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i really don't see how these corrections in any way change what coach lee did. so apparently the secret camera was speculation (that should have been pretty obvious from the original thread anyways), big deal?
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I feel like this is a giant PR cover up...
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On January 20 2012 16:01 MrSkyfire wrote:
I dont believe this. Rekrul has reputation for always being right. I think what happened is Lee read korean version and is blackmailing people again. Isnt spunky doing poker? or in the past sometime? Lee probably blackmailing him saying that 'if I go down, you go down too' (cuz gambling illegal) and spunky tell rekrul to take down post so he doesnt wind up in shit. Why would rekrul post half assed apology so fast and get post delete so quick? It doesnt make sense unless blackmailed.
Maybe that is the truth he was forced to say this seems kind-of weird and was a bit vague the OP didn't clarify specifics.
IMO this is a cover-up or rekrul getting black mailed by Lee 
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One can like the team and dislike the coach...
Dunno why you guys are discussing this.
Oh well its the internet where you always have to be 100% in favour or 100% against
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On January 20 2012 17:10 VTArlock wrote:
I feel like this is a giant PR cover up...
Coach Lee is obviously a Templar. FD is a piece if Eden. It all makes sense
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On January 20 2012 17:11 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 16:01 MrSkyfire wrote:
I dont believe this. Rekrul has reputation for always being right. I think what happened is Lee read korean version and is blackmailing people again. Isnt spunky doing poker? or in the past sometime? Lee probably blackmailing him saying that 'if I go down, you go down too' (cuz gambling illegal) and spunky tell rekrul to take down post so he doesnt wind up in shit. Why would rekrul post half assed apology so fast and get post delete so quick? It doesnt make sense unless blackmailed. Maybe that is the truth he was forced to say this seems kind-of weird and was a bit vague the OP didn't clarify specifics. IMO this is a cover-up or rekrul getting black mailed by Lee
XRaDiiX, always with the conspiracy theories. 
Looks like i was right in the previous thread about being a sceptic to unsubstantiated claims, i got shot down pretty bad last thread with people referencing all these so called "facts". Do people jump on all these hatetrains because the community is overall quite young or it is because everyone here really likes the drama? Take everything with a huge grain of salt and move on.
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On January 20 2012 17:08 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 16:59 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:49 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:45 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:38 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:30 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:17 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:44 vasculaR wrote:On January 20 2012 15:37 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:33 vasculaR wrote:
either you
A) like rekrul
B) like Coach Lee
C) don't care.
Any story or truths will come out but it wouldn't change your A, B or C. You should go back and read virgil's post. I can't see your point because you did not make any. You said any stories coming up wouldn't change people's opinion regarding coach lee. I told you to read virgil's post. You clearly didn't, otherwise you would have seen that Virgil, as he stated in his post in this thread, was a huge fan of TSL and a friend of coach lee's. After these two threads he has said that he can no longer support TSL because of the shady stuff going behind the scenes. I hope the point got across now. Well you shouldn't let one person speak for everybody. I will be staying up until 3 AM to watch TSL in the GSTL and its players in the GSL until the team no longer exists. Just because the coach / manager of the team turns out to not be a patron saint doesn't mean I am going to forget about the past year and a half I have spent staying up and cheering for TSL, and then put all the Starcraft II teams names into a hat and pick a new team to follow. I think the reason virgil "doesn't support" TSL anymore has nothing to with players. "The Team SCV Life (TSL) is a top Korean StarCraft 2 team. It was founded by former MBC Heroes coach Lee Woon Jae.[1]" - From liquipedia TSL was based highly around the figure of coach lee, and now that these things are turning up and assuming he resignes, the team needs to change it's name, for better or for worse. Either way, as soon as coach lee is no longer associated with the team I think virgil will go back to being TSL(Or whatever new name they may adapt)#1 fan. Edit: Virgil just posted. Glad I understood what he meant all along, otherwise I would look like giant asshat. Okay you missed my point. I don't care what Virgil wrote or how he feels about the team because it has nothing to do with my interests. I was simply agreeing with the point that guy said about "you either like Coach Lee, like Rekrul, or don't care and you will continue to feel that way when this is all over". You said that wasn't the case because of a blog somebody wrote, which isn't true (for me at least). edit: worded poorly the first time Yeah, but will you still support coach lee? My attraction to TSL had nothing to do with Coach Lee, I originally started following the team because of Tester. Tester left and went to a different team but that didn't change anything for me, even though the reason I supported the team in the first place was gone. How do you support a team but not the coach? What does that even mean? Do I question his decisions in GSTL and complain about him in live report threads? When a player leaves his team am I happy that Coach Lee lost them, even though a player left my favorite team? How do I protest against Coach Lee but still support my favorite team? If Coach Lee left TSL, fine. If all of the players on the team left TSL and Coach Lee acquired a new roster, fine. As long as Team SCV Life is a functioning organization (in some capacity since the argument can be made that isn't the case right now) they will remain the team I support. You are the definition of "Blind fanboyism." But if your fine with that and willing to admit it, then by all means, cheer on.
Do you have any idea what "blind fanboyism" even means? Because I am not a band-wagon hopping person or a fair weather fan that makes me a blind fanboy? You realize we are posting on Team Liquid right? The same site where some guy gets a fan club because he can cover an entire map in creep.
Should Laker fans have stopped supporting their team when Kobe raped a woman? Or Raven fans when Ray Lewis was suspected of murder? What about Penn State fans, students and alumni? Should they stop supporting their university because the figurehead of the entire school knowingly harbored a child molester?
All I'm saying is I'm not going to stop supporting my favorite Starcraft team just because Coach Lee is a dick. I wasn't some kind of concierge to the team like Virgil was. For the second time none of my posts have anything to do with him lol.
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Humm, not sure wut to think..
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On January 20 2012 17:18 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 17:11 XRaDiiX wrote:On January 20 2012 16:01 MrSkyfire wrote:
I dont believe this. Rekrul has reputation for always being right. I think what happened is Lee read korean version and is blackmailing people again. Isnt spunky doing poker? or in the past sometime? Lee probably blackmailing him saying that 'if I go down, you go down too' (cuz gambling illegal) and spunky tell rekrul to take down post so he doesnt wind up in shit. Why would rekrul post half assed apology so fast and get post delete so quick? It doesnt make sense unless blackmailed. Maybe that is the truth he was forced to say this seems kind-of weird and was a bit vague the OP didn't clarify specifics. IMO this is a cover-up or rekrul getting black mailed by Lee XRaDiiX, always with the conspiracy theories. Looks like i was right in the previous thread about being a sceptic to unsubstantiated claims, i got shot down pretty bad last thread with people referencing all these so called "facts". Do people jump on all these hatetrains because the community is overall quite young or it is because everyone here really likes the drama? Take everything with a huge grain of salt and move on.
Everybody seems to love the drama. Add in the people who like to have strong opinions on a game they are too scared to play and we get this
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Safe to say that I'll never believe another post by Rekrul again. Sigh, this sc2 drama is so bad...
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On January 20 2012 17:19 CuSToM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 17:08 Angelbelow wrote:On January 20 2012 16:59 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:49 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:45 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:38 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:30 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:17 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:44 vasculaR wrote:On January 20 2012 15:37 dmnum wrote:
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You should go back and read virgil's post. I can't see your point because you did not make any. You said any stories coming up wouldn't change people's opinion regarding coach lee. I told you to read virgil's post. You clearly didn't, otherwise you would have seen that Virgil, as he stated in his post in this thread, was a huge fan of TSL and a friend of coach lee's. After these two threads he has said that he can no longer support TSL because of the shady stuff going behind the scenes. I hope the point got across now. Well you shouldn't let one person speak for everybody. I will be staying up until 3 AM to watch TSL in the GSTL and its players in the GSL until the team no longer exists. Just because the coach / manager of the team turns out to not be a patron saint doesn't mean I am going to forget about the past year and a half I have spent staying up and cheering for TSL, and then put all the Starcraft II teams names into a hat and pick a new team to follow. I think the reason virgil "doesn't support" TSL anymore has nothing to with players. "The Team SCV Life (TSL) is a top Korean StarCraft 2 team. It was founded by former MBC Heroes coach Lee Woon Jae.[1]" - From liquipedia TSL was based highly around the figure of coach lee, and now that these things are turning up and assuming he resignes, the team needs to change it's name, for better or for worse. Either way, as soon as coach lee is no longer associated with the team I think virgil will go back to being TSL(Or whatever new name they may adapt)#1 fan. Edit: Virgil just posted. Glad I understood what he meant all along, otherwise I would look like giant asshat. Okay you missed my point. I don't care what Virgil wrote or how he feels about the team because it has nothing to do with my interests. I was simply agreeing with the point that guy said about "you either like Coach Lee, like Rekrul, or don't care and you will continue to feel that way when this is all over". You said that wasn't the case because of a blog somebody wrote, which isn't true (for me at least). edit: worded poorly the first time Yeah, but will you still support coach lee? My attraction to TSL had nothing to do with Coach Lee, I originally started following the team because of Tester. Tester left and went to a different team but that didn't change anything for me, even though the reason I supported the team in the first place was gone. How do you support a team but not the coach? What does that even mean? Do I question his decisions in GSTL and complain about him in live report threads? When a player leaves his team am I happy that Coach Lee lost them, even though a player left my favorite team? How do I protest against Coach Lee but still support my favorite team? If Coach Lee left TSL, fine. If all of the players on the team left TSL and Coach Lee acquired a new roster, fine. As long as Team SCV Life is a functioning organization (in some capacity since the argument can be made that isn't the case right now) they will remain the team I support. You are the definition of "Blind fanboyism." But if your fine with that and willing to admit it, then by all means, cheer on. Do you have any idea what "blind fanboyism" even means? Because I am not a band-wagon hopping person or a fair weather fan that makes me a blind fanboy? You realize we are posting on Team Liquid right? The same site where some guy gets a fan club because he can cover an entire map in creep. Should Laker fans have stopped supporting their team when Kobe raped a woman? Or Raven fans when Ray Lewis was suspected of murder? What about Penn State fans, students and alumni? Should they stop supporting their university because the figurehead of the entire school knowingly harbored a child molester? All I'm saying is I'm not going to stop supporting my favorite Starcraft team just because Coach Lee is a dick. I wasn't some kind of concierge to the team like Virgil was. For the second time none of my posts have anything to do with him lol.
I just re-read your post. "Blind fanboyism" is not the right term. Apologies for that. Just so I'm understanding your position better, you will remain a fan of TSL regardless of their players, management, negative press surrounding their team right? So you're basically a fan of the team TSL and not necessarily their substance or the make up of the team right?
I would say fair points on your analogies but the only problem is that those are highly developed situations. The history isn't just kobe bryant and his rape trial doesn't threaten the teams very existence.
I have a few things to say, just wanted to get a better understanding of your position before we engage in a discussion.
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wow, SC2 needs independent journalism...
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On January 20 2012 17:26 AndysRaulSioux wrote:
Safe to say that I'll never believe another post by Rekrul again.
guy with 25 posts in kneejerk reaction. wonderful.
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On January 20 2012 17:29 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 17:19 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 17:08 Angelbelow wrote:On January 20 2012 16:59 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:49 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:45 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:38 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:30 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:17 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:44 vasculaR wrote:
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I can't see your point because you did not make any. You said any stories coming up wouldn't change people's opinion regarding coach lee. I told you to read virgil's post. You clearly didn't, otherwise you would have seen that Virgil, as he stated in his post in this thread, was a huge fan of TSL and a friend of coach lee's. After these two threads he has said that he can no longer support TSL because of the shady stuff going behind the scenes. I hope the point got across now. Well you shouldn't let one person speak for everybody. I will be staying up until 3 AM to watch TSL in the GSTL and its players in the GSL until the team no longer exists. Just because the coach / manager of the team turns out to not be a patron saint doesn't mean I am going to forget about the past year and a half I have spent staying up and cheering for TSL, and then put all the Starcraft II teams names into a hat and pick a new team to follow. I think the reason virgil "doesn't support" TSL anymore has nothing to with players. "The Team SCV Life (TSL) is a top Korean StarCraft 2 team. It was founded by former MBC Heroes coach Lee Woon Jae.[1]" - From liquipedia TSL was based highly around the figure of coach lee, and now that these things are turning up and assuming he resignes, the team needs to change it's name, for better or for worse. Either way, as soon as coach lee is no longer associated with the team I think virgil will go back to being TSL(Or whatever new name they may adapt)#1 fan. Edit: Virgil just posted. Glad I understood what he meant all along, otherwise I would look like giant asshat. Okay you missed my point. I don't care what Virgil wrote or how he feels about the team because it has nothing to do with my interests. I was simply agreeing with the point that guy said about "you either like Coach Lee, like Rekrul, or don't care and you will continue to feel that way when this is all over". You said that wasn't the case because of a blog somebody wrote, which isn't true (for me at least). edit: worded poorly the first time Yeah, but will you still support coach lee? My attraction to TSL had nothing to do with Coach Lee, I originally started following the team because of Tester. Tester left and went to a different team but that didn't change anything for me, even though the reason I supported the team in the first place was gone. How do you support a team but not the coach? What does that even mean? Do I question his decisions in GSTL and complain about him in live report threads? When a player leaves his team am I happy that Coach Lee lost them, even though a player left my favorite team? How do I protest against Coach Lee but still support my favorite team? If Coach Lee left TSL, fine. If all of the players on the team left TSL and Coach Lee acquired a new roster, fine. As long as Team SCV Life is a functioning organization (in some capacity since the argument can be made that isn't the case right now) they will remain the team I support. You are the definition of "Blind fanboyism." But if your fine with that and willing to admit it, then by all means, cheer on. Do you have any idea what "blind fanboyism" even means? Because I am not a band-wagon hopping person or a fair weather fan that makes me a blind fanboy? You realize we are posting on Team Liquid right? The same site where some guy gets a fan club because he can cover an entire map in creep. Should Laker fans have stopped supporting their team when Kobe raped a woman? Or Raven fans when Ray Lewis was suspected of murder? What about Penn State fans, students and alumni? Should they stop supporting their university because the figurehead of the entire school knowingly harbored a child molester? All I'm saying is I'm not going to stop supporting my favorite Starcraft team just because Coach Lee is a dick. I wasn't some kind of concierge to the team like Virgil was. For the second time none of my posts have anything to do with him lol. I just re-read your post. "Blind fanboyism" is not the right term. Apologies for that. Just so I'm understanding your position better, you will remain a fan of TSL regardless of their players, management, negative press surrounding their team right? So you're basically a fan of the team TSL and not necessarily their substance or the make up of the team right?
Isn't that how it normally works? I'm from Chicago and am 23, so I watched the second set of the Bulls' three-peat. They are still my favorite NBA team even though nobody from that era is still on the team or apart of it (with the exception of the owner who ran that team into the ground anyways).
TSL's original players (Tester dominating the beta, Cliiiiiiiiiiide, Fruitdealer's cinderella GSL run, Sangho doing Nexus first builds in GSL2) are what made me cheer for the team in the first place, but they're all gone now. Being a spectator of a sport isn't fun unless you have a team to follow. Keeping up on transactions, paying attention to players in the Korean weeklies, Code A qualifiers etc. There will always be something that connects present TSL to past TSL. Revival is still on the team who was apart of their original GSTL teams. Revival will play in the GSTL with these new guys, and when / if Revival leaves some of those guys will be left. There is an entire new set of players I will get to know and watch this season, and some of those guys will be around when new players join and old players leave. That's how it works.
Wasn't there some blog posted a while ago that was linked in a GSTL write up about why it's fun to follow a team instead of individual players? Try finding that and read it, then maybe you will understand why I feel the way I do.
edit: the blog I referenced http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105191
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still doesnt change my views on lee. the same message still holds, he is still a bad person and a hypocrite.
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I trust Rekrul, but I doubted his sources for some of the details - so, not too surprising. Phew, at least esports hasn't come to the level of insanity which would have been to do that hit-me-on-hidden-cam stuff.
Not sure what to think of TSL coach now, except that he's clearly made already some massive bad reputation behind the scenes. On SotG it was mentioned that there's even more unrevealed dirt, whether it's also just rumour or not. At the very least, the guy doesn't manage to be likable and many people who know him claim very bad things about him, it seems.
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This is why "Rekrul has a 100% record on these types of things" isn't always good enough.
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On January 20 2012 17:10 VTArlock wrote:
I feel like this is a giant PR cover up...
Did Mr Lee blackmail Rekrul as well?
Thanks for the clarification though, it really did sound like exaggerations the first time. Made it seem like a TV thriller...
Apparently the FXOBoss rumored BW pros were going to be joining TSL. Hope these incidents don't put a dent to that.
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On January 20 2012 17:51 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 17:10 VTArlock wrote:
I feel like this is a giant PR cover up... Did Mr Lee blackmail Rekrul as well? Thanks for the clarification though, it really did sound like exaggerations the first time. Made it seem like a TV thriller... Apparently the FXOBoss rumored BW pros were going to be joining TSL. Hope these incidents don't put a dent to that.
I hope he get some BW pros that really mop up the current scene.
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