so it shouldn't be used. On the other, more internet-represented side, we have people saying that the word is just a word, that it shouldn't mean what the first group of people say it means. At the end we have a widespread disagreement over the word's meaning, and the flame wars ensue. Yet, what does a word truly mean? Does potato mean a lawnmower just because you decided so? Maybe to you it does, but to many people around you it still means a potato. In the end, using that word just shows you're so convinced it shouldn't be racist that you're ready to offend people left and right just for that belief. How can such a belief be so strong? Talk about individualistic insensitivity.
Well said.
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Why is "nigger" more emotionally charged for black people than cracker ass white boy is for white people? Blacks today didn't go through slavery. I'd understand if it were this way back during slavery when there were actually blacks who were slaves but this doesn't exist in today's age. I really think people need to just calm down and relax and don't take life so seriously. Chill.
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Literally an entire thread of butthurt children.
User was warned for this post
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On March 09 2012 11:40 Penecks wrote:
Funny thread, especially considering how many people in this community (as seen in other threads) actually THROW and PHYSICALLY abuse items/themselves when they lose games. From what I've seen he was angry and just lashed out with the most offensive thing he could think of. If he actually did lie about it that's not very smart, but it's possible he was panicking a bit at the moment.
And if someone called me a "whitey cracker bitch" or something similar on the ladder I think I would just burst out laughing IRL, and it would make my victory that much sweeter.
If your theory would be true, Orb would be a racist, as then the most thing he could think of is fucking nigger.
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On March 09 2012 11:43 Equity213 wrote:
People using slurs in moments of anger doesnt bother me. A bunch of self rightous nobodies on the internet constantly trying to ruin peoples lives does.
And quit trying to pretend that the only reason SC2 isnt on ESPN is because some folks say the N word once in a while. The SC2 community is by far the most GM of any gaming community I have ever seen, I assure you thats not whats holding it back.
Alot of people are pointing out what all this says about Orbs character, and its totally true. But because he has insecurites and charcter flaws does that give u the right to ruin his life?
The only people who should be ashamed of themselves here are the ones calling for blood. I hope you face just as much hate if you ever say something stupid.
Who is arguing that? There are certainly a myriad of reasons why E-sports hasn't hit it big yet. But it never will if these kind of things are tolerated. They're not tolerated in other sports, e-sports should be no different if it wants to be treated equally.
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On March 09 2012 11:45 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 11:43 Equity213 wrote:
People using slurs in moments of anger doesnt bother me. A bunch of self rightous nobodies on the internet constantly trying to ruin peoples lives does.
And quit trying to pretend that the only reason SC2 isnt on ESPN is because some folks say the N word once in a while. The SC2 community is by far the most GM of any gaming community I have ever seen, I assure you thats not whats holding it back.
Alot of people are pointing out what all this says about Orbs character, and its totally true. But because he has insecurites and charcter flaws does that give u the right to ruin his life?
The only people who should be ashamed of themselves here are the ones calling for blood. I hope you face just as much hate if you ever say something stupid. It's reasonable to expect an adult to be a bigot zero times in their life. It is also reasonable to expect an adult to lie to their employer zero times in their life. This isn't just a mistake or a character flaw. Also, are people forgetting TL has punished Orb for his racism before? It's not like this is one mistake. He KNOWS he's not supposed to do this.
But what if they are born that way, its not their fault, its natural, they are born that way!!
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On March 09 2012 11:46 Esk23 wrote:
Why is "nigger" more emotionally charged for black people than cracker ass white boy is for white people? Blacks today didn't go through slavery. I'd understand if it were this way back during slavery when there were actually blacks who were slaves but this doesn't exist in today's age. I really think people need to just calm down and relax and don't take life so seriously. Chill.
The same reason blackface is still really offensive and emotionally charged.
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On March 09 2012 11:45 guluru wrote:
I think this community should watch Louis C. K.
You mean this?
Poker Game / Faggot
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On March 09 2012 11:44 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 11:38 magnaflow wrote:On March 09 2012 11:29 Esorydal wrote:
people like orb will kill E sports, unproffesionalism has no place in this industry LOL. Go watch HoN/Dota/LoL, any other game. The language those players/casters use makes this look like small potatoes. It's people like you that will kill e-sports. People like you who cry bloody murder whenever anyone in the e-sports scene crosses the street when it doesn't say walk. If that is in fact true, then HoN/Dota/LoL will be even further behind SC2 in getting themselves mainstream support. You really want a caster to use racist words when watching at a Barcraft? Would end that bar's support of the event pretty damn quick.
Obviously not because LOL already has far surpassed the SC2 viewership.
Anything but "behind" in mainstream support.
Guess it didn't get in their way but "oh wait" its much easier to just spout off a bunch of bullshit in a post....
Also your comparing something done on steam or in a barcraft VS someone laddering....
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Disappointed in him. This definitively makes a dent in his reputation. When you work as a caster, you have to keep a good image at all time (including when laddering, stream or not). Its what being professional is, and Orb was, in this incident, deeply unprofessional.
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On March 09 2012 11:48 Kuja wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 11:45 Klondikebar wrote:On March 09 2012 11:43 Equity213 wrote:
People using slurs in moments of anger doesnt bother me. A bunch of self rightous nobodies on the internet constantly trying to ruin peoples lives does.
And quit trying to pretend that the only reason SC2 isnt on ESPN is because some folks say the N word once in a while. The SC2 community is by far the most GM of any gaming community I have ever seen, I assure you thats not whats holding it back.
Alot of people are pointing out what all this says about Orbs character, and its totally true. But because he has insecurites and charcter flaws does that give u the right to ruin his life?
The only people who should be ashamed of themselves here are the ones calling for blood. I hope you face just as much hate if you ever say something stupid. It's reasonable to expect an adult to be a bigot zero times in their life. It is also reasonable to expect an adult to lie to their employer zero times in their life. This isn't just a mistake or a character flaw. Also, are people forgetting TL has punished Orb for his racism before? It's not like this is one mistake. He KNOWS he's not supposed to do this. But what if they are born that way, its not their fault, its natural, they are born that way!!
noone is born a racist/homophobe or in general a bigot.
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On March 09 2012 11:46 Dont-Panic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 11:41 Defacer wrote:On March 09 2012 11:39 harlock78 wrote:On March 09 2012 11:30 MWY wrote:On March 09 2012 11:27 jtixs wrote:
This is a ridiculous discussion
This incident does not effect "professional image of gamers" or "growing esports" all that matters for that is traffic data.
Orb is a good caster, what he says in his personal stream has no relevance to esports.
This is just a way for all the TL imbeciles to have a big circle jerk and act all self righteous and it
is disgusting to try and ruin someone for your own pleasure.
Everyone acting all hurt over this needs to grow up. So true. Since you are from Germany, you should try this experiment. Get involved with a large Sc II organization that talks about reaching the mainstream. Then on your stream repeatedly say things like : "fucking cockroach jew" " go get gas chambered" on several occasions. Tell us what happens. You understand the difference between mainstream and a local country club? If you want to offend a German, call them a Nazi. That's a serious charge to level against an actual German. I think most Germans (at least those who use the internet for more than one year) don't really care about being called a nazi anymore since it happens all the time. But it is good to know that you are willing to give out tips for insulting different people. I for one have a serious dislike of all Coconut farmers, now what would I say to insult them?
Nutfuckers.
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On March 09 2012 11:39 IamMrWren wrote:
I'm not sure whats worse, Orb's behavior, or the reaction to it.
The longer this goes on the more the E-Sports elephant crys.
Exactly, I think people are forgeting this is just a game.
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whats wrong with saying nigger? dont see y ppl are gettin so mad bout it
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On March 09 2012 11:47 Greenvase wrote:
Literally an entire thread of butthurt children.
So true. All the kids upset they can't use their usual insults on ladder anymore :/
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