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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 06:38:43
January 20 2012 06:38 GMT
#161
On January 20 2012 15:36 Vei wrote:
So many people leave TSL compared to other teams, there has to be something up just the players are too shy/classy to tell the public.

I'm kinda finding it funny how a lot of this stuff has been speculated about by Korean pros, so they must know something's going on.
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
January 20 2012 06:38 GMT
#162
On January 20 2012 15:36 Eulerzman wrote:
I am not taking the opposite side. I dont give a crap either way about Lee tbh. I just think if someone is supposed to be giving an apology for screwing things up he should just give a real apology not some half assed "but im still right" statement.

The edit was to add in "should"


The thing is he IS still right.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
January 20 2012 06:38 GMT
#163
I'm sure Rekrul learned a valuable lesson about sensationalism. It's a good thing he is who he is or this would be a bigger deal than it will end up being.
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Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
January 20 2012 06:38 GMT
#164
On January 20 2012 15:36 Eulerzman wrote:
I am not taking the opposite side. I dont give a crap either way about Lee tbh. I just think if someone is supposed to be giving an apology for screwing things up he just give a real apology not some half assed "but im still right" statement.

I think he is forced to right that apology, so obviously it is not sincere. Because he is in Korea, he can be sued for any information on internet.

I am sure if he were in America and coach Lee contacted and demanded apology, he'd laugh to his face and say "fuck off". I'd do that.
Love and Justice
Profile Joined August 2011
United States87 Posts
January 20 2012 06:39 GMT
#165
On January 20 2012 15:36 Vei wrote:
So many people leave TSL compared to other teams, there has to be something up just the players are too shy/classy to tell the public.


Accually Alive talked about some of the issues going on with TSL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=304268
"No banglings, no problem." (ZeNEXLine)
Phyrigian
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand1332 Posts
January 20 2012 06:40 GMT
#166
--- Nuked ---
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
January 20 2012 06:41 GMT
#167
On January 20 2012 15:38 Xxavi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 15:36 Eulerzman wrote:
I am not taking the opposite side. I dont give a crap either way about Lee tbh. I just think if someone is supposed to be giving an apology for screwing things up he just give a real apology not some half assed "but im still right" statement.

I think he is forced to right that apology, so obviously it is not sincere. Because he is in Korea, he can be sued for any information on internet.

I am sure if he were in America and coach Lee contacted and demanded apology, he'd laugh to his face and say "fuck off". I'd do that.


You can be sued for this in America too?_?

Especially if he can make a case that this can hamper his career.The only difference is that you are more anonymous.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
January 20 2012 06:42 GMT
#168
On January 20 2012 15:41 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 15:38 Xxavi wrote:
On January 20 2012 15:36 Eulerzman wrote:
I am not taking the opposite side. I dont give a crap either way about Lee tbh. I just think if someone is supposed to be giving an apology for screwing things up he just give a real apology not some half assed "but im still right" statement.

I think he is forced to right that apology, so obviously it is not sincere. Because he is in Korea, he can be sued for any information on internet.

I am sure if he were in America and coach Lee contacted and demanded apology, he'd laugh to his face and say "fuck off". I'd do that.


You can be sued for this in America too?_?

Especially if he can make a case that this can hamper his career.The only difference is that you are more anonymous.

I guess cross-continental suing is more difficult? Hahaha. Idk, I don't deal with law.
Ponyo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1231 Posts
January 20 2012 06:42 GMT
#169
Well Coach Lee is still the in wrong ! Happy I read it the first unedited time.
ponyo.848
vasculaR
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia791 Posts
January 20 2012 06:44 GMT
#170
On January 20 2012 15:37 dmnum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 15:33 vasculaR wrote:
either you
A) like rekrul
B) like Coach Lee
C) don't care.
Any story or truths will come out but it wouldn't change your A, B or C.

You should go back and read virgil's post.


I can't see your point because you did not make any.
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Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
January 20 2012 06:46 GMT
#171
On January 20 2012 15:17 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 15:01 getSome[703] wrote:
Good post. Glad you are owning up to it.

However, I really didn't like that Chill basically said in the last post: "if you disagree with rekrul but have no evidence it is a bannable offense." Some of the stuff you said in that post really did seem over the top, and a lot of people called you out on it but were for the most part shouted down by moderators and forum vets. Yeah you do provide a lot of inside information.. but even a little research would have shown that some of your info was incorrect (Coach Lee wasn't desperate or whatever - I remember someone pointing to a link that said he ran a pc bang or something).

Also, I think it was a poor choice to delete the thread because now all the posts of the warnings/bans given for no reason are gone and everything I am quoting is from memory. I guess it is in the interest of the TL staff/you, but still kinda shady imo.

Edit:
Edit: having TL delete the entire thread as it is too libelous.


It definitely would have been better to put a disclaimer "THIS INFORMATION IS INCORRECT" at the top of the thread or something and lock it, with a link to this thread.

Yea well I didn't like that Rekrul said bullshit. WTF rekrul?

Edit: I can't overturn bans (only admins can) but they should obviously all be reversed.

Edit 2: It's not something I typically do. Just trusted Rekrul since he has a 100% success rate previous to this. People with no history here won't understand it and it's easy to say told you so. Anyways, sorry about that.


Ehh, they shouldn't be reversed. Maybe reconsidered. Some of them were clearly trolling but that's up to the admins to decide.
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tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
January 20 2012 06:46 GMT
#172
On January 20 2012 15:22 Oiseaux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 15:18 Phyrigian wrote:
who cares if some things/rumours were not true, in the end the bottom line remains the same.

On January 20 2012 15:11 tuho12345 wrote:
I think the OP really fucked up by spreading wrong information that change the image and reputation of coach Lee and yourself. Think about this's the last time that I will ever read anything from you. If you wanna talk shit about others, at least speak the truths and be sure about it, not just I heard blah blah blah on the street.


who cares about what you think of rekrul, honestly? it's extremely condescending the way you wrote "i won't read anything from you again" when all of his previous claims or things hes heard have been correct? if you're going to talk shit and say "im not going to read anything you say blah blah", at least read what rekruls written before, because things like the matchfixing scandal were huge.


I honestly was just laughing at the post. I love how he refers to Rekrul as "the OP." I'll be the first to admit I'm a hardcore SC newbie (only been following SC2 for a year, read about BW history but never followed it). With that in mind, even I know who Rekrul is and that he's not just some scrub you can shrug off when he comes out with info like this.

bold: but he did pull some bullshit off and now apologize for it didn't he?
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
January 20 2012 06:50 GMT
#173
On January 20 2012 15:42 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 15:41 windsupernova wrote:
On January 20 2012 15:38 Xxavi wrote:
On January 20 2012 15:36 Eulerzman wrote:
I am not taking the opposite side. I dont give a crap either way about Lee tbh. I just think if someone is supposed to be giving an apology for screwing things up he just give a real apology not some half assed "but im still right" statement.

I think he is forced to right that apology, so obviously it is not sincere. Because he is in Korea, he can be sued for any information on internet.

I am sure if he were in America and coach Lee contacted and demanded apology, he'd laugh to his face and say "fuck off". I'd do that.


You can be sued for this in America too?_?

Especially if he can make a case that this can hamper his career.The only difference is that you are more anonymous.

I guess cross-continental suing is more difficult? Hahaha. Idk, I don't deal with law.

I don't know Korean Law at all but I'd guess in America it is a lot harder to prove what he said was slanderous. Rekrul could argue that he had good reason to believe what was said about Coach Lee was true and therefore he is completely protected under the law. In Korea, (I think but I don't know), the courts are more sensitive to slanderous things like what Rekrul posted.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Rayeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States883 Posts
January 20 2012 06:52 GMT
#174
Pretty weak IMO. Not really sure how it counts as libel for stating somethings that you think. TBH not sure how any forum post counts as posting facts as this is not really a news site. BUt I guess the laws in Korea are different somehow? Can they get you for a post on a non-Korean internet forum? Weird.

If it's something he thinks is true he should just leave it there, if it isn't what he thinks why post it in the first place? If it was rumors or whatnot just put that in there and you're good. No reason to delete the thread.
The Innocent shall suffer... big time.
MrSkyfire
Profile Joined January 2012
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 07:01:50
January 20 2012 07:01 GMT
#175
I dont believe this. Rekrul has reputation for always being right. I think what happened is Lee read korean version and is blackmailing people again. Isnt spunky doing poker? or in the past sometime? Lee probably blackmailing him saying that 'if I go down, you go down too' (cuz gambling illegal) and spunky tell rekrul to take down post so he doesnt wind up in shit. Why would rekrul post half assed apology so fast and get post delete so quick? It doesnt make sense unless blackmailed.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
January 20 2012 07:02 GMT
#176
to apologise is all and well, but don't you think you should refrain from lashing out/rumour-mongering in the future in general chat? there is a blog section....
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 07:04:20
January 20 2012 07:04 GMT
#177
I love how in the original thread, people got shit all over by the 'veterans' for daring to question whether we could take Rekrul's word as law.

Hopefully this serves as notice to those of you that it's difficult for anyone to write without bias, and that no-one remembers events perfectly.
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
January 20 2012 07:07 GMT
#178
I'm sorry to see that there were misunderstandings going around. I hope we can get some real transparency around the issues, for the sake of the players involved. I hope any other Korean players or coaches who can confirm this (or deny it, i suppose) will come forward
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Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 07:11:14
January 20 2012 07:09 GMT
#179
On January 20 2012 15:52 Rayeth wrote:
Pretty weak IMO. Not really sure how it counts as libel for stating somethings that you think. TBH not sure how any forum post counts as posting facts as this is not really a news site. BUt I guess the laws in Korea are different somehow? Can they get you for a post on a non-Korean internet forum? Weird.

If it's something he thinks is true he should just leave it there, if it isn't what he thinks why post it in the first place? If it was rumors or whatnot just put that in there and you're good. No reason to delete the thread.



While Rek was a bit sensationalistic ect, I still think the bulk of his OP still holds merit for us.

I personally doubt he would have retracted any of it, but as soon as I heard someone mention "Korean Netizen" in the op, and as I simultaneously started thinking about Slayers Jessica suing teenagers on twitter... it REALLY doesn't seem out of place for a foreigner in Korea to not want to risk legal trouble and getting sued over gossip, and over something that can be argued as much more defamatory. Rek's a poker player remember? He knows when to fold em' :p
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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 07:13:25
January 20 2012 07:12 GMT
#180
On January 20 2012 15:52 Rayeth wrote:
Pretty weak IMO. Not really sure how it counts as libel for stating somethings that you think. TBH not sure how any forum post counts as posting facts as this is not really a news site. BUt I guess the laws in Korea are different somehow? Can they get you for a post on a non-Korean internet forum? Weird.

If it's something he thinks is true he should just leave it there, if it isn't what he thinks why post it in the first place? If it was rumors or whatnot just put that in there and you're good. No reason to delete the thread.

A politician was sued in the UK for posting a defamatory tweet about his opponent. Sued for about 30K pounds iirc. Definitely counts as published in a fair few countries. Just because this is tl and not a news site doesn't make a difference :p.

On January 20 2012 16:01 MrSkyfire wrote:
I dont believe this. Rekrul has reputation for always being right. I think what happened is Lee read korean version and is blackmailing people again. Isnt spunky doing poker? or in the past sometime? Lee probably blackmailing him saying that 'if I go down, you go down too' (cuz gambling illegal) and spunky tell rekrul to take down post so he doesnt wind up in shit. Why would rekrul post half assed apology so fast and get post delete so quick? It doesnt make sense unless blackmailed.

OR he got a letter/phone call from Lee's lawyer. That seems 10x more likely than spunky is being black-mailed.
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