EPTAre we killing esports? [part 1] - Page 10
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sky`380
United States49 Posts
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EienShinwa
United States655 Posts
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
Should've been a blog post. Beyond Liquid's efforts however, I agree with most of the OP | ||
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Blennd
United States266 Posts
On March 04 2012 03:39 Zrana wrote: This thread is so fucking weird. Everyone is like "it's westerners vs koreans" and thinking that westerners don't want to watch koreans play. Maybe that's true of Johnny Bronzeleaguer who thinks that koreans just play mindlessly or cheesy but most people just want to watch good starcraft. I don't give a crap what country the player i'm watching comes from as long as he shows good games. Why are so many people obsessed with making esports big in the western world? If it happens at all it's going to be a very gradual process. Would you enjoy starcraft more if more people in your country watched it? If so, that seems oddly racsist. Just enjoy the game, please. Wanting to enjoy a sport without being shunned by the mainstream of your society is racist? Wanting the thing you enjoy to also be enjoyed by at least some of the people who are culturally, geographically, and linguistically close to you is racist? Is going to a barcraft racist? So sick of the attitude that equates wanting the foreign scene to grow with hating koreans. | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On March 04 2012 04:44 Blennd wrote: Wanting to enjoy a sport without being shunned by the mainstream of your society is racist? Wanting the thing you enjoy to also be enjoyed by at least some of the people who are culturally, geographically, and linguistically close to you is racist? Is going to a barcraft racist? So sick of the attitude that equates wanting the foreign scene to grow with hating koreans. Oh please. flip the situation, if Koreans were struggling and people made threads saying "let's help koreans" I bet you'd be in there laughing at them. | ||
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Danzo
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metbull
United States404 Posts
title should read "Are we killing foreign(er) esports? [Part 1]" edit: and this is more of a blog | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On March 04 2012 04:34 Gnarfle wrote: A very interesting read! I am very much looking forward to part 2, maybe you can bring up a few exceptions or how you want teams to support up and coming talent? Anyways, thanks for a great read  There's tons of online warriors out there. Today Nerchio and Stephano are the best zergs in EU probably, but a year ago they were just online warriors. Blings story is a good example to, he was a former halo player and won the dignitas gamer search tournament, look at him today? He has a personal sponsorship from TB and is one of the most promising players in EU. The Swedish National Championship (Known as e-sports SM in Sweden), if you look at the players 80% of them are teamless. And the only real progamer that has been able to qualify is Sjow, even though sponsored players like Merz, Bischu, HayprO, ThorZaIN and Lalush have participated, non of them qualified. So why hasn't even a lesser team signed these players? France has just like Sweden their own local scene, these tournaments that are arranged by Llewellys, I bet it's the same situation there. Probably lots of young talented players that are teamless. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On March 04 2012 04:48 metbull wrote: thread title is misleading. title should read "Are we killing foreign(er) esports? [Part 1]" edit: and this is more of a blog Did you read the op? because it does (although fairly little) discuss the korena scene. | ||
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Falcor
Canada894 Posts
Not to mention complexity has a tournament where up and comers compete in who dont have a contract with a team and if they win, col with pay their way to mlg events. Sure it would be nice if everyone could have great salaries that you can live off but the scene has never been their in esports(foreign) to do that. Its always been the op couple teams with money to support their players and the rest can barely afford travel expenses for their players. At least now we have teams attempting to support up coming talent | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
I'm not racist saying that, let's say it's because of korea's meta... | ||
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m0ck
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
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Funkydonky
950 Posts
On March 04 2012 04:28 Shelke14 wrote: You know what this ties into? MLG Hopefully everyone agreeing that the western scene needs more support, jumps on the MLG bandwagon and buys all their PPV. This is exactly what sundance is trying to push, a league where if you're teamless and talented, being a western will give you the chance to be 'all payed' for expense to MLG tournments. Yea, because a lot of teamless and talented players were allowed to play in INVITE qualifiers for MLG arena. Fact that a league is promoting an invite qualifier is just enough for me to not support it. | ||
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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
On March 04 2012 04:41 Durp wrote: OP doesn't mention or acknowledge Liquids efforts. Agree with Tyler wholeheartedly. A post in the General section questioning Liquid's investment in foreign talent (which is unwarranted and false) is probably not a great idea. Should've been a blog post. Beyond Liquid's efforts however, I agree with most of the OP Are you serious? He posted here because TL is by far the largest and by far the most important Starcraft forum. So what you are saying is that you shouldnt post here if it could potentially hurt Liquids feelings? Luckily an independent and unbiased discussion is still possible here. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 04 2012 04:53 hrvoje07 wrote: Yea, because a lot of teamless and talented players were allowed to play in INVITE qualifiers for MLG arena. Fact that a league is promoting an invite qualifier is just enough for me to not support it. i'm pretty sure Axslav is happy MLG paid his way since Reign collapsed. Also MLG has stated multiple times the qualifiers will be open for future Arenas. They just wanted to control the first Arena as much as possible since it was a test. | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On March 04 2012 04:52 WhiteDog wrote: Well it's true that korean are playing cheesy. Sorry but most of the best SC2 game yet came mostly from foreigners. Koreans game tend to go 2 or 3 base and then it's over. I'm not racist saying that, let's say it's because of korea's meta... LOL you have no idea what you're talking about. it's called strategy and mind games. back in bw there is no term as all in like it is used today. the best games come from Koreans hahaha. You probably think any game with early aggression is cheesey, you probaby just want 20 minutes of macro and 2 guys colliding 200 food armies. | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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Roxor9999
Netherlands771 Posts
On March 04 2012 04:48 metbull wrote: thread title is misleading. title should read "Are we killing foreign(er) esports? [Part 1]" edit: and this is more of a blog On March 04 2012 04:48 Danzo wrote: Why is this in the General section? This is more of an opinion post and should put in the blog section. On March 04 2012 04:41 Durp wrote: OP doesn't mention or acknowledge Liquids efforts. Agree with Tyler wholeheartedly. A post in the General section questioning Liquid's investment in foreign talent (which is unwarranted and false) is probably not a great idea. Should've been a blog post. Beyond Liquid's efforts however, I agree with most of the OP Please read all responses in the thread before posting it's like the 5th time this blog stuff has been brought up. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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