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three isnt exactly riddled.
and if you actually look at those three, it doesn't really change...anything.
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Story was a lot more fun when coach Lee was a Bond Villain. Oh, well.
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Doesn't change the fact that Coach Lee is probably an asshole and it's good that everyone knows that now.
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On January 20 2012 16:38 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 16:30 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:17 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:44 vasculaR wrote:On January 20 2012 15:37 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:33 vasculaR wrote:
either you
A) like rekrul
B) like Coach Lee
C) don't care.
Any story or truths will come out but it wouldn't change your A, B or C. You should go back and read virgil's post. I can't see your point because you did not make any. You said any stories coming up wouldn't change people's opinion regarding coach lee. I told you to read virgil's post. You clearly didn't, otherwise you would have seen that Virgil, as he stated in his post in this thread, was a huge fan of TSL and a friend of coach lee's. After these two threads he has said that he can no longer support TSL because of the shady stuff going behind the scenes. I hope the point got across now. Well you shouldn't let one person speak for everybody. I will be staying up until 3 AM to watch TSL in the GSTL and its players in the GSL until the team no longer exists. Just because the coach / manager of the team turns out to not be a patron saint doesn't mean I am going to forget about the past year and a half I have spent staying up and cheering for TSL, and then put all the Starcraft II teams names into a hat and pick a new team to follow. I think the reason virgil "doesn't support" TSL anymore has nothing to with players. "The Team SCV Life (TSL) is a top Korean StarCraft 2 team. It was founded by former MBC Heroes coach Lee Woon Jae.[1]" - From liquipedia TSL was based highly around the figure of coach lee, and now that these things are turning up and assuming he resignes, the team needs to change it's name, for better or for worse. Either way, as soon as coach lee is no longer associated with the team I think virgil will go back to being TSL(Or whatever new name they may adapt)#1 fan. Edit: Virgil just posted. Glad I understood what he meant all along, otherwise I would look like giant asshat.
Okay you missed my point. I don't care what Virgil wrote or how he feels about the team because it has nothing to do with my interests.
I was simply agreeing with the point that guy said about "you either like Coach Lee, like Rekrul, or don't care and you will continue to feel that way when this is all over". You said that wasn't the case because of a blog somebody wrote, which isn't true (for me at least).
edit: worded poorly the first time
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to be honest i doubted the original story from the begging despite being told that i could trust rekrul more then my mother
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On January 20 2012 16:40 shadymmj wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 16:29 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On January 20 2012 16:22 LilClinkin wrote:
If you're going to take a huge dump on some ones reputation in a very public forum like this, you owe it to them to at least deliver a somewhat non-biased, factual-based sequence of events pertaining to the situation. TL celebrity or not, what Rekrul posted was immature hyperbole. Regardless of how much of a saint/devil coach Lee is, IDK why most people here are just lapping this up and forgiving Rekrul with a gentle pat on the back. Rekrul didn't fly off the handle posting an entirely unsubstantiated story filled with inaccuracies and blatant lies. He posted a story that was meant to demonstrate the hypocritical actions of Coach Lee, but he did have some misinformation that he had not confirmed as factual. I'm pretty sure his initial post qualifies as "flying off the handle" and was, by his own admission, riddled with a number of inaccuracies. Remember what happened when a certain someone posted an incorrectly translated summary of Mr Chae's comments on the infamous Naniwa incident? Thousands of angry swedish people suddenly showed up in the thread and turned it into a cesspool. We don't need starcraft's equivalent of perez hilton operating outside the boundaries of good sense. Yes, he was right about the match fixing, thank you very much. But what's the harm in waiting for a clear statement from the parties involved? Why, do you want a medal for being a couple weeks early?
Notice how there was more to my sentence than just, "Rekrul didn't fly off the handle?" Should he have kept to the facts? Yes. As to your question, why wait for statements from the parties involved? What makes you think this news would've ever come out in the first place if Rekrul wasn't the one to do it? It's not a matter of "a couple weeks early", it's a matter of story vs no story.
This happened months and months ago and there had been no public discussion about it until Rekrul's post.
slight addendum for clarification: I was assuming the question about being early/statements were about the most recent post. If it's about the match fixing then I simply don't see its relevance.
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Although I did read the original deleted post and remember most of it, does anyone here have a copy+paste or screenshot of it? For reference, of course, since it was deleted.
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On January 20 2012 16:45 CuSToM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 16:38 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:30 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:17 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:44 vasculaR wrote:On January 20 2012 15:37 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:33 vasculaR wrote:
either you
A) like rekrul
B) like Coach Lee
C) don't care.
Any story or truths will come out but it wouldn't change your A, B or C. You should go back and read virgil's post. I can't see your point because you did not make any. You said any stories coming up wouldn't change people's opinion regarding coach lee. I told you to read virgil's post. You clearly didn't, otherwise you would have seen that Virgil, as he stated in his post in this thread, was a huge fan of TSL and a friend of coach lee's. After these two threads he has said that he can no longer support TSL because of the shady stuff going behind the scenes. I hope the point got across now. Well you shouldn't let one person speak for everybody. I will be staying up until 3 AM to watch TSL in the GSTL and its players in the GSL until the team no longer exists. Just because the coach / manager of the team turns out to not be a patron saint doesn't mean I am going to forget about the past year and a half I have spent staying up and cheering for TSL, and then put all the Starcraft II teams names into a hat and pick a new team to follow. I think the reason virgil "doesn't support" TSL anymore has nothing to with players. "The Team SCV Life (TSL) is a top Korean StarCraft 2 team. It was founded by former MBC Heroes coach Lee Woon Jae.[1]" - From liquipedia TSL was based highly around the figure of coach lee, and now that these things are turning up and assuming he resignes, the team needs to change it's name, for better or for worse. Either way, as soon as coach lee is no longer associated with the team I think virgil will go back to being TSL(Or whatever new name they may adapt)#1 fan. Edit: Virgil just posted. Glad I understood what he meant all along, otherwise I would look like giant asshat. Okay you missed my point. I don't care what Virgil wrote or how he feels about the team because it has nothing to do with my interests. I was simply agreeing with the point that guy said about "you either like Coach Lee, like Rekrul, or don't care and you will continue to feel that way when this is all over". You said that wasn't the case because of a blog somebody wrote, which isn't true (for me at least). edit: worded poorly the first time
Yeah, but will you still support coach lee? And I mean Coach lee personally, I know you will still support TSL that could be because of the players.
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Think it is time for a coach lee fanclub now! :D
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On January 20 2012 16:50 RetroAspect wrote:
Think it is time for a coach lee fanclub now! :D
No, it really isn't lol (if you're trolling, you got me lol)
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On January 20 2012 16:50 RetroAspect wrote:
Think it is time for a coach lee fanclub now! :D
LOL funny!
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On January 20 2012 16:44 Logros wrote:
Doesn't change the fact that Coach Lee is probably an asshole and it's good that everyone know that now.
Word.
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On January 20 2012 16:12 Subversive wrote:
A politician was sued in the UK for posting a defamatory tweet about his opponent. Sued for about 30K pounds iirc. Definitely counts as published in a fair few countries. Just because this is tl and not a news site doesn't make a difference :p.
Of course, British libel law is hardly as respectable a standard as the pound sterling.
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On January 20 2012 16:49 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 16:45 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:38 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:30 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:17 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:44 vasculaR wrote:On January 20 2012 15:37 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:33 vasculaR wrote:
either you
A) like rekrul
B) like Coach Lee
C) don't care.
Any story or truths will come out but it wouldn't change your A, B or C. You should go back and read virgil's post. I can't see your point because you did not make any. You said any stories coming up wouldn't change people's opinion regarding coach lee. I told you to read virgil's post. You clearly didn't, otherwise you would have seen that Virgil, as he stated in his post in this thread, was a huge fan of TSL and a friend of coach lee's. After these two threads he has said that he can no longer support TSL because of the shady stuff going behind the scenes. I hope the point got across now. Well you shouldn't let one person speak for everybody. I will be staying up until 3 AM to watch TSL in the GSTL and its players in the GSL until the team no longer exists. Just because the coach / manager of the team turns out to not be a patron saint doesn't mean I am going to forget about the past year and a half I have spent staying up and cheering for TSL, and then put all the Starcraft II teams names into a hat and pick a new team to follow. I think the reason virgil "doesn't support" TSL anymore has nothing to with players. "The Team SCV Life (TSL) is a top Korean StarCraft 2 team. It was founded by former MBC Heroes coach Lee Woon Jae.[1]" - From liquipedia TSL was based highly around the figure of coach lee, and now that these things are turning up and assuming he resignes, the team needs to change it's name, for better or for worse. Either way, as soon as coach lee is no longer associated with the team I think virgil will go back to being TSL(Or whatever new name they may adapt)#1 fan. Edit: Virgil just posted. Glad I understood what he meant all along, otherwise I would look like giant asshat. Okay you missed my point. I don't care what Virgil wrote or how he feels about the team because it has nothing to do with my interests. I was simply agreeing with the point that guy said about "you either like Coach Lee, like Rekrul, or don't care and you will continue to feel that way when this is all over". You said that wasn't the case because of a blog somebody wrote, which isn't true (for me at least). edit: worded poorly the first time Yeah, but will you still support coach lee?
My attraction to TSL had nothing to do with Coach Lee, I originally started following the team because of Tester. Tester left and went to a different team but that didn't change anything for me, even though the reason I supported the team in the first place was gone.
How do you support a team but not the coach? What does that even mean? Do I question his decisions in GSTL and complain about him in live report threads? When a player leaves his team am I happy that Coach Lee lost them, even though a player left my favorite team? How do I protest against Coach Lee but still support my favorite team? If Coach Lee left TSL, fine. If all of the players on the team left TSL and Coach Lee acquired a new roster, fine. As long as Team SCV Life is a functioning organization (in some capacity since the argument can be made that isn't the case right now) they will remain the team I support.
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On January 20 2012 16:59 CuSToM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 16:49 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:45 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:38 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:30 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:17 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:44 vasculaR wrote:On January 20 2012 15:37 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:33 vasculaR wrote:
either you
A) like rekrul
B) like Coach Lee
C) don't care.
Any story or truths will come out but it wouldn't change your A, B or C. You should go back and read virgil's post. I can't see your point because you did not make any. You said any stories coming up wouldn't change people's opinion regarding coach lee. I told you to read virgil's post. You clearly didn't, otherwise you would have seen that Virgil, as he stated in his post in this thread, was a huge fan of TSL and a friend of coach lee's. After these two threads he has said that he can no longer support TSL because of the shady stuff going behind the scenes. I hope the point got across now. Well you shouldn't let one person speak for everybody. I will be staying up until 3 AM to watch TSL in the GSTL and its players in the GSL until the team no longer exists. Just because the coach / manager of the team turns out to not be a patron saint doesn't mean I am going to forget about the past year and a half I have spent staying up and cheering for TSL, and then put all the Starcraft II teams names into a hat and pick a new team to follow. I think the reason virgil "doesn't support" TSL anymore has nothing to with players. "The Team SCV Life (TSL) is a top Korean StarCraft 2 team. It was founded by former MBC Heroes coach Lee Woon Jae.[1]" - From liquipedia TSL was based highly around the figure of coach lee, and now that these things are turning up and assuming he resignes, the team needs to change it's name, for better or for worse. Either way, as soon as coach lee is no longer associated with the team I think virgil will go back to being TSL(Or whatever new name they may adapt)#1 fan. Edit: Virgil just posted. Glad I understood what he meant all along, otherwise I would look like giant asshat. Okay you missed my point. I don't care what Virgil wrote or how he feels about the team because it has nothing to do with my interests. I was simply agreeing with the point that guy said about "you either like Coach Lee, like Rekrul, or don't care and you will continue to feel that way when this is all over". You said that wasn't the case because of a blog somebody wrote, which isn't true (for me at least). edit: worded poorly the first time Yeah, but will you still support coach lee? My attraction to TSL had nothing to do with Coach Lee, I originally started following the team because of Tester. Tester left and went to a different team but that didn't change anything for me, even though the reason I supported the team in the first place was gone. How do you support a team but not the coach? What does that even mean? Do I question his decisions in GSTL and complain about him in live report threads? When a player leaves his team am I happy that Coach Lee lost them, even though a player left my favorite team? How do I protest against Coach Lee but still support my favorite team? If Coach Lee left TSL, fine. If all of the players on the team left TSL and Coach Lee acquired a new roster, fine. As long as Team SCV Life is a functioning organization (in some capacity since the argument can be made that isn't the case right now) they will remain the team I support.
^^ A true fan,or maybe you're just loyal to TSL cause of their badass jacket (jk), god I want one so badly.
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On January 20 2012 16:59 CuSToM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 16:49 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:45 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:38 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:30 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:17 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:44 vasculaR wrote:On January 20 2012 15:37 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:33 vasculaR wrote:
either you
A) like rekrul
B) like Coach Lee
C) don't care.
Any story or truths will come out but it wouldn't change your A, B or C. You should go back and read virgil's post. I can't see your point because you did not make any. You said any stories coming up wouldn't change people's opinion regarding coach lee. I told you to read virgil's post. You clearly didn't, otherwise you would have seen that Virgil, as he stated in his post in this thread, was a huge fan of TSL and a friend of coach lee's. After these two threads he has said that he can no longer support TSL because of the shady stuff going behind the scenes. I hope the point got across now. Well you shouldn't let one person speak for everybody. I will be staying up until 3 AM to watch TSL in the GSTL and its players in the GSL until the team no longer exists. Just because the coach / manager of the team turns out to not be a patron saint doesn't mean I am going to forget about the past year and a half I have spent staying up and cheering for TSL, and then put all the Starcraft II teams names into a hat and pick a new team to follow. I think the reason virgil "doesn't support" TSL anymore has nothing to with players. "The Team SCV Life (TSL) is a top Korean StarCraft 2 team. It was founded by former MBC Heroes coach Lee Woon Jae.[1]" - From liquipedia TSL was based highly around the figure of coach lee, and now that these things are turning up and assuming he resignes, the team needs to change it's name, for better or for worse. Either way, as soon as coach lee is no longer associated with the team I think virgil will go back to being TSL(Or whatever new name they may adapt)#1 fan. Edit: Virgil just posted. Glad I understood what he meant all along, otherwise I would look like giant asshat. Okay you missed my point. I don't care what Virgil wrote or how he feels about the team because it has nothing to do with my interests. I was simply agreeing with the point that guy said about "you either like Coach Lee, like Rekrul, or don't care and you will continue to feel that way when this is all over". You said that wasn't the case because of a blog somebody wrote, which isn't true (for me at least). edit: worded poorly the first time Yeah, but will you still support coach lee? My attraction to TSL had nothing to do with Coach Lee, I originally started following the team because of Tester. Tester left and went to a different team but that didn't change anything for me, even though the reason I supported the team in the first place was gone. How do you support a team but not the coach? What does that even mean? Do I question his decisions in GSTL and complain about him in live report threads? When a player leaves his team am I happy that Coach Lee lost them, even though a player left my favorite team? How do I protest against Coach Lee but still support my favorite team? If Coach Lee left TSL, fine. If all of the players on the team left TSL and Coach Lee acquired a new roster, fine. As long as Team SCV Life is a functioning organization (in some capacity since the argument can be made that isn't the case right now) they will remain the team I support.
I think many people confuse me for the average TSL fan. I had a fairly personal relationship with the coach as a person, not as the coach of TSL. After these revelations, should they be true, I feel that the Coach Lee I knew as a friend is not actually who he really is. In that sense, no, I will not be supporting the TSL coach, as the hard times brought upon my favorite team came from faults within him. I think it's easy to look at the situation saying that he was trying to do what's best for the team, no matter the cost. However, I think he lost sight of the team as a bond between the coach and the individual players.
The main point I was trying to make with my post is that for all the hard work I put into trying to defend my friends honor before the angry mob of TeamLiquid users, it turned out he was not the man he portrayed himself as. I hope you can see how it would be a little hard to continue to wish to stick my neck out for him.
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Can't help but get the feeling from this thread that some "higher-ups" forced or should I say advised Rekrul to write this.
This is just a complete U-turn compared to the original thread, not sure what to believe in anymore.
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On January 20 2012 16:59 CuSToM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 16:49 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:45 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:38 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:30 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:17 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:44 vasculaR wrote:On January 20 2012 15:37 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:33 vasculaR wrote:
either you
A) like rekrul
B) like Coach Lee
C) don't care.
Any story or truths will come out but it wouldn't change your A, B or C. You should go back and read virgil's post. I can't see your point because you did not make any. You said any stories coming up wouldn't change people's opinion regarding coach lee. I told you to read virgil's post. You clearly didn't, otherwise you would have seen that Virgil, as he stated in his post in this thread, was a huge fan of TSL and a friend of coach lee's. After these two threads he has said that he can no longer support TSL because of the shady stuff going behind the scenes. I hope the point got across now. Well you shouldn't let one person speak for everybody. I will be staying up until 3 AM to watch TSL in the GSTL and its players in the GSL until the team no longer exists. Just because the coach / manager of the team turns out to not be a patron saint doesn't mean I am going to forget about the past year and a half I have spent staying up and cheering for TSL, and then put all the Starcraft II teams names into a hat and pick a new team to follow. I think the reason virgil "doesn't support" TSL anymore has nothing to with players. "The Team SCV Life (TSL) is a top Korean StarCraft 2 team. It was founded by former MBC Heroes coach Lee Woon Jae.[1]" - From liquipedia TSL was based highly around the figure of coach lee, and now that these things are turning up and assuming he resignes, the team needs to change it's name, for better or for worse. Either way, as soon as coach lee is no longer associated with the team I think virgil will go back to being TSL(Or whatever new name they may adapt)#1 fan. Edit: Virgil just posted. Glad I understood what he meant all along, otherwise I would look like giant asshat. Okay you missed my point. I don't care what Virgil wrote or how he feels about the team because it has nothing to do with my interests. I was simply agreeing with the point that guy said about "you either like Coach Lee, like Rekrul, or don't care and you will continue to feel that way when this is all over". You said that wasn't the case because of a blog somebody wrote, which isn't true (for me at least). edit: worded poorly the first time Yeah, but will you still support coach lee? My attraction to TSL had nothing to do with Coach Lee, I originally started following the team because of Tester. Tester left and went to a different team but that didn't change anything for me, even though the reason I supported the team in the first place was gone. How do you support a team but not the coach? What does that even mean? Do I question his decisions in GSTL and complain about him in live report threads? When a player leaves his team am I happy that Coach Lee lost them, even though a player left my favorite team? How do I protest against Coach Lee but still support my favorite team? If Coach Lee left TSL, fine. If all of the players on the team left TSL and Coach Lee acquired a new roster, fine. As long as Team SCV Life is a functioning organization (in some capacity since the argument can be made that isn't the case right now) they will remain the team I support. Oh, okay then. I was never one of the biggest fans of TSL(I have nothing against them, they're just not my favorite team - that would be slayers), but I saw them as Coach lee's team. Your vision of the team is different than mine and I respect that.
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On January 20 2012 16:59 CuSToM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 16:49 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:45 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:38 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 16:30 CuSToM wrote:On January 20 2012 16:17 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:44 vasculaR wrote:On January 20 2012 15:37 dmnum wrote:On January 20 2012 15:33 vasculaR wrote:
either you
A) like rekrul
B) like Coach Lee
C) don't care.
Any story or truths will come out but it wouldn't change your A, B or C. You should go back and read virgil's post. I can't see your point because you did not make any. You said any stories coming up wouldn't change people's opinion regarding coach lee. I told you to read virgil's post. You clearly didn't, otherwise you would have seen that Virgil, as he stated in his post in this thread, was a huge fan of TSL and a friend of coach lee's. After these two threads he has said that he can no longer support TSL because of the shady stuff going behind the scenes. I hope the point got across now. Well you shouldn't let one person speak for everybody. I will be staying up until 3 AM to watch TSL in the GSTL and its players in the GSL until the team no longer exists. Just because the coach / manager of the team turns out to not be a patron saint doesn't mean I am going to forget about the past year and a half I have spent staying up and cheering for TSL, and then put all the Starcraft II teams names into a hat and pick a new team to follow. I think the reason virgil "doesn't support" TSL anymore has nothing to with players. "The Team SCV Life (TSL) is a top Korean StarCraft 2 team. It was founded by former MBC Heroes coach Lee Woon Jae.[1]" - From liquipedia TSL was based highly around the figure of coach lee, and now that these things are turning up and assuming he resignes, the team needs to change it's name, for better or for worse. Either way, as soon as coach lee is no longer associated with the team I think virgil will go back to being TSL(Or whatever new name they may adapt)#1 fan. Edit: Virgil just posted. Glad I understood what he meant all along, otherwise I would look like giant asshat. Okay you missed my point. I don't care what Virgil wrote or how he feels about the team because it has nothing to do with my interests. I was simply agreeing with the point that guy said about "you either like Coach Lee, like Rekrul, or don't care and you will continue to feel that way when this is all over". You said that wasn't the case because of a blog somebody wrote, which isn't true (for me at least). edit: worded poorly the first time Yeah, but will you still support coach lee? My attraction to TSL had nothing to do with Coach Lee, I originally started following the team because of Tester. Tester left and went to a different team but that didn't change anything for me, even though the reason I supported the team in the first place was gone. How do you support a team but not the coach? What does that even mean? Do I question his decisions in GSTL and complain about him in live report threads? When a player leaves his team am I happy that Coach Lee lost them, even though a player left my favorite team? How do I protest against Coach Lee but still support my favorite team? If Coach Lee left TSL, fine. If all of the players on the team left TSL and Coach Lee acquired a new roster, fine. As long as Team SCV Life is a functioning organization (in some capacity since the argument can be made that isn't the case right now) they will remain the team I support.
You are the definition of "Blind fanboyism." But if your fine with that and willing to admit it, then by all means, cheer on.
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I wonder what dirt Coach Lee had on Rekrul to allow him to force Rekrul to say this
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