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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
On January 20 2012 15:44 vasculaR wrote: I can't see your point because you did not make any. You said any stories coming up wouldn't change people's opinion regarding coach lee. I told you to read virgil's post. You clearly didn't, otherwise you would have seen that Virgil, as he stated in his post in this thread, was a huge fan of TSL and a friend of coach lee's. After these two threads he has said that he can no longer support TSL because of the shady stuff going behind the scenes. I hope the point got across now. | ||
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MrSkyfire
13 Posts
On January 20 2012 16:12 Subversive wrote: A politician was sued in the UK for posting a defamatory tweet about his opponent. Sued for about 30K pounds iirc. Definitely counts as published in a fair few countries. Just because this is tl and not a news site doesn't make a difference :p. OR he got a letter/phone call from Lee's lawyer. That seems 10x more likely than spunky is being black-mailed. If rekrul is lying sure But why would rekrul lie? He has nothing to gain. If you listen to SOTG then you know lee is probably a shady character, I dont think he wants the law involved - especially if what rek said was true. If rek is telling the truth - blackmail more likely If rek is lying - probably lawyer, but I really dont think so  | ||
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ABear
United States161 Posts
On January 20 2012 16:01 MrSkyfire wrote: I dont believe this. Rekrul has reputation for always being right. I think what happened is Lee read korean version and is blackmailing people again. Isnt spunky doing poker? or in the past sometime? Lee probably blackmailing him saying that 'if I go down, you go down too' (cuz gambling illegal) and spunky tell rekrul to take down post so he doesnt wind up in shit. Why would rekrul post half assed apology so fast and get post delete so quick? It doesnt make sense unless blackmailed. true, it is strange and unprecedented for rekrul to post a retraction like this. but then again this thread only has minor retractions involved >_< most likely everything rekrul posted originally was what he had highly likely believed to be true, or else he wouldn't have posted it. the only thing from this thread that I believe is a legit retraction is the fact that coach lee didn't really live there but just stayed there for periods. | ||
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LilClinkin
Australia667 Posts
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vasculaR
Malaysia791 Posts
On January 20 2012 16:17 dmnum wrote: You said any stories coming up wouldn't change people's opinion regarding coach lee. I told you to read virgil's post. You clearly didn't, otherwise you would have seen that Virgil, as he stated in his post in this thread, was a huge fan of TSL and a friend of coach lee's. After these two threads he has said that he can no longer support TSL because of the shady stuff going behind the scenes. I hope the point got across now. edit : nvm found it. I see. Well, good for Virgil and apologies to you. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On January 20 2012 16:19 MrSkyfire wrote: If rekrul is lying sure But why would rekrul lie? He has nothing to gain. If you listen to SOTG then you know lee is probably a shady character, I dont think he wants the law involved - especially if what rek said was true. If rek is telling the truth - blackmail more likely If rek is lying - probably lawyer, but I really dont think so I don't believe Rekrul was intentionally lying when he made his first post. However, that doesn't mean he didn't defame Coach Lee in law. Coach Lee has next to nothing to hide. This article by Rekrul is already out there now. If he could sue, which he may not be able to do, I think he would. Even if it's uncertain, a letter threatening legal action would make most people revise what they said, especially if it turned out they had listened to rumours which were in no way true. No one goes to court unless they have something to gain. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On January 20 2012 15:41 windsupernova wrote: You can be sued for this in America too?_? Especially if he can make a case that this can hamper his career.The only difference is that you are more anonymous. Yeah basically. If what rekrul said is not true, he could be sued for defamation of character, but if it's not true I don't see why he'd need coach lee to force him to apologize so I highly doubt that's what happened. And if what he said was true, then obviously coach lee would have no way to make him apologize, since you can't stop someone from saying the truth about you. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On January 20 2012 16:01 MrSkyfire wrote: I dont believe this. Rekrul has reputation for always being right. I think what happened is Lee read korean version and is blackmailing people again. Isnt spunky doing poker? or in the past sometime? Lee probably blackmailing him saying that 'if I go down, you go down too' (cuz gambling illegal) and spunky tell rekrul to take down post so he doesnt wind up in shit. Why would rekrul post half assed apology so fast and get post delete so quick? It doesnt make sense unless blackmailed. I semi-agree with what youre saying. The apology seems too formal. My guess is that what he posted was too much of an exaggeration so he decided to cut out the extra stuff and just get to the bottom line. In the process, he probably realized that what he said is too defamatory and there could be unnecessary repercussions. But the good news is that main point that he was trying to get across is still crystal clear. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On January 20 2012 16:26 hunts wrote: Yeah basically. If what rekrul said is not true, he could be sued for defamation of character, but if it's not true I don't see why he'd need coach lee to force him to apologize so I highly doubt that's what happened. And if what he said was true, then obviously coach lee would have no way to make him apologize, since you can't stop someone from saying the truth about you. Look, parts of what he said weren't true. He says as much in the OP! | ||
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MrSkyfire
13 Posts
On January 20 2012 16:25 Subversive wrote: I don't believe Rekrul was intentionally lying when he made his first post. However, that doesn't mean he didn't defame Coach Lee in law. Coach Lee has next to nothing to hide. This article by Rekrul is already out there now. If he could sue, which he may not be able to do, I think he would. Even if it's uncertain, a letter threatening legal action would make most people revise what they said, especially if it turned out they had listened to rumours which were in no way true. No one goes to court unless they have something to gain. mmmm maybe you right (: | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On January 20 2012 16:22 LilClinkin wrote: If you're going to take a huge dump on some ones reputation in a very public forum like this, you owe it to them to at least deliver a somewhat non-biased, factual-based sequence of events pertaining to the situation. TL celebrity or not, what Rekrul posted was immature hyperbole. Regardless of how much of a saint/devil coach Lee is, IDK why most people here are just lapping this up and forgiving Rekrul with a gentle pat on the back. Because while parts of his story were incorrect, the underlying events and hypocritical actions by Lee have not been redacted from the story. Should have have stuck to the facts? Sure, but that doesn't mean you condemn and vilify Rek for still getting news out there. He had the balls to redact the statements that he found out were incorrect. Rekrul didn't fly off the handle posting an entirely unsubstantiated story filled with inaccuracies and blatant lies. He posted a story that was meant to demonstrate the hypocritical actions of Coach Lee, but he did have some misinformation that he had not confirmed as factual. Keep in mind that Rekrul is also not a journalist. His standards are his own and he doesn't owe it to the community to reveal sources, issue corrections, or even post any news at all; but he chooses to do so. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On January 20 2012 16:27 Subversive wrote: Look, parts of what he said weren't true. He says as much in the OP! I know, I was trying to explain to the guy who said you can get away with making false accusations about someone in america. I was explaining to him that by doing so, in a situation like this where it damages ones character, you can be sued for it in america too and it's not just "korean crazy laws" as he seems to think. I was also agreeing with the person I quoted, who was trying to explain the same thing basically. | ||
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CuSToM
United States1478 Posts
On January 20 2012 16:17 dmnum wrote: You said any stories coming up wouldn't change people's opinion regarding coach lee. I told you to read virgil's post. You clearly didn't, otherwise you would have seen that Virgil, as he stated in his post in this thread, was a huge fan of TSL and a friend of coach lee's. After these two threads he has said that he can no longer support TSL because of the shady stuff going behind the scenes. I hope the point got across now. Well you shouldn't let one person speak for everybody. I will be staying up until 3 AM to watch TSL in the GSTL and its players in the GSL until the team no longer exists. Just because the coach / manager of the team turns out to not be a patron saint doesn't mean I am going to forget about the past year and a half I have spent staying up and cheering for TSL, and then put all the Starcraft II teams names into a hat and pick a new team to follow. | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On January 20 2012 16:19 MrSkyfire wrote: If rekrul is lying sure But why would rekrul lie? He has nothing to gain. If you listen to SOTG then you know lee is probably a shady character, I dont think he wants the law involved - especially if what rek said was true. If rek is telling the truth - blackmail more likely If rek is lying - probably lawyer, but I really dont think so He lies so he can cause the giant shitstorm and get attention? look at how many posts there are on that thread than this one. not saying that's what he does. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On January 20 2012 16:30 CuSToM wrote: Well you shouldn't let one person speak for everybody. I will be staying up until 3 AM to watch TSL in the GSTL and its players in the GSL until the team no longer exists. Just because the coach / manager of the team turns out to not be a patron saint doesn't mean I am going to forget about the past year and a half I have spent staying up and cheering for TSL, and then put all the Starcraft II teams names into a hat and pick a new team to follow. I also didn't say that I was going to stop cheering for TSL. I said I could no longer support Coach Lee knowing these things, and that I didn't plan on giving up on my favorite players from this team. | ||
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
Why not post the rest of it? The things that ARE true? Clearing up misinformation is great, but don't let it guilt you into not admitting everything else he ACTUALLY did. | ||
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
On January 20 2012 16:30 CuSToM wrote: Well you shouldn't let one person speak for everybody. I will be staying up until 3 AM to watch TSL in the GSTL and its players in the GSL until the team no longer exists. Just because the coach / manager of the team turns out to not be a patron saint doesn't mean I am going to forget about the past year and a half I have spent staying up and cheering for TSL, and then put all the Starcraft II teams names into a hat and pick a new team to follow. I think the reason virgil "doesn't support" TSL anymore has nothing to with players. "The Team SCV Life (TSL) is a top Korean StarCraft 2 team. It was founded by former MBC Heroes coach Lee Woon Jae.[1]" - From liquipedia TSL was based highly around the figure of coach lee, and now that these things are turning up and assuming he resignes, the team needs to change it's name, for better or for worse. Either way, as soon as coach lee is no longer associated with the team I think virgil will go back to being TSL(Or whatever new name they may adapt)#1 fan. Edit: Virgil just posted. Glad I understood what he meant all along, otherwise I would look like giant asshat. | ||
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kusto
Russian Federation823 Posts
You seriously should consider writing in another 'style' if you state such things, and not kick off with a troll bait ("lol SC2 sucks"). The Mod staff of TL now wouldn't be sitting around with dunce hats after defending your positions so fervidly. That being said, my interest in posting this is not TSL or you, but rather the conductance of the TL mod staff, which i respect, excluding this case. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On January 20 2012 16:29 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Rekrul didn't fly off the handle posting an entirely unsubstantiated story filled with inaccuracies and blatant lies. He posted a story that was meant to demonstrate the hypocritical actions of Coach Lee, but he did have some misinformation that he had not confirmed as factual. I'm pretty sure his initial post qualifies as "flying off the handle" and was, by his own admission, riddled with a number of inaccuracies. Remember what happened when a certain someone posted an incorrectly translated summary of Mr Chae's comments on the infamous Naniwa incident? Thousands of angry swedish people suddenly showed up in the thread and turned it into a cesspool. We don't need starcraft's equivalent of perez hilton operating outside the boundaries of good sense. Yes, he was right about the match fixing, thank you very much. But what's the harm in waiting for a clear statement from the parties involved? Why, do you want a medal for being a couple weeks early? | ||
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