|
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/t0qZo.png)
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_SHOUTcraft_Invitational/4 http://www.shoutcraft.com/
"Colin Smith is saving ESPORTS! The $5000 SHOUTcraft 2-day Invitational Powered by the community, for the community The SHOUTcraft Invitational series is the biggest, self-funded, unsponsored tournament series in Starcraft 2. Thus far we've done everything with no corporate sponsorship and intend to keep doing that. This tournament is a community-fueled, high-stakes, electrifying live event with some of the best players SC2 has to offer, battling it out in the SHOUTcraft Single-elimination format."
Saturday, Jan 14 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)Group stage![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TQ65r.jpg) Group play is Bo3, Round Robin, Top 2 advance Group 1 Group 2![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4XA2V.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/d3J41.png) On January 14 2012 08:52 TotalBiscuit wrote:
We estimate 12 hours for Day 1 and about 6-8 for Day 2 give or take. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4eC9t.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/geLPD.jpg) Recaps written by Zvenn3n in Blog sectionGroup 1+ Show Spoiler [Results NightEnd - ThorZaIN] ++ Show Spoiler [Results NightEnd - Stephano] ++ Show Spoiler [Results NightEnd - DarKFoRcE] ++ Show Spoiler [Results ThorZaIN - Stephano] ++ Show Spoiler [Results ThorZaIN - DarKFoRcE] ++ Show Spoiler [Results Stephano - DarKFoRcE] ++ Show Spoiler [Results Group] +1.  Stephano 3-0 6-3 2.  ThorZaIN 1-2 4-4 3.  NightEnD 1-2 4-5 4. DarKFoRcE 1-2 3-5 Stephano advances with first place, playing against second place of Group 2 tomorrow ThorZaIN advances with second place, playing against first place of Group 2 tomorrow NightEnD eliminated DarKFoRcE eliminated ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xpy37.jpg) Official annoucement threadPlayer IntrosThorzain Player Intro Liquid`Ret Player IntroGrubby Player Intro ClouD Player IntroSocke Player Intro NightEnD Player IntroDarKFoRcE Player Intro Stephano Player Intro![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dtVFy.jpg) First Place - $2500 Second Place - $1200 Third Place - $600 Fourth Place - $300 Knocked out in RO8 - $100 + Show Spoiler [Format] +The top 2 players will proceed forward and the bottom 2 players will be eliminated. The remaining 4 players will be seeded into the RO4 depending on their performance. Seed 1 from group A will then play Seed 2 from group B. Seed 1 from group B will play Seed 2 from group A. These matches will be BO5 Who sponsors this tournament? - This tournament is paid for by the ad revenue from the Showcraft livestreams and generous donations from the community during SHOUTcraft Invitational 3. Of special mention is Colin Smith, after whom this tournament is named, who has donated an outstanding amount of money to this series not once, but twice. SHOUTcraft has always been about both entertaining the audience with star-studded matches and giving back to our pros, so to deal with this issue we will be trialling a "bounty" system. Players who have no chance of advancing (which will occur if they lose have lost their first 2 BO3s) will qualify for a $50 comeback bounty, if they are able to win their final BO3.
|
Sweet looking thread. Is the first game decided tomorrow?
|
OMG YES grubby not in stephano's group, i wanna see them in the finals GOGO! :D
|
On January 14 2012 11:12 Xcobidoo wrote:
Sweet looking thread. Is the first game decided tomorrow?
To be honest, I don´t know anything. The SCI always used it´s announcement thread as LR threads. Since SCI3 it takes 2 day, for me it´s ok to make a thread for the single days.
I hope it´s ok for TB and the mods.
|
|
|
Thorzain vs. Stephano going to be pretty sick!
Hopefully Thorzain hasn't let InControl's victory over him tilt him too much. If he slumps as a result of that, I'm going to be devastated.
|
On January 14 2012 12:25 Leifish wrote:
Thorzain vs. Stephano going to be pretty sick!
Hopefully Thorzain hasn't let InControl's victory over him tilt him too much. If he slumps as a result of that, I'm going to be devastated.
I think he cared very, very little in that match. Not a chance that he's going to "slump" because of a match that meant nothing, as for his overall form though I am really unsure what ThorZaIN we will see tomorrow.
|
I'm thinking Stephano is gonna be going to the bank again
|
<3 these events so much. Thank you for bringing them to us TB  !
|
Group A:
1. Thorzain
2. Stephano
Group B:
1. Socke
2. Grubby
|
rooting for nightend / darkforce and socke / cloud!
|
|
|
Just listened to the player intro's and TB's voice is amazing
|
|
|
Still need a foreign terran champion.
Rooting for Thorzain today.
|
hells yes!! getter started, go Thorzain, Terran love!
|
Oh live thread, very nice. Way to many good players to choose favourite for me. Go everybody!
|
|
|
Which map are they playing on?
|
Nice timing there Nightend 
|
Gogo ThorZaIN! Rooting for him to take the entire thing.
|
On January 14 2012 19:29 Zvenn3n wrote:
Which map are they playing on?
1st map for ThorZain vs NightEnd is  Terminus SE
|
|
|
|
|
Ah, This is how you play TvP
Edit: Or not? lol -_-'
|
imagine if that PF finished
|
Zealots just do not die
|
wow i don't know what to say -_-
|
|
|
|
|
How did Nightend win that ? Wow........
|
|
|
Hahahah.. Well that was ridiculous.
|
|
|
very good play by nightend
|
Thorzain would've crushed if he had his vikings attacking and his ghosts EMP'ing. Instead he moved his vikings all the way to the back and was verrrrrry late on the EMPs. Incredibly sloppy.
|
Even though I do say so myself, I love Zealots: strong and hardy warriors of Aiur.
|
Great play by Nightend. Looked to me like Thorzain maxed out with too many scvs, especially since Nightend suicided probes.
|
On January 14 2012 19:43 cbRRRR wrote:
very good play by nightend
Indeed. I find it very hard to break T contains as P. Wouldnt even wanna try vs the mighty thorzain haha.
|
Wellplayed by Nightend i do think Thorzain should have got that planatery fortress up earlier then it would have never braked
|
On January 14 2012 19:44 Elwar wrote:
Thorzain would've crushed if he had his vikings attacking and his ghosts EMP'ing. Instead he moved his vikings all the way to the back and was verrrrrry late on the EMPs. Incredibly sloppy.
Agree he wasn't prepared, when Nightend decided to bust in.
Also some extra baracks in front of the bunkers would have helped a lot, not letting the zealots go into melee range and deal dmg to the bunkers, since he needed the extra bio production buildings anyway.
|
need the replay asap 
|
Wood league here with a question. Adding few helions in Thorzains composition would make things worse for him or better?
|
On January 14 2012 19:46 n0ave wrote:Agree he wasn't prepared, when Nightend decided to bust in.
Also some extra baracks in front of the bunkers would have helped a lot, not letting the zealots go into melee range and deal dmg to the bunkers, since he needed the extra bio production buildings anyway.
I don't think he wasn't prepared per se. His vikings were at the front when the attack started, he move commanded them to the back at almost the exact moment the colossi started firing on the bunkers. He was too busy setting up the PF and extra rax, extra CCs, not paying attention to the only thing that mattered, the battle.
|
Its funny cause TB voice-acted in HoN... lol
|
I have a feeling there won't be any terrans in the Ro4.
|
Apollo, not good with laptops or cars.
|
the marine got slaughtered probably by a zealot, look at the minimap tb
|
|
|
Still no Gas on that expansion for NightEnd?
|
With that many bases T-zain should go for more baracks.
|
|
|
Reaper Transition... hmmm
|
Man Thorzain.... You are insane.
|
|
|
Terriblespot to engage from nightend :/ Going into a choke
|
Thorzain... countering Zealots with Reapers... oh yeah.
|
Omg reapers are amasing in the lategame lol
wtf. That was amasing Thorzain
|
Ghost reaper, real manly army. :D
|
Terrible position to engage for NightEnd - kited into the choke and blanketed by EMPs.
Edit/ Don't think Reapers had much to do with it, tbh.
|
+3 reapers do a lot of damage I guess.
|
i think it was rather emp + positioning than the reaper, as much as i want reaper to be great :/
|
Very nice stuff from thorzain, those zealots really did melt wow.
|
|
|
On January 14 2012 20:13 Swiv wrote:
i think it was rather emp + positioning than the reaper, as much as i want reaper to be great :/
it was EMP and reapers and all those zealots just disappeared
|
Nightend with really dodgy micro. Casters overhyping. He was sniping the zealots so I don't know if it was that or the reapers killing them but either way he should never have attacked into that choke.
|
+3 reaper with emp is crazy fkn good if no storms go off
|
I like the look of reapers and vikings. Fire is sexy.
Edit: I don't get ads, only a message saying that they are playing and that blockers are bad. Gimme them ads, TB!
|
BW terran music awww yeah
|
The last game pretty much sums up why Im such a fanboy of Thorzain. (even if I don't really think he 'broke' the metagame...)
|
|
|
On January 14 2012 20:14 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:13 Swiv wrote:
i think it was rather emp + positioning than the reaper, as much as i want reaper to be great :/ it was EMP and reapers and all those zealots just disappeared
He was sniping them too, I think that did more than the Reapers who mostly died to collosus. Mostly though he just attacked into the choke so was always going to lose regardless. Kind of a shame that we didn't get to see the reapers properly without the Protoss making such a bad engagement.
|
Why was game music so cool in the 90s and now it all sucks ass
|
I would have liked to see the Reapers reap NightEnd's main/production, seriously, what's to lose by doing that?
|
It was mainly ghosts, reapers was just being flashy.
|
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops.
|
On January 14 2012 20:16 PraefektMotus wrote:
Why was game music so cool in the 90s and now it all sucks ass
Probably due to limitations pushing creativity. Maybe.
|
On January 14 2012 20:16 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:14 HappyChris wrote:On January 14 2012 20:13 Swiv wrote:
i think it was rather emp + positioning than the reaper, as much as i want reaper to be great :/ it was EMP and reapers and all those zealots just disappeared He was sniping them too, I think that did more than the Reapers who mostly died to collosus. Mostly though he just attacked into the choke so was always going to lose regardless. Kind of a shame that we didn't get to see the reapers properly without the Protoss making such a bad engagement.
True, But I do think its a valid tactic if the protoss go so zealot heavy. Gonna be interesting to see if this "Thorzain special tactic" catch on
|
On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops.
No one builds cannons late game ever.
The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game.
|
On January 14 2012 20:19 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:16 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:14 HappyChris wrote:On January 14 2012 20:13 Swiv wrote:
i think it was rather emp + positioning than the reaper, as much as i want reaper to be great :/ it was EMP and reapers and all those zealots just disappeared He was sniping them too, I think that did more than the Reapers who mostly died to collosus. Mostly though he just attacked into the choke so was always going to lose regardless. Kind of a shame that we didn't get to see the reapers properly without the Protoss making such a bad engagement. True, But I do think its a valid tactic if the protoss go so zealot heavy. Gonna be interesting to see if this "Thorzain special tactic" catch on
I'd like to see it vs MC, Hero, Huk or some other Protoss with really nice micro.
|
Stream is stuttering badly for me now
|
omg what just happened! wp nightend <3
|
Wow, Suprice Thorzain cant be happy about that
|
very intelligent play by nightend.
|
Thorzain shouldnt have expanded before putting down some bunkers.. :< Might as well play it safe after killing the nexus...
|
Really nicely played out by our favorite helium vampire!
|
On January 14 2012 20:23 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:19 HappyChris wrote:On January 14 2012 20:16 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:14 HappyChris wrote:On January 14 2012 20:13 Swiv wrote:
i think it was rather emp + positioning than the reaper, as much as i want reaper to be great :/ it was EMP and reapers and all those zealots just disappeared He was sniping them too, I think that did more than the Reapers who mostly died to collosus. Mostly though he just attacked into the choke so was always going to lose regardless. Kind of a shame that we didn't get to see the reapers properly without the Protoss making such a bad engagement. True, But I do think its a valid tactic if the protoss go so zealot heavy. Gonna be interesting to see if this "Thorzain special tactic" catch on I'd like to see it vs MC, Hero, Huk or some other Protoss with really nice micro.
Sure if MMA or MVP control them:D my money on the reapers
|
On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game.
You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time.
It's not about REmaxing, it's about being able to defend while maxed and banking 3k minerals.
|
On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time.
I play Zerg. Never seen any top player get a lot of cannons in the super later. Definitely not in the way Zerg does with spines. I've plenty games where Protoss trades armys and warps in 30 archons though.
|
On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. It's not about REmaxing, it's about being able to defend while maxed and banking 3k minerals.
I thought the discussion was about pro level play, not masters. You don't see pros cannoning the map
|
On January 14 2012 20:29 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. I play Zerg. Never seen any top player get a lot of cannons in the super later. Definitely not in the way Zerg does with spines. I've plenty games where Protoss trades armys and warps in 30 archons though.
Maybe the metagame is shifting because in the last week, I'm terran, and every late game, meaning anything past 25 minutes, if toss smells any drops, there are cannons on every base.
On January 14 2012 20:30 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:29 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. I play Zerg. Never seen any top player get a lot of cannons in the super later. Definitely not in the way Zerg does with spines. I've plenty games where Protoss trades armys and warps in 30 archons though. Maybe the metagame is shifting because in the last week, I'm terran, and every late game, meaning anything past 25 minutes, if toss smells any drops, there are cannons on every base.
The discussion is 100% theoretical, because in that game Terran didn't have PFs everywhere either.
And why would a pro player not have either a high templar or cannons defending bases if they are floating 5k minerals?
|
wasn't this the music of dustwood?
|
On January 14 2012 20:18 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:16 PraefektMotus wrote:
Why was game music so cool in the 90s and now it all sucks ass Probably due to limitations pushing creativity. Maybe.
I just don't get the priorities. Millions of dollars are shelled out for fancy CG art, but dialog is goddamn terrible and the music has barely any atmosphere. So much immersion is lost without cool music.
Alas, I don't want to derail the thread. Awesome Bo3 to start off the tournament, didn't expect Nightend to take this.
Edit: TB showing balls by playing WoW music during a Starcraft tournament
|
On January 14 2012 20:30 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:29 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. I play Zerg. Never seen any top player get a lot of cannons in the super later. Definitely not in the way Zerg does with spines. I've plenty games where Protoss trades armys and warps in 30 archons though. Maybe the metagame is shifting because in the last week, I'm terran, and every late game, meaning anything past 25 minutes, if toss smells any drops, there are cannons on every base. Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:30 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:29 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. I play Zerg. Never seen any top player get a lot of cannons in the super later. Definitely not in the way Zerg does with spines. I've plenty games where Protoss trades armys and warps in 30 archons though. Maybe the metagame is shifting because in the last week, I'm terran, and every late game, meaning anything past 25 minutes, if toss smells any drops, there are cannons on every base. The discussion is 100% theoretical, because in that game Terran didn't have PFs everywhere either.
fair enough
|
On January 14 2012 20:30 rushian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. It's not about REmaxing, it's about being able to defend while maxed and banking 3k minerals. I thought the discussion was about pro level play, not masters. You don't see pros cannoning the map
I have seen hero do it many times in pvz and pvt
|
On January 14 2012 20:29 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. I play Zerg. Never seen any top player get a lot of cannons in the super later. Definitely not in the way Zerg does with spines. I've plenty games where Protoss trades armys and warps in 30 archons though.
I want to see that lategame where the toss has 9000 gas banked up :p.
You're not really right about the cannons btw, people throw them down like 5 per base just. As zerg does, just not vZ because zerg never harasses anyways ;d!
|
On January 14 2012 20:31 msjakofsky wrote:wasn't this the music of dustwood?
Duskwood* and yes it is.
A few other areas too but Duskwood in particular.
|
I want Thorzain to get of his slump asap! I really like his plays...
|
This is odd, the english stream is just starting Stephano vs Darkforce but it's been on the french stream for the last 2 minutes.
|
On January 14 2012 20:34 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:31 msjakofsky wrote:wasn't this the music of dustwood? Duskwood* and yes it is. A few other areas too but Duskwood in particular.
hehe i miss wow now. didn't play it for like 5 years. i remember once a huge ass dragon killed me in the middle of that map
|
France12795 Posts
What the fuck was that waiting music?
It's scary, like making uncomfortable -;- who thought it would be a good idea for starcraft t;t
|
TB had few minutes delay on his stream in past, maybe this time too.
|
On January 14 2012 20:36 Vindicare605 wrote:
This is odd, the english stream is just starting Stephano vs Darkforce but it's been on the french stream for the last 2 minutes.
There's a delay to prevent the players from cheating.
|
|
|
Gogogo DarkForce! And lol at the sound "problem" ^^"
|
|
|
|
|
On January 14 2012 20:32 Fyzar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 20:29 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:27 MrCash wrote:On January 14 2012 20:22 Seraphone wrote:On January 14 2012 20:17 MrCash wrote:
The EMP was key, whether it was marines or reapers, good storms would crush a basic bio army.
Reapers with good control will definitely do better than marines and without a doubt offer more utility, however are harder to control and require a substantial amount of skill to use simultaneously with vikings and ghosts.
And about what Apollo said, late game TvP, late game is more difficult for the player with smaller economy.
Just like Terran can PF anything, Protoss can cannon up the entire map and every base for much less money.
As good as drops can be, they can be nullified by protoss without any supply investment, when Terran has to dedicate units to defend toss drops. No one builds cannons late game ever. The advantage of Protoss in late game is their ability to instantly remax if they have the gates. Mostly though TvP is just about who micro's better in the ball vs ball big battle that decides the entire game. You must not survive much late game PvT then, because protoss in masters do it all the time. I play Zerg. Never seen any top player get a lot of cannons in the super later. Definitely not in the way Zerg does with spines. I've plenty games where Protoss trades armys and warps in 30 archons though. I want to see that lategame where the toss has 9000 gas banked up :p. You're not really right about the cannons btw, people throw them down like 5 per base just. As zerg does, just not vZ because zerg never harasses anyways ;d!
I thought he was talking about making walls of cannons across the map, not putting 3-5 at his expos for drop defence.
Puzzle vs SC on Daybreak from GSL November is the one I remember best, but I've seen others.
|
France12795 Posts
|
Damn missed thorzain but this ZvZ is pretty good indeed
|
I have the firm believe, that watching zvz, in starcraft 1 and especially in starcraft 2 (because of banelings), is bad for my heart.
|
Such a nice game. Ling/Baneling micro wars turning into roach makro game
|
|
|
awesome game, very back and forth
|
man DF, why did you attack before infestors -.-
|
|
|
|
|
On January 14 2012 20:50 Swiv wrote:
man DF, why did you attack before infestors -.-
Didn't understand that either.
|
Switzerland2892 Posts
Darkforce threw this game...
|
|
|
DarKFoRcE plz win
|
On January 14 2012 20:50 Swiv wrote:
man DF, why did you attack before infestors -.-
So true, econ lead why attack.
|
Stephano got a nice flank there. Intentionally or not he baited Darkforce into pushing too far into the natural
|
Stephano spouting some MJ lyrics.
|
Missed Thorzain vs Nightend![[image loading]](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3817/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif) When will the vods be available?
|
On January 14 2012 20:56 CaptainCharisma wrote:
Stephano spouting some MJ lyrics.
And Lionel Richie. :p
|
|
|
On January 14 2012 20:58 aTnClouD wrote:Missed Thorzain vs Nightend When will the vods be available?
About 2 hours on their channel I think, theres already uploaded a bit of the 1st game http://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit/b/305434320
|
As a Terran player I feel sorry for Zerg's having to play ZvZ. What a horrible match-up. Every game I see starts with a ling baneling battle, which looks extremely fragile.
|
I hate how DarKFoRcE always gets behind in upgrades
|
darkforce... why did you not move those infestors...?
why not burrowing your roaches so that they heal faster...?
|
|
|
Darkforce doesn't really value his drones a whole lot lol.
|
very good game by both of them.
|
huge misinterpretation lol
|
that was some awesome back and forth action
|
Got the game spoilered by Stephanos twitter
|
man that was tense, DF should go double evo as well
|
On January 14 2012 21:12 xkare wrote:Got the game spoilered by Stephanos twitter
Me too. 3-4 minutes ahead of stream.
|
On January 14 2012 21:13 AlternativeEgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 21:12 xkare wrote:Got the game spoilered by Stephanos twitter Me too. 3-4 minutes ahead of stream.
...then why are you checking his twitter instead of actually watching the game for 3 minutes longer? -.-
|
almost 16k viewers. Not bad!
|
On January 14 2012 21:14 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 21:13 AlternativeEgo wrote:On January 14 2012 21:12 xkare wrote:Got the game spoilered by Stephanos twitter Me too. 3-4 minutes ahead of stream. ...then why are you checking his twitter instead of actually watching the game for 3 minutes longer? -.-
I checked my twitter. I just had to take a sec' to get rid of that "(1)" in the tab. I just had to.
|
|
|
the schedule auf group A doesnt make sense to me
why does darkforce have to play 3 times in a row?
|
Not exactly sure what the point is for dividing the audience in a Day 1 thread vs the overall official tournament thread. Both are live updated threads. The official tournament thread also has the mod staff + organizers (self included obviously) keeping it up to date. Just creates a bit of confusion to me I guess as I'm not going to be looking for feedback on stream quality, sound levels, etc in any other thread than our own. (My 2 cents)
|
On January 14 2012 21:18 robih wrote:
the schedule auf group A doesnt make sense to me
why does darkforce have to play 3 times in a row?
TB asked the players if they wanted their matches to be spread out, or be right after each other.
Saw it on Grubby's stream yesterday , he's trying to make it the best for all players.
|
On January 14 2012 21:18 robih wrote:
the schedule auf group A doesnt make sense to me
why does darkforce have to play 3 times in a row?
When I scheduled the groups, some players asked for all their matches to be out of the way at once and others asked for them to be broken up. We try to accommodate.
|
On January 14 2012 21:18 Swiv wrote:http://www.shoutcraft.com/here you can watch what has been donated for the players so far, and donate yourself
Nice, TZ & NightEnD already having 100 & 78 dollars in the pocket .
|
On January 14 2012 21:21 Intricacy wrote:
Not exactly sure what the point is for dividing the audience in a Day 1 thread vs the overall official tournament thread. Both are live updated threads. The official tournament thread also has the mod staff + organizers (self included obviously) keeping it up to date. Just creates a bit of confusion to me I guess as I'm not going to be looking for feedback on stream quality, sound levels, etc in any other thread than our own. (My 2 cents)
Sorry for that, wrote a PM yesterday night to TotalBiscuit if it´s ok to make this. It was quite late and he had for sure many things to do, so it´s no wonder that he didn´t answer.
If you wish so I ask a mod to close this.
|
On January 14 2012 21:23 Hondelul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 21:21 Intricacy wrote:
Not exactly sure what the point is for dividing the audience in a Day 1 thread vs the overall official tournament thread. Both are live updated threads. The official tournament thread also has the mod staff + organizers (self included obviously) keeping it up to date. Just creates a bit of confusion to me I guess as I'm not going to be looking for feedback on stream quality, sound levels, etc in any other thread than our own. (My 2 cents) Sorry for that, wrote a PM yesterday night to TotalBiscuit if it´s ok to make this. It was quite late and he had for sure many things to do, so it´s no wonder that he didn´t answer. If you wish so I ask a mod to close this.
Just a question to Intricacy, if you plan on having the announcement thread as the LR thread as well, would you mind adding a results tab?
|
If he said it's fine, then by all means keep it open. I just don't actively look for other threads to respond to as it makes more work for me. This thread just happened to be linked to me, otherwise I would've never seen it.
|
holy shit what an engagment from stephano o.0
|
|
|
wait what
16 roaches vs 61 at one point and holds
|
Huge engagement by Darkforce, followed by an even better engagement by Stephano!
|
can't believe he won that, so impressive
|
On January 14 2012 21:26 Intricacy wrote:If he said it's fine, then by all means keep it open. I just don't actively look for other threads to respond to as it makes more work for me. This thread just happened to be linked to me, otherwise I would've never seen it.
He didn´t say it´s fine, that´s the point ^^ I got no answer and to be honest, posted it before I asked. So I really would have no hard feelings if you say the Announcement thread is used for LR
|
Great ZvZ. Stephano allmost never lose a ZvZ serie he allways seems to come up with something even if it looks like he will lose
|
Great series, zvz can be pretty sweet
|
Ok, its official, Stephano is a god, no idea how he got away with skipping infestor tech for that long...amazing
|
awwww DF you almost had the game
but great series!
|
Switzerland2892 Posts
Darkforce must be so mad at himself after game 1 and 3 :/
He had them but has done such a big mistake in both of them
|
Well, what to say... the better player (in terms of mechanics) won the series...
Or maybe I have been staring too much at darkforce's play that I only found slips in his mechanics?
|
On January 14 2012 21:18 robih wrote:
the schedule auf group A doesnt make sense to me
why does darkforce have to play 3 times in a row?
He wants to do it as TB said
|
Man darkforce didn't play that well in the endgame. Lost ~3-4 Infestor to 3 or 4 Roaches, lost more tech and eco than he needed to, because his roaches were all standing and not chasing Stephano's roaches and he didn't expect infestors, because all roaches were clumped up.
His early to midgame is great, he was ahead in all three games, but his decisionmaking/multitasking later in the game is sadly a little bit weaker. If Darkforce improves the last bits of his ZvZ, he really could be one of the strongest Zergplayers in this matchup.
I hope he will still advance out of his group, but it will be very hard.
|
Yeah, according to TB, most of the players (with the exception of ThorZaIN) wanted to play their games in a row.
|
How long until ThorZaIN vs Darkforce? 12:00 GMT = 13:00 CET???
|
On January 14 2012 21:32 JustPassingBy wrote:
Well, what to say... the better player (in terms of mechanics) won the series...
Or maybe I have been staring too much at darkforce's play that I only found slips in his mechanics?
No, I believe you are right :D
|
|
|
Stephano playing 2 cups at once? :D
|
On January 14 2012 21:46 Demonaz wrote:
Stephano playing 2 cups at once? :D
more money to take to ze bank that way
|
That Rally-point hurts so much >_<
|
LOL wtf am I watching? SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!
|
|
|
lol ghosts ... and he didn't even use cloak.
|
What in the world is this game xd.
Snipe so strong, nice from DF saving his infestors with a defensive nydus.
e; ''Split map'' Tal'Darim Altar, dear lord ;p.
|
Damn, this is a crazy TvZ o_o
|
DarkForce should leave already, Thorzain has 20 ghosts = game over.
|
Outspooned is word they should use.
|
OMFG dat seeker LOL
someone gif that :D
|
Russian Federation112 Posts
Thorzain's style is boring =(
|
On January 14 2012 22:19 EdouarKiLL wrote:
Thorzain's style is boring =(
Yea it's getting quite silly atm.
|
Thorzain really living up to his name here :D
|
Wouldn't call it boring, i would call it confident :p Also, how often do we see Seeker missiles being used on brood lords? :D
|
|
|
GG, the spoon is back in town
...that's game ONE ladies and gentlemen >.<
|
lol, ok that spoon is long and painfull:D
|
Hahahah. The power of the spoon shown once again!
|
|
|
Gogo Daybreak...
here we go again :D
|
Let's hope he wins 2-0 As much as i enjoy long games i feel sorry for the poor fellow he pulls appart ... slowly inch by inch.
|
If only there were nukes as well.. Why no nukes T-Zain?!
|
He's learned from the goody.
|
if it goes on like this, day 1 will end at 3am CET.
|
They are 90 minutes behind schedule. Thank god they didn't invite Goody or the tourney would have to end next weekend :p
|
LOL at the guys who complain about TZain's style.
|
And when ThorZaIN goes for 2-RAX on ladder, people bitch about cheesy play. Eco cheesy, right? -_-
|
On January 14 2012 22:24 mandigal wrote:
They are 90 minutes behind schedule. Thank god they didn't invite Goody or the tourney would have to end next weekend :p
I dont even want to think how long a TvT between Goody and Thorzain might go..
|
Question though, i see with donations all players donations end at 16th, but Socke's at 17th ? Is it like a reward for being the current champion or ?
|
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play
|
On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play
Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts.
|
On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts.
My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude.
|
lol, stephano is now playing in the sennheiser finals after he lost to babyknight in the xmg gi cup
|
On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude.
Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy.
|
Ultra ling baneling is good vs that many ghosts because you dont give them the time to snipe due to the banelings killing everything. What killed darkforce was ultimately the choice of never switching to ultras after killing the siege tanks. On a different map, like daybreak, probably sticking to broodlord is better, but on such a wide map I think a strong switch would have done it. Too bad, but I think Darkforce can still win next 2 games!
|
On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts.
Yes, you can. Thorzain's tanks are spread all over the map so the only real concentrated defence Thorzain has is the ghosts and planetary fortresses. Even if Thorzain spends time sniping any ultras he's still going to have a rough time because of all the lings/banelings/fungal growth. You can't move while sniping. If he stands still too long his ghosts are going to get rolled by banelings/lings.
|
France12795 Posts
On January 14 2012 22:31 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude. Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy.
Stephano crushed ThorZain playing a similar style in MSI pro cup final, with ultras etc.
|
Wow.. Spoon tactics has messed up Darkforce big time.
|
|
|
Poor DarKFoRcE, ThorZaIN completely destroyed him psychologically there, his mind just wasn't in the game that last game.
|
Welp, darkforce got spoon'd
|
On January 14 2012 22:31 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude. Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy.
If you think Ghosts are good vs Ultras you are wrong.
|
On January 14 2012 22:42 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:31 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude. Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy. If you think Ghosts are good vs Ultras you are wrong.
If you think Ultras are good vs Snipe/Tanks/Planetaries you are also wrong.
|
On January 14 2012 22:42 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:31 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude. Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy. If you think Ghosts are good vs Ultras you are wrong.
Have you ever watched a decent Terran play lategame TvZ? Snipe DECIMATES Ultras, its not even funny how quick those things die to a pack of ghosts.
|
btw. was it mentioned when the cast will continue? I missed the last part... <.<
|
On January 14 2012 22:52 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:42 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:31 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude. Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy. If you think Ghosts are good vs Ultras you are wrong. Have you ever watched a decent Terran play lategame TvZ? Snipe DECIMATES Ultras, its not even funny how quick those things die to a pack of ghosts.
Yes i would say i have seen around 150 lategame TvZ's, you are wrong.
11 snipers to kill one ultra, do you even realize how long this takes?
110 snipes to kill 10 ultras, takes like 10 seconds, and you cant do anything else.
Let me add this, if you think "that it's not even funny how quick" a few ghosts kill 1 Ultra you really dont know what you are talking about. We are talking about 1 big fight here.
|
Does Darkforce still have any chance to advance or is he already out?
|
stephano can still go 3-0 and the other players tie at 1-2.
|
On January 14 2012 23:00 werynais wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 22:52 Hall0wed wrote:On January 14 2012 22:42 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:31 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude. Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy. If you think Ghosts are good vs Ultras you are wrong. Have you ever watched a decent Terran play lategame TvZ? Snipe DECIMATES Ultras, its not even funny how quick those things die to a pack of ghosts. Yes i would say i have seen around 150 lategame TvZ's, you are wrong. 11 snipers to kill one ultra, do you even realize how long this takes? 110 snipes to kill 10 ultras, takes like 10 seconds, and you cant do anything else. Let me add this, if you think "that it's not even funny how quick" a few ghosts kill 1 Ultra you really dont know what you are talking about. We are talking about 1 big fight here.
So all in all very cost effective, anyway you calculate a single unit vs another single unit, luckily it does not work that way.
I understand what cloud means though, perhaps Ultra's were better if only for there meatshields and taking away energy from ghosts so ling/bling/investor can do the cleanup.
|
On January 14 2012 23:00 vdale wrote:
Does Darkforce still have any chance to advance or is he already out?
If Stephano wins all his matches he would be 3-0 and all others might be 1-2 in matches. The won/lost maps will decide in this situation. And if DF wins he gets 50$ due to TB´s system so there are no meaningless matches
|
df's macro is really slipping
|
what is tb talking about? df still has the chance of a 1-2 tie.
|
I don't really understand the chip in system, can someone explain ? Why are some players so low like Grubby, cloud, stephano, ret and socke
|
Grubby, Cloud, Ret and Socke haven´t played yet. That makes a the difference. Stephano I don´t know
|
On January 14 2012 23:15 Gevna wrote:
I don't really understand the chip in system, can someone explain ? Why are some players so low like Grubby, cloud, stephano, ret and socke
They havent played yet. Stephano's is apparently bugged at 0.
|
people possibly thinking steph has already enough in ze bank^^
|
Stephano and NightEnd seems to be the two advancing from the first group. NightEnd will probably take darkforce in the second game and I (sadly) dont see Thorzain beating Stephano.
|
TB has stated Steph's counter is broked! :p
|
Ok thanks, it makes sense now
|
On January 14 2012 23:14 JustPassingBy wrote:
what is tb talking about? df still has the chance of a 1-2 tie.
TB is right.
Stephano is 1-0 atm. Thorzain is 1-1. They have not played eachother yet. Regardless of who wins, one of them will have 2 wins after the match, and therefore both of them can't get 1-2, so no, DF can't move on, he's out.
Edit: To clarify, if he beats Nightend, it won't matter, however if he had won against either Thorzain or Stephano and then lost to Nightend, it could in theory have been a three-way-tie at the bottom with Nightend winning the group with 3-0.
|
On January 14 2012 23:06 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 23:00 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:52 Hall0wed wrote:On January 14 2012 22:42 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:31 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:29 werynais wrote:On January 14 2012 22:27 Lysanias wrote:On January 14 2012 22:26 Absentia wrote:
Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter doesn't really work when your terran opponent has an army composition that is
a) more mobile
b) directly counters it
Ultra/ling/bane/infestor would've been a much better composition on that map in my opinion. Thorzain's army was spread all over the place and ghosts as mobile defence really aren't that great when there's ultras and banelings in play Can't go Ultra for that many ghosts. My god, he didn't have 40 ghosts from the beginning dude. Did not say he did, but when Broodlords came out Thorzain already had plenty, you think if he saw Ultra he would not have gone for that amount of ghosts ? With planetary's and tanks to back it up he countered Ultra easy. If you think Ghosts are good vs Ultras you are wrong. Have you ever watched a decent Terran play lategame TvZ? Snipe DECIMATES Ultras, its not even funny how quick those things die to a pack of ghosts. Yes i would say i have seen around 150 lategame TvZ's, you are wrong. 11 snipers to kill one ultra, do you even realize how long this takes? 110 snipes to kill 10 ultras, takes like 10 seconds, and you cant do anything else. Let me add this, if you think "that it's not even funny how quick" a few ghosts kill 1 Ultra you really dont know what you are talking about. We are talking about 1 big fight here. So all in all very cost effective, anyway you calculate a single unit vs another single unit, luckily it does not work that way. I understand what cloud means though, perhaps Ultra's were better if only for there meatshields and taking away energy from ghosts so ling/bling/investor can do the cleanup.
No, thats exactly what i didn't do.
|
On January 14 2012 23:21 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 23:14 JustPassingBy wrote:
what is tb talking about? df still has the chance of a 1-2 tie. TB is right. Stephano is 1-0 atm. Thorzain is 1-1. They have not played eachother yet. Regardless of who wins, one of them will have 2 wins after the match, and therefore both of them can't get 1-2, so no, DF can't move on, he's out.
Stephano wins all matches: 3-0
Thorzain losing to Stephano: 1-2
Nighend losing to Darkforce and Stephano: 1-2
DF winning against Nightend: 1-2
Maps would decide, but yeah, very unlikely for DF and with the 0-2 against Thorzain I think it´s over
|
On January 14 2012 23:23 Hondelul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 23:21 HaXXspetten wrote:On January 14 2012 23:14 JustPassingBy wrote:
what is tb talking about? df still has the chance of a 1-2 tie. TB is right. Stephano is 1-0 atm. Thorzain is 1-1. They have not played eachother yet. Regardless of who wins, one of them will have 2 wins after the match, and therefore both of them can't get 1-2, so no, DF can't move on, he's out. Stephano wins all matches: 3-0 Thorzain losing to Stephano: 1-2 Nighend losing to Darkforce and Stephano: 1-2 DF winning against Nightend: 1-2 Maps would decide, but yeah, very unlikely for DF and with the 0-2 against Thorzain I think it´s over
Edit: No, he's out anyway, he can't go through on mapscore in the current situation. He's 1-5 atm, making a comeback this series would make 3-5 for him. If Thorzain/Nightend loses as much as possible the remaining games, then Thorzain will have 3-4 and Nightend will have 3-5. DF would then beat Nightend on head-to-head score, but not against Thorzain, neither on head-to-head or mapscore, so he is in fact out of the tournament period as of now. Even if he had won the first game against Nightend (0-1 atm), he would have 3-4, and still lose vs Thorzain on head-to head.
|
DF has way too many hydras, Nightend is going to win I guess
€
ok, that went pretty well for DF, didn't expect that.
|
Come on Darkforce, go kill him!
|
I think it was a terrible idea to let DF play all three matches in a row, he already played bad vs Tzain
|
|
|
Think DarkForce played too long vs Thorzain, there was a little too much spoon in that ending...
|
No cannons late game Protoss you say?
/s
|
NOOO stream froze when df np'd the mommaship....
|
mmm why DT instead of HT ?
|
Literally a gold base... Lol
|
The return of the cracklings.
One of the most cost effective units in the game.
I'm grateful as a terran that more zergs don't spam them every game.
|
awesome awesome awesome games by darkforce on taldarim
so sad that he is not advancing
|
what the hell was that O.O
insane comeback by DF!
|
|
|
haha, mad respect for fighting until the last ling for df =)
|
wow awesome game from darkforce
|
Darkforce: I kind of love you.
Wow.
I'm protoss and I can't be mad about that.
|
omgg crazy comeback for real!!
|
BLs Infestors Queens.
Most cost efficient zerg units. energy and unit generator like BLs are awsome in these conditions.
|
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Wow I just love Darkforce's late game.
|
Beautiful play by Darkforce. So glad to see him trying stuff like tons of nydus and neural mothership.
|
wow tb just gave darkforce a $100 tip for that game.
|
as long as the score is equal or better for thorzain vs stephano than it is for nightend vs stephano, thorzain is through
|
There are zergs that complain about archon toilet and mobility of infestor broodlord, and there is DarkForce
|
Online tournaments with players at home result in such intense games to watch
Really makes a lot of difference if they are in front of a stressful audience instead of snuggled into their comfortable chairs at home.
|
On January 15 2012 00:14 aTnClouD wrote:
DARKFORCE FUCKING HERO
NO MAN SOCKE STILL HAS TO PLAY
*fanboy*
|
Brood lord infestor Mothership. The most broken composition ever made.
wow tb just gave darkforce a $100 tip for that game.
Well deserved.
|
This is why I love foreigner-only competition. Foreigners as a whole may not be quite as good as Koreans, but the skill level among them is so close that they will produce games like this. Pure entertainment. Imagine some two Koreans in there roflstomping everything. While skill is definitely important in a competition, I'm enjoying this a LOT more.
|
glad to see tries to pull his best off even if hes already out. well deserved comeback and what an epic end for this series
|
anyone have a link that describe how the subscription work on twitch ?
OT : amazing job by darkforce
|
On January 14 2012 22:31 Swiv wrote:
lol, stephano is now playing in the sennheiser finals after he lost to babyknight in the xmg gi cup
And he won 2-0 against Nerchio. Not bad.
Gogo NightEnd!
|
stephano losing his clear sight while playing 3 tourneys at the same time ^^
|
love that improvised intro
|
Seriously, the chemistry between dApollo and TotalBiscuit is amazing. Like Tastosis level.
|
Same lose than vs MC in HSC4
|
Awesome play , Nightend!!!
GG!! and gogo next!
|
On January 15 2012 00:33 Roberi wrote:
Seriously, the chemistry between dApollo and TotalBiscuit is amazing. Like Tastosis level.
dApollo kinda lacks game knowledge. Obviously not completely, but compared to others. And TB is no artosis.
I don't mind it, tbh, but that's a small difference.
|
On January 15 2012 00:40 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 00:33 Roberi wrote:
Seriously, the chemistry between dApollo and TotalBiscuit is amazing. Like Tastosis level. dApollo kinda lacks game knowledge. Obviously not completely, but compared to others. And TB is no artosis. I don't mind it, tbh, but that's a small difference.
What? dApollo lacks game knowledge? You can't be serious O_o
If Artosis told you that dApollo is a very good caster would that change your mind?
|
On January 15 2012 00:40 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 00:33 Roberi wrote:
Seriously, the chemistry between dApollo and TotalBiscuit is amazing. Like Tastosis level. dApollo kinda lacks game knowledge. Obviously not completely, but compared to others. And TB is no artosis. I don't mind it, tbh, but that's a small difference.
I wasn't talking about game knowledge. I wrote chemistry, as in how the two work together. This is opinions, you and I are entitled to one.
|
On January 15 2012 00:44 Roberi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 00:40 DamageControL wrote:On January 15 2012 00:33 Roberi wrote:
Seriously, the chemistry between dApollo and TotalBiscuit is amazing. Like Tastosis level. dApollo kinda lacks game knowledge. Obviously not completely, but compared to others. And TB is no artosis. I don't mind it, tbh, but that's a small difference. I wasn't talking about game knowledge. I wrote chemistry, as in how the two work together. This is opinions, you and I are entitled to one.
Dude, you don't have to be a dick.
I know you were talking about chemistry. I decided to continue to compare the casters.
edit: Did I say you were wrong somehow?
|
thanks for all the tips! i thought everyone would hate me after i failed so hard in the first two matches.
|
It was more that everyone was shouting at their monitors "Just attack and kill him Darkforce!!"
Crazy what amounts of money get donated if there is an opportunity
|
On January 15 2012 00:49 DarKFoRcE wrote:
thanks for all the tips! i thought everyone would hate me after i failed so hard in the first two matches.
that was some awesome play! you just earned a fan gogo darkforce ~^.^~
|
On January 15 2012 00:49 DarKFoRcE wrote:
thanks for all the tips! i thought everyone would hate me after i failed so hard in the first two matches.
You impressed me tonight, sir. Well played!
|
On January 15 2012 00:48 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 00:44 Roberi wrote:On January 15 2012 00:40 DamageControL wrote:On January 15 2012 00:33 Roberi wrote:
Seriously, the chemistry between dApollo and TotalBiscuit is amazing. Like Tastosis level. dApollo kinda lacks game knowledge. Obviously not completely, but compared to others. And TB is no artosis. I don't mind it, tbh, but that's a small difference. I wasn't talking about game knowledge. I wrote chemistry, as in how the two work together. This is opinions, you and I are entitled to one. Dude, you don't have to be a dick. I know you were talking about chemistry. I decided to continue to compare the casters. edit: Did I say you were wrong somehow?
This isn't me being a dick. I'm actually trying hard not to be one. You responded to my post by writing something quite irrelevant. I was praising them, saying they were doing great while you put them down.
Just thought it was strange is all. Sorry if you took it the wrong way.
|
Epic game on taldrim DF
over $500 tips for DF, nice
|
i cannot watch anymore, lagging hard. anyone else with that prob?
|
little bit funky game imo
|
On January 15 2012 00:49 DarKFoRcE wrote:
thanks for all the tips! i thought everyone would hate me after i failed so hard in the first two matches.
people will never hate you if they see that you really try hard
|
On January 15 2012 00:49 DarKFoRcE wrote:
thanks for all the tips! i thought everyone would hate me after i failed so hard in the first two matches.
Don't worry about it, just keep suprising us in future tournaments
|
On January 15 2012 00:49 DarKFoRcE wrote:
thanks for all the tips! i thought everyone would hate me after i failed so hard in the first two matches.
You deserve it because you fighted although you were out gj m8
|
On January 15 2012 00:49 DarKFoRcE wrote:
thanks for all the tips! i thought everyone would hate me after i failed so hard in the first two matches.
Wtf, Darkforce its 4 amasing players that can beat and lose to eachother any given day. You played amasing in you games just not enough it happends dont get down on youself buddy:D
|
On January 15 2012 00:40 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 00:33 Roberi wrote:
Seriously, the chemistry between dApollo and TotalBiscuit is amazing. Like Tastosis level. dApollo kinda lacks game knowledge. Obviously not completely, but compared to others. And TB is no artosis. I don't mind it, tbh, but that's a small difference.
Huh? Besides actual pro gamers who commentate quite often like Hasu, Apollo is together with Artosis and Rotti the best color caster in the whole scene.
|
Very little herass with the muta's tbh
|
nice blink up the cliff nightend, kill them pesky mutas
|
Darkforce gets 700$ for for 1 game where he had huge lead and Nightend barely came back and then NE made a mistake and lost >.>
Something is not right about that ,Nightend gets no love.
|
apollo is an amazing caster. him and TB are one of the best duos in the world.
|
On January 15 2012 01:18 Ryps wrote:
Darkforce gets 700$ for for 1 game where he had huge lead and Nightend barely came back and then NE made a mistake and lost >.>
Something is not right about that ,Nightend gets no love.
Love is not a fair thing.
|
Why did he get 700 $ when he went 1-2? Can someone explain?
|
Nightend needs like 12 more gates imo
|
On January 15 2012 01:20 Champloo wrote:
Why did he get 700 $ when he went 1-2? Can someone explain?
Because people are free to donate money to who ever they want ?
|
what the hell is nightend doing? that late of a fleet beacon when he was floating 3000/2000???
|
On January 15 2012 01:20 Champloo wrote:
Why did he get 700 $ when he went 1-2? Can someone explain?
Cause he played a fucking amazing game.
|
why is he engaging it straight up??? just fucking force a base trade when you don't have a mothership. Really strange decision making by nightend.
|
On January 15 2012 01:20 Champloo wrote:
Why did he get 700 $ when he went 1-2? Can someone explain?
Yeah, people who tip players who do not deserve them are killing eSports!
|
disgusting play by nightend. gg
|
not even close
no way to beat that zergball without vortex
On January 15 2012 01:22 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:20 Champloo wrote:
Why did he get 700 $ when he went 1-2? Can someone explain? Cause he played a fucking amazing game.
One of the best comebacks in a long time
|
wow did anything special happaned to darkforce or why have people already tiped him 7xx$
|
Stephano advanced 100 % right?
|
You just can not beat that composition without a mothership.
The Brood Lord's strike just acts as a wall keeping your Archons back, you need the toilet to kill the Brood Lords. What Grubby said at Homestory Cup was very apt, in regards to people considering the Archon Toilet is too strong, it's there to deal with a very specific situation from Zerg which Protoss can otherwise not deal with. I think it makes for an interesting scenario.
|
okay, so does anyone know if they're counting winratio or head-to-head first?
if thorzain loses 0-2 vs stephano, he has 3-4, nightend has 4-5
3/7 > 4/9: thorzain would still have better winratio
however nightend won the head-to-head game
who would advance?
On January 15 2012 01:28 leo23 wrote:
Stephano advanced 100 % right?
Yup, he'll be #2 if he loses this game though
|
3-4 is always better than 4-5 since 2-0 + 1-2 is better than 1-2 and 2-1. Thorzain should advance even with 2-0 loss next game
|
On January 15 2012 01:29 HaXXspetten wrote:okay, so does anyone know if they're counting winratio or head-to-head first? if thorzain loses 0-2 vs stephano, he has 3-4, nightend has 4-5 3/7 > 4/9: thorzain would still have better winratio however nightend won the head-to-head game who would advance? Yup, he'll be #2 if he loses this game though
Only if he loses 2-0 is it not ?
|
On January 15 2012 01:30 Choboo wrote:
3-4 is always better than 4-5 since 2-0 + 1-2 is better than 1-2 and 2-1. Thorzain should advance even with 2-0 loss next game
in 4-5 there is less difference between the won and lost matches than in 3-4, so 4-5 is better
|
On January 15 2012 01:25 Sea_Food wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:20 Champloo wrote:
Why did he get 700 $ when he went 1-2? Can someone explain? Yeah, people who tip players who do not deserve them are killing eSports!
Where did I say he didn't deserve them? I just tuned in and was curios why Darkforce would be getting 700 $. Thought it had something to do with the tournament system. I'm still curios as to how you guys know he got tipped that amount?
|
On January 15 2012 01:31 Champloo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:25 Sea_Food wrote:On January 15 2012 01:20 Champloo wrote:
Why did he get 700 $ when he went 1-2? Can someone explain? Yeah, people who tip players who do not deserve them are killing eSports! Where did I say he didn't deserve them? I just tuned in and was curios why Darkforce would be getting 700 $. Thought it had something to do with the tournament system. I'm still curios as to how you guys know he got tipped that amount?
Because he played two really epic games.One against tzain and one against NightEnd,apparently people liked his play and decided to tip him.
|
On January 15 2012 01:29 HaXXspetten wrote:okay, so does anyone know if they're counting winratio or head-to-head first? if thorzain loses 0-2 vs stephano, he has 3-4, nightend has 4-5 3/7 > 4/9: thorzain would still have better winratio however nightend won the head-to-head game who would advance? Yup, he'll be #2 if he loses this game though
lol no 3/7 is not > 4/9, its less. use a calculator maybe if you have troubles...
|
On January 15 2012 01:28 AsnSensation wrote:
wow did anything special happaned to darkforce or why have people already tiped him 7xx$
Well he neural parasited Nightend's Mothership and used its vortex to come back from a seemingly hopeless position.
|
On January 15 2012 01:31 Champloo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:25 Sea_Food wrote:On January 15 2012 01:20 Champloo wrote:
Why did he get 700 $ when he went 1-2? Can someone explain? Yeah, people who tip players who do not deserve them are killing eSports! Where did I say he didn't deserve them? I just tuned in and was curios why Darkforce would be getting 700 $. Thought it had something to do with the tournament system. I'm still curios as to how you guys know he got tipped that amount?
http://www.shoutcraft.com/
|
hehe perfect description of Kas
|
On January 15 2012 01:31 Champloo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:25 Sea_Food wrote:On January 15 2012 01:20 Champloo wrote:
Why did he get 700 $ when he went 1-2? Can someone explain? Yeah, people who tip players who do not deserve them are killing eSports! Where did I say he didn't deserve them? I just tuned in and was curios why Darkforce would be getting 700 $. Thought it had something to do with the tournament system. I'm still curios as to how you guys know he got tipped that amount?
Just watch the third game of his vs Nightend and you will understand
He really deserves this extra money and noone should care about the amount... Just be happy perhaps? They are not coming out of your pockets anyway
|
wtf a terran shouldn't be 25 supply ahead at this time
|
Wow, Steph plays really greedy in this game. This could cost him the map really quickly.
|
omg more than 50 supply ahead without a fight...
|
ok stephano doesn't need to play retardedly... this game was stupid
|
|
|
ok.. Tzain totally ROLLED steph.. so outclassed..
|
Stephano and Thorzain are good friends, I think he wanted him to qualify. gz to Thorzain
|
On January 15 2012 01:47 Meiffeltower wrote:
ok.. Tzain totally ROLLED steph.. so outclassed..
No, not really. This was just a extreme greedy Zerg being punished hard. Really weird game by Stephano.
|
I really can't understand why Stephano doesn't make an early roach warren and push out with 5 roaches to take the 3rd there, its not a lot of investment and having no third for so long pretty much lost him that game. If Thorzain had sat around for another 5 mins then maybe, but Stephano didn't have the gas for all that tech at all. Weird game.
|
On January 15 2012 01:32 KinQuh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:31 Champloo wrote:On January 15 2012 01:25 Sea_Food wrote:On January 15 2012 01:20 Champloo wrote:
Why did he get 700 $ when he went 1-2? Can someone explain? Yeah, people who tip players who do not deserve them are killing eSports! Where did I say he didn't deserve them? I just tuned in and was curios why Darkforce would be getting 700 $. Thought it had something to do with the tournament system. I'm still curios as to how you guys know he got tipped that amount? Because he played two really epic games.One against tzain and one against NightEnd,apparently people liked his play and decided to tip him.
the thorzain game wasn't epic, he was slaughtered slowly and painfully
|
If Tzain wins 2-1 Tzain is #1 right?
|
On January 15 2012 01:47 msjakofsky wrote:
ok stephano doesn't need to play retardedly... this game was stupid
He did not want to Drone rush Thorzain like Naniwa did when the game did not matter for him. Probably a game to entertain the audience? Dunno.
|
On January 15 2012 01:49 Sphaero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:47 Meiffeltower wrote:
ok.. Tzain totally ROLLED steph.. so outclassed.. No, not really. This was just a extreme greedy Zerg being punished hard. Really weird game by Stephano.
He was 50 supply ahead withouth a fight lol... outclassed
|
"eckluuf" lol wtf
EKLÖF god dammit, not even close
|
On January 15 2012 01:51 Meiffeltower wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:49 Sphaero wrote:On January 15 2012 01:47 Meiffeltower wrote:
ok.. Tzain totally ROLLED steph.. so outclassed.. No, not really. This was just a extreme greedy Zerg being punished hard. Really weird game by Stephano. He was 50 supply ahead withouth a fight lol... outclassed
No. Stephano went for a 13 minute hive with 5 infestors and no lings? And yet you say outclassed? My friend there is a lot more happening behind those supply counts.
|
On January 15 2012 01:51 Meiffeltower wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:49 Sphaero wrote:On January 15 2012 01:47 Meiffeltower wrote:
ok.. Tzain totally ROLLED steph.. so outclassed.. No, not really. This was just a extreme greedy Zerg being punished hard. Really weird game by Stephano. He was 50 supply ahead withouth a fight lol... outclassed
If you were actually watching the game you would notice that Stephano played really, really bad, like, terribly bad.
I'm not saying he threw the game, but it was definitely not his best play, so don't make assumptions based on that one.
|
On January 15 2012 01:51 Meiffeltower wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:49 Sphaero wrote:On January 15 2012 01:47 Meiffeltower wrote:
ok.. Tzain totally ROLLED steph.. so outclassed.. No, not really. This was just a extreme greedy Zerg being punished hard. Really weird game by Stephano. He was 50 supply ahead withouth a fight lol... outclassed
That happens, if you rush extremely fast to Hive-tech and don´t build any units.
|
On January 15 2012 01:50 Ludwigvan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:47 msjakofsky wrote:
ok stephano doesn't need to play retardedly... this game was stupid He did not want to Drone rush Thorzain like Naniwa did when the game did not matter for him. Probably a game to entertain the audience? Dunno.
he played weirdly but thorzain has a winning record over him and even though they say his tvz is weaker i remember he gave DRG a good run for his money. i think maybe he just knows stephano too well
|
Stephano beat Thorzain 3-1 in MSI cup finals maybe 2 months ago, those results are not in TLPD.
|
Wow. DRG-ish fast muta from Stephano.
|
On January 15 2012 01:54 hrvoje07 wrote:
Stephano beat Thorzain 3-1 in MSI cup finals maybe 2 months ago, those results are not in TLPD.
i kinda remember in some interview or something that Stephano loses a lot to Tzain in practice
|
On January 15 2012 01:56 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:54 hrvoje07 wrote:
Stephano beat Thorzain 3-1 in MSI cup finals maybe 2 months ago, those results are not in TLPD. i kinda remember in some interview or something that Stephano loses a lot to Tzain in practice
Yesterday Steph beated Tzain in ladder, while both were streaming.
|
On January 15 2012 01:53 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:50 Ludwigvan wrote:On January 15 2012 01:47 msjakofsky wrote:
ok stephano doesn't need to play retardedly... this game was stupid He did not want to Drone rush Thorzain like Naniwa did when the game did not matter for him. Probably a game to entertain the audience? Dunno. he played weirdly but thorzain has a winning record over him and even though they say his tvz is weaker i remember he gave DRG a good run for his money. i think maybe he just knows stephano too well
I remember Mana saying on he stream that Steph was giving him a game because he is a nice person. I don't remember which series it was, but Stephano was dominating and one game on Tal Darim he threw his roaches away and lost this game and won the series 3-1 or 4-1 in dominating fashion. Mana was even writing in chat before the win about that he wanted to win one map.
|
On January 15 2012 01:58 Ludwigvan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:53 msjakofsky wrote:On January 15 2012 01:50 Ludwigvan wrote:On January 15 2012 01:47 msjakofsky wrote:
ok stephano doesn't need to play retardedly... this game was stupid He did not want to Drone rush Thorzain like Naniwa did when the game did not matter for him. Probably a game to entertain the audience? Dunno. he played weirdly but thorzain has a winning record over him and even though they say his tvz is weaker i remember he gave DRG a good run for his money. i think maybe he just knows stephano too well I remember Mana saying on he stream that Steph was giving him a game because he is a nice person. I don't remember which series it was, but Stephano was dominating and one game on Tal Darim he threw his roaches away and lost this game and won the series 3-1 or 4-1 in dominating fashion. Mana was even writing in chat before the win about that he wanted to win one map.
he said it jokingly, Stephano didn't admit that he gave the game to mana
also, he loses a lot to mana in practice too
|
It's nice to have the middle, so much more herass posibility's and he sees everything coming.
|
One unit to counter all the tier 3 units, must be nice...
|
game over, holy shit what an army from stephano :o
|
I just realised, we are 3 hours behind schedule :p
|
On January 15 2012 01:52 leo23 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:51 Meiffeltower wrote:On January 15 2012 01:49 Sphaero wrote:On January 15 2012 01:47 Meiffeltower wrote:
ok.. Tzain totally ROLLED steph.. so outclassed.. No, not really. This was just a extreme greedy Zerg being punished hard. Really weird game by Stephano. He was 50 supply ahead withouth a fight lol... outclassed No. Stephano went for a 13 minute hive with 5 infestors and no lings? And yet you say outclassed? My friend there is a lot more happening behind those supply counts.
Well, that was just stephano playing pretty bad, thus outclassed.
|
No1 likes Stephano? 0$ donated for him o.o!
|
Stephano's tip counter is currently bugged! He has had donations ^.^
|
On January 15 2012 02:13 TaKemE wrote:
No1 likes Stephano? 0$ donated for him o.o!
I think its just a glitch. It happened to someone in the last SCi aswell.
So he has got tips but they just dont show for some reason.
|
On January 15 2012 02:10 hagga wrote:
One unit to counter all the tier 3 units, must be nice...
Tier 3 units that are actually viable must be even nicer.
|
God, the term outclassed seems to be catchy l8tly to surden clueless TL posters.
|
On January 15 2012 02:13 TaKemE wrote:
No1 likes Stephano? 0$ donated for him o.o!
Happends every tournament last time it was white-ra and he got so much money hehe. I personaly donated to all the players so its defiantly bugged
|
On January 15 2012 02:16 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 02:13 TaKemE wrote:
No1 likes Stephano? 0$ donated for him o.o! Happends every tournament last time it was white-ra and he got so much money hehe. I personaly donated to all the players so its defiantly bugged
yup donated to 3 players including stephano it's definitely bugged
|
On January 15 2012 02:01 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 01:58 Ludwigvan wrote:On January 15 2012 01:53 msjakofsky wrote:On January 15 2012 01:50 Ludwigvan wrote:On January 15 2012 01:47 msjakofsky wrote:
ok stephano doesn't need to play retardedly... this game was stupid He did not want to Drone rush Thorzain like Naniwa did when the game did not matter for him. Probably a game to entertain the audience? Dunno. he played weirdly but thorzain has a winning record over him and even though they say his tvz is weaker i remember he gave DRG a good run for his money. i think maybe he just knows stephano too well I remember Mana saying on he stream that Steph was giving him a game because he is a nice person. I don't remember which series it was, but Stephano was dominating and one game on Tal Darim he threw his roaches away and lost this game and won the series 3-1 or 4-1 in dominating fashion. Mana was even writing in chat before the win about that he wanted to win one map. he said it jokingly, Stephano didn't admit that he gave the game to mana also, he loses a lot to mana in practice too
Possible, that he was joking. Maybe I should stop accusing players here.
|
|
|
where can i see the given tips ?
|
|
|
What is this game?! xD
That Proxy rax ended up paying for itself with all the mining time, but why on earth did he let the lings in =/
|
Stupid game xD
Oh double post sry =/
|
|
|
bg!
Thorzain so bm!
epic troll this game
|
haha that was the funniest gave ive ever seen from literally the 2 best foreigners -_-;;
|
|
|
On January 15 2012 02:25 Zorgaz wrote:
What is this game?! xD
That Proxy rax ended up paying for itself with all the mining time, but why on earth did he let the lings in =/
I think they were both gonna pass the group stage no matter who won? So i bet they did not take that game all too seriously.
|
oh wow, the second group is going to be played today. Had no idea.
|
liqupedia says stephano won last game 2-0 btw if someone feel like fixing that
|
judging from how the tournament progressed so far, I guess it's not going to be 12 hours but rather 14-15?
|
On January 15 2012 02:37 AsnSensation wrote:judging from how the tournament progressed so far, I guess it's not going to be 12 hours but rather 14-15?
There is a PVP in the next group, so maybe it gets them back into the schedule ;D
|
On January 15 2012 02:35 HaXXspetten wrote:
liqupedia says stephano won last game 2-0 btw if someone feel like fixing that
Done, thanks for pointing out
|
On January 15 2012 02:32 Rabbitmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 02:25 Zorgaz wrote:
What is this game?! xD
That Proxy rax ended up paying for itself with all the mining time, but why on earth did he let the lings in =/ I think they were both gonna pass the group stage no matter who won? So i bet they did not take that game all too seriously.
Not only that. It was a completely pointless game because Stephano was already first in the group even if he had lost the third...
|
On January 15 2012 02:53 _Galad_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 02:32 Rabbitmaster wrote:On January 15 2012 02:25 Zorgaz wrote:
What is this game?! xD
That Proxy rax ended up paying for itself with all the mining time, but why on earth did he let the lings in =/ I think they were both gonna pass the group stage no matter who won? So i bet they did not take that game all too seriously. Not only that. It was a completely pointless game because Stephano was already first in the group even if he had lost the third...
if thorzain had won the last game he would have been 5-3 instead of 4-4 and stephano would have been 5-4 instead of 6-3, so no, thorzain would have won the group
|
Can someone tell me what the pause music is? I recognize it so badly but can't place it.
|
I think it was from Warcraft 2 or Starcraft.
|
30k viewers hit (+ probably subscibers)
♥
|
its cute how apollo licks grubbys ass xd
(for me it was a clear 2-0 for socke)
User was warned for this post
|
I don't see why twilight council -> robo against Stargate is a BO win and robo -> twilight cauncil is a BO loss
There is almost no difference if you don't go for a one-base push ... Apollo completely misreading PvP
Edit: Both is a BO advantage.
|
Did feast join ? i thought it was only for there 2v2 team they teamed up, and Feast still was in Mill.
|
On January 15 2012 03:02 Seronei wrote:
Can someone tell me what the pause music is? I recognize it so badly but can't place it.
The music is from Starcraft
EDIT: I don't recognize the second song.
|
Did group 2 just start? I can't find results on liquidipedia or in the OP. Is this the first set of the series?
|
Yes, just startet. First match, third set Socke-Grubby 1-1
|
On January 15 2012 03:19 Nick.TNA wrote:
Did group 2 just start? I can't find results on liquidipedia or in the OP. Is this the first set of the series?
Yeah, its first series right now.
|
On January 15 2012 03:20 Arc1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 03:19 Nick.TNA wrote:
Did group 2 just start? I can't find results on liquidipedia or in the OP. Is this the first set of the series? Yeah, its first series right now.
Sweet! Grubby is one of my many protoss mancrushes, i would kill to see him win this! Especially after watching him stream for like 12 straight hours yesterday! XD
|
Anyone getting random lag and/or video freeze?
|
On January 15 2012 03:25 garbanzo wrote:
Anyone getting random lag and/or video freeze?
I think, they said earlier that they have bnet issues.
|
Well socke, is getting destroyed atm.
|
Yeah, that was quite a one-sided engagement in Grubby's base.
|
Extremely well-played by Grubby! Great comeback from the loss in the first game.
|
GG!
Go Grubby!
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DhtYl.gif)
|
Grubby's earlygame is so solid. Dat unit control.
|
damn Grubby is good, I really enjoyed that PvP
|
Those forcefields by Grub trapping the immortal was huge.
|
omfg that was just amazing by cloud.
|
|
|
Socke's counter did so much better than I expected. Thought it was gg. Great game so far.
|
|
|
Gah -.- don't know who to root for in this group I love all of them :-/
|
That was pretty hilarious, gotta say. Socke sure likes his warp prisms :p
|
This tournament has produced really awesome games. I think the tipping contributes alot of the players putting up a show even when they have little to no chance advancing or are so far ahead they just toy with their opponents. I like it.
|
Socke wants to tilt Cloud with everything he does. Be annoying as hell. ^^
|
It either delays mining or delays the orbital... It also lets you know if he is actually expanding. Something you don't always get to see with your probe if it gets shooed out. 25minerals is a small price to pay for that.
|
|
|
lol da fuck was this match
|
Team mates ... always weird sh!t going on then.
|
I usually enjoy TBs casting but in these two games I found his commentating a bit irritating, because of how much hes overstating the silliness of the games. Still, <3 TB and loving this SCI :3
|
On January 15 2012 04:14 TheAntZ wrote:
I usually enjoy TBs casting but in these two games I found his commentating a bit irritating, because of how much hes overstating the silliness of the games. Still, <3 TB and loving this SCI :3
To be fair, the games are super silly and he probably doesn't believe what the fuck is going on in these games
|
On January 15 2012 04:01 Seiniyta wrote:
This tournament has produced really awesome games. I think the tipping contributes alot of the players putting up a show even when they have little to no chance advancing or are so far ahead they just toy with their opponents. I like it.
Yeah agreed, i really like the system.
|
|
|
Jesus, queens nose. That show is so old.
|
United Kingdom620 Posts
Don't you open that trap doooooooor!
Because there's something down there...
Man, that show was incredible.
|
Disappointed they didn't mention Bernard's Watch. :p
|
On January 15 2012 04:30 HaXXspetten wrote:
this commentary >.<
What about it?
|
|
|
Just tuned in. Darkforce with almost $800 raised? I didn't realize he was so popular.
|
Katowice25012 Posts
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
