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On January 11 2012 16:42 Air4013 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 16:34 fuzzy_panda wrote:On January 11 2012 16:25 Air4013 wrote:On January 11 2012 16:12 HULKAMANIA wrote:On January 11 2012 16:02 Air4013 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:46 HULKAMANIA wrote:On January 11 2012 15:33 Air4013 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:25 HULKAMANIA wrote:On January 11 2012 15:19 Air4013 wrote:On January 11 2012 14:40 HULKAMANIA wrote:Wow. Who knew? I've spent eight or so years on this site, and I've never, ever been so disgusted by a thread as I am by this one. I just have no words... I mean even granting that this Florida judge was right (which TL in any other case would definitely not grant to a Jeb Bush appointee who made a courtroom decision based on a vague-as-hell law lobbied through a red-state congress by the NRA [1])... but whatever... even granting that Jorge Saavedra acted purely out of visceral fear for his own life, I just can't stomach that there are posters in this thread fucking relishing in the fact that he stabbed another teen to death at a bus-stop. I can't fucking stand it. If you feel joy or satisfaction or even vindication when you hear about a minor being brutally killed by another minor for whatever god-damned reason at all, you are a sick person. Period. Lol here we have someone who has never experienced physical and mental torture for no other reason then the torturers jollies, what a disguising view of things. I can't stomach someone so ignorant to believe that someone tormenting another person to the point of fearing for their life should go unpunished. "I can't fucking stand it." You are assuming that I was never bullied when it was an almost daily reality for me in middle and high school. Does it disturb you that your rejection of my post hinges on a fictional account of my life that you have created to protect your worldview? Probably not. I find that pretty hard to believe, or the 'abuse' you experienced was nowhere near the level in this case, there's a huge difference in being pushed into a locker and being circled by 8 teens who want nothing more then to beat living the shit out of you. Of course you find that hard to believe—because in your head the only possible way that I can disagree with you on this point is by being "so ignorant" and believing a bully should go "unpunished." You find it hard to believe because your insight into this case is pristine and disinterested and mine is misguided and deluded. As a child, I was bullied. I was stolen from and intimidated and humiliated in front of my peers and even beaten up on different occasions. What does my testimony matter, though? Your mind is already made up. Your conclusions concluded, and my protests are invalid because you know—without ever having met me, without the ability to even pick me out in a crowd—that my personal history invalidates my opinion on this subject. Well if true you have my honest and sincere sympathy over what happened to you as a child, as you can tell from my comments I feel like nobody should have to endure the kind of abuse that you, myself, and the child from this case endured. What I find so ridiculous is your view on the subject at hand which you seem to have gone unbelievably off-topic from, a child was beaten, tortured, and scared to the point he feared for his life he brought the knife because he feared these people where going to beat him so badly he could die and you feel the aggressor is the victim in this situation? Get real man, he tormented this kid for over a year for no reason man and the victim finally retaliated after all the abuse he's suffered and he's the bad guy? Totally delusional. Listen to me and actually hear what I am saying rather than what you think I am saying: I am not against Jorge Saavedra. You will never find me calling him "the bad guy," and you certainly did not in the post that you originally attacked me for. All of that occurred in your head. What I am against is the widespread celebration of a sixteen-year-old being stabbed to death for any reason whatsoever. I am against the downright ghastly joy that some posters are taking in what is a truly fucking horrific and tragic series of events all the way around. Believe it or not, and this may surprise you, it is possible to feel empathy for both the young men in this situation. It's not very vogue to feel for Nuno, of course, because he is a "bully" and deserves violent death before he reaches legal adulthood. But you still can feel it if you try. Hmm, interesting post for sure. I don't disagree with everything your saying, I think some of what your saying is right and even intelligent. What I definitely disagree with is you saying, "being stabbed to death for any reason whatsoever." Nuno wasn't stabbed for no reason at all, he was stabbed because he harassed, attacked, and tormented another child for over a YEAR. He did this for no reason, he knew he was making this kid miserable he knew what he was doing and he paid for it. I would never celebrate the death of a child and I feel terrible for Nuno's family, but if Nuno is going to torment and potentially scar another kid for life for nothing but kicks I cannot bring myself to feel any sympathy at all for his death, as cold as that may make me to you. now im just making wild conjecture here, but could it be possible that the bully himself was experiencing issues? of course that doesn't excuse him taking it out on this poor kid, but it certainly gives reason to what he is doing. a lot of bullies do what they do because of trouble at home. this happens so often that its pretty much the cliche backstory to any bully. either that or the bully is mentally disturbed sociopath. still either way I do feel sympathy for him and wonder what his backstory is. Your completely right, he most certainly could have been experiencing these issues himself. What I don't agree with is this giving him reason to torture of his peers. Really that's a tough slope your talking it, he could have been physically abused by his dad or uncle or relative and doesn't know any better then take his aggression out this way. That's actually really hard for me, what if he's faced this abuse his whole life and doesn't know better? I don't have a good answer honestly.
If he doesn't know better [than to physically assault people], then he should be protectively hospitalized and or imprisoned for the safety of the general population. Either people are responsible for their actions and their reasons are not important, or people are not responsible for their actions and thus can't be allowed to interact in the general population. You can't have someone who is both not responsible for his actions and allowed to hurt someone.
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On January 11 2012 16:38 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 16:37 HULKAMANIA wrote:On January 11 2012 16:33 cz wrote:On January 11 2012 16:32 HULKAMANIA wrote:On January 11 2012 16:15 cz wrote:On January 11 2012 16:12 HULKAMANIA wrote:On January 11 2012 16:02 Air4013 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:46 HULKAMANIA wrote:On January 11 2012 15:33 Air4013 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:25 HULKAMANIA wrote:
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You are assuming that I was never bullied when it was an almost daily reality for me in middle and high school. Does it disturb you that your rejection of my post hinges on a fictional account of my life that you have created to protect your worldview? Probably not. I find that pretty hard to believe, or the 'abuse' you experienced was nowhere near the level in this case, there's a huge difference in being pushed into a locker and being circled by 8 teens who want nothing more then to beat living the shit out of you. Of course you find that hard to believe—because in your head the only possible way that I can disagree with you on this point is by being "so ignorant" and believing a bully should go "unpunished." You find it hard to believe because your insight into this case is pristine and disinterested and mine is misguided and deluded. As a child, I was bullied. I was stolen from and intimidated and humiliated in front of my peers and even beaten up on different occasions. What does my testimony matter, though? Your mind is already made up. Your conclusions concluded, and my protests are invalid because you know—without ever having met me, without the ability to even pick me out in a crowd—that my personal history invalidates my opinion on this subject. Well if true you have my honest and sincere sympathy over what happened to you as a child, as you can tell from my comments I feel like nobody should have to endure the kind of abuse that you, myself, and the child from this case endured. What I find so ridiculous is your view on the subject at hand which you seem to have gone unbelievably off-topic from, a child was beaten, tortured, and scared to the point he feared for his life he brought the knife because he feared these people where going to beat him so badly he could die and you feel the aggressor is the victim in this situation? Get real man, he tormented this kid for over a year for no reason man and the victim finally retaliated after all the abuse he's suffered and he's the bad guy? Totally delusional. Listen to me and actually hear what I am saying rather than what you think I am saying: I am not against Jorge Saavedra. You will never find me calling him "the bad guy," and you certainly did not in the post that you originally attacked me for. All of that occurred in your head. What I am against is the widespread celebration of a sixteen-year-old being stabbed to death for any reason whatsoever. I am against the downright ghastly joy that some posters are taking in what is a truly fucking horrific and tragic series of events all the way around. Believe it or not, and this may surprise you, it is possible to feel empathy for both the young men in this situation. It's not very vogue to feel for Nuno, of course, because he is a "bully" and deserves violent death before he reaches legal adulthood. But you still can feel it if you try. Do you break down and cry everytime a rapist is sent to prison to, because it will make his life less fun? Thank god people like you are not in charge of our criminal justice system: we'd be too soft-hearted to punish anyone, because boo-hoo it's so sad and we gotta empathize with how it makes them feel. Of course I break down and cry every time a rapist goes to prison. It's so analogous to this situation, why wouldn't I? It is. Bad thing happens to bad person as a result of a bad act. Crime and punishment. Apparently too sad an idea for you to deal with. What can I say? Your logic is impeccable. I have nothing to add as I am too busy being sad at the moment. Good. Don't forget to keep up your write-in campaign to have a September 11 moment-of-silence to remember the lives of the hijackers, because we should feel sad that they are dead too.
Hmmm... I think I see your point: bullying a kid at your high school and executing, as an adult, a terrorist attack that murdered thousands of unsuspecting men, women, and children are certainly comparable.
I also think that I'm finished with our little exchange at this point, as it's reached a certain level of absurdity that I'm unwilling to participate in.
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I would think pulling the knife out at and threatening the bully with it would be enough to make him back down... I wonder if it was really necessary to actually stab him multiple times to the point of death? I guess we can say he wasn't thinking clearly but that excuse is better used in the heat of the moment. The kid knew it was coming, he had days to think about it. I' thinking the kid already had it figured out he was going to kill the bully.
I feel bad for both sides there are better ways to handle these situations and kids need to be aware of that.
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On January 11 2012 16:46 HULKAMANIA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 16:38 cz wrote:On January 11 2012 16:37 HULKAMANIA wrote:On January 11 2012 16:33 cz wrote:On January 11 2012 16:32 HULKAMANIA wrote:On January 11 2012 16:15 cz wrote:On January 11 2012 16:12 HULKAMANIA wrote:On January 11 2012 16:02 Air4013 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:46 HULKAMANIA wrote:On January 11 2012 15:33 Air4013 wrote:
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I find that pretty hard to believe, or the 'abuse' you experienced was nowhere near the level in this case, there's a huge difference in being pushed into a locker and being circled by 8 teens who want nothing more then to beat living the shit out of you. Of course you find that hard to believe—because in your head the only possible way that I can disagree with you on this point is by being "so ignorant" and believing a bully should go "unpunished." You find it hard to believe because your insight into this case is pristine and disinterested and mine is misguided and deluded. As a child, I was bullied. I was stolen from and intimidated and humiliated in front of my peers and even beaten up on different occasions. What does my testimony matter, though? Your mind is already made up. Your conclusions concluded, and my protests are invalid because you know—without ever having met me, without the ability to even pick me out in a crowd—that my personal history invalidates my opinion on this subject. Well if true you have my honest and sincere sympathy over what happened to you as a child, as you can tell from my comments I feel like nobody should have to endure the kind of abuse that you, myself, and the child from this case endured. What I find so ridiculous is your view on the subject at hand which you seem to have gone unbelievably off-topic from, a child was beaten, tortured, and scared to the point he feared for his life he brought the knife because he feared these people where going to beat him so badly he could die and you feel the aggressor is the victim in this situation? Get real man, he tormented this kid for over a year for no reason man and the victim finally retaliated after all the abuse he's suffered and he's the bad guy? Totally delusional. Listen to me and actually hear what I am saying rather than what you think I am saying: I am not against Jorge Saavedra. You will never find me calling him "the bad guy," and you certainly did not in the post that you originally attacked me for. All of that occurred in your head. What I am against is the widespread celebration of a sixteen-year-old being stabbed to death for any reason whatsoever. I am against the downright ghastly joy that some posters are taking in what is a truly fucking horrific and tragic series of events all the way around. Believe it or not, and this may surprise you, it is possible to feel empathy for both the young men in this situation. It's not very vogue to feel for Nuno, of course, because he is a "bully" and deserves violent death before he reaches legal adulthood. But you still can feel it if you try. Do you break down and cry everytime a rapist is sent to prison to, because it will make his life less fun? Thank god people like you are not in charge of our criminal justice system: we'd be too soft-hearted to punish anyone, because boo-hoo it's so sad and we gotta empathize with how it makes them feel. Of course I break down and cry every time a rapist goes to prison. It's so analogous to this situation, why wouldn't I? It is. Bad thing happens to bad person as a result of a bad act. Crime and punishment. Apparently too sad an idea for you to deal with. What can I say? Your logic is impeccable. I have nothing to add as I am too busy being sad at the moment. Good. Don't forget to keep up your write-in campaign to have a September 11 moment-of-silence to remember the lives of the hijackers, because we should feel sad that they are dead too. Hmmm... I think I see your point: bullying a kid at your high school and executing, as an adult, a terrorist attack that murdered thousands of unsuspecting men, women, and children are certainly comparable. I also think that I'm finished with our little exchange at this point, as it's reached a certain level of absurdity that I'm unwilling to participate in.
I'm mostly just pulling your leg because you are responding sarcastically. If the original analogy is invalid, show why, don't just get snippy.
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If the bully was carrying a knife or a registered handgun it would have been both legally and morally acceptable for him to kill the other kid when he presented the knife, correct?
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I am watching Death note right now so I didn't even realize the severity of it LOL
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On January 11 2012 16:46 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 16:42 Air4013 wrote:On January 11 2012 16:34 fuzzy_panda wrote:On January 11 2012 16:25 Air4013 wrote:On January 11 2012 16:12 HULKAMANIA wrote:On January 11 2012 16:02 Air4013 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:46 HULKAMANIA wrote:On January 11 2012 15:33 Air4013 wrote:On January 11 2012 15:25 HULKAMANIA wrote:On January 11 2012 15:19 Air4013 wrote:
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Lol here we have someone who has never experienced physical and mental torture for no other reason then the torturers jollies, what a disguising view of things. I can't stomach someone so ignorant to believe that someone tormenting another person to the point of fearing for their life should go unpunished. "I can't fucking stand it."
You are assuming that I was never bullied when it was an almost daily reality for me in middle and high school. Does it disturb you that your rejection of my post hinges on a fictional account of my life that you have created to protect your worldview? Probably not. I find that pretty hard to believe, or the 'abuse' you experienced was nowhere near the level in this case, there's a huge difference in being pushed into a locker and being circled by 8 teens who want nothing more then to beat living the shit out of you. Of course you find that hard to believe—because in your head the only possible way that I can disagree with you on this point is by being "so ignorant" and believing a bully should go "unpunished." You find it hard to believe because your insight into this case is pristine and disinterested and mine is misguided and deluded. As a child, I was bullied. I was stolen from and intimidated and humiliated in front of my peers and even beaten up on different occasions. What does my testimony matter, though? Your mind is already made up. Your conclusions concluded, and my protests are invalid because you know—without ever having met me, without the ability to even pick me out in a crowd—that my personal history invalidates my opinion on this subject. Well if true you have my honest and sincere sympathy over what happened to you as a child, as you can tell from my comments I feel like nobody should have to endure the kind of abuse that you, myself, and the child from this case endured. What I find so ridiculous is your view on the subject at hand which you seem to have gone unbelievably off-topic from, a child was beaten, tortured, and scared to the point he feared for his life he brought the knife because he feared these people where going to beat him so badly he could die and you feel the aggressor is the victim in this situation? Get real man, he tormented this kid for over a year for no reason man and the victim finally retaliated after all the abuse he's suffered and he's the bad guy? Totally delusional. Listen to me and actually hear what I am saying rather than what you think I am saying: I am not against Jorge Saavedra. You will never find me calling him "the bad guy," and you certainly did not in the post that you originally attacked me for. All of that occurred in your head. What I am against is the widespread celebration of a sixteen-year-old being stabbed to death for any reason whatsoever. I am against the downright ghastly joy that some posters are taking in what is a truly fucking horrific and tragic series of events all the way around. Believe it or not, and this may surprise you, it is possible to feel empathy for both the young men in this situation. It's not very vogue to feel for Nuno, of course, because he is a "bully" and deserves violent death before he reaches legal adulthood. But you still can feel it if you try. Hmm, interesting post for sure. I don't disagree with everything your saying, I think some of what your saying is right and even intelligent. What I definitely disagree with is you saying, "being stabbed to death for any reason whatsoever." Nuno wasn't stabbed for no reason at all, he was stabbed because he harassed, attacked, and tormented another child for over a YEAR. He did this for no reason, he knew he was making this kid miserable he knew what he was doing and he paid for it. I would never celebrate the death of a child and I feel terrible for Nuno's family, but if Nuno is going to torment and potentially scar another kid for life for nothing but kicks I cannot bring myself to feel any sympathy at all for his death, as cold as that may make me to you. now im just making wild conjecture here, but could it be possible that the bully himself was experiencing issues? of course that doesn't excuse him taking it out on this poor kid, but it certainly gives reason to what he is doing. a lot of bullies do what they do because of trouble at home. this happens so often that its pretty much the cliche backstory to any bully. either that or the bully is mentally disturbed sociopath. still either way I do feel sympathy for him and wonder what his backstory is. Your completely right, he most certainly could have been experiencing these issues himself. What I don't agree with is this giving him reason to torture of his peers. Really that's a tough slope your talking it, he could have been physically abused by his dad or uncle or relative and doesn't know any better then take his aggression out this way. That's actually really hard for me, what if he's faced this abuse his whole life and doesn't know better? I don't have a good answer honestly. If he doesn't know better [than to physically assault people], then he should be protectively hospitalized and or imprisoned for the safety of the general population. Either people are responsible for their actions and their reasons are not important, or people are not responsible for their actions and thus can't be allowed to interact in the general population. You can't have someone who is both not responsible for his actions and allowed to hurt someone.
and that is the reason there are separate laws for juniors and adults. also just to be clear I'm not trying to justify what this bully did. no matter the reason what he did was wrong. but it is possible to feel a little sympathy for him
On January 11 2012 16:35 FabledIntegral wrote:
A lot of people bully because they think it's funny. A majority of the people I've seen being dicks are dicks because they like the feeling of power, and from what I'm aware, no, they didn't seem to have any issues at home. This bully was super popular in school, and generally well liked, I don't see how you could use that as a potential argument. It's nothing really more than a "what if". Why make the extrapolations?
by issues at home, it doesn't even need to be physical/sexual abuse by the parents. for example, being spoiled and told you are the best and you can do what you want can also ruin the child's outlook on life. as i said, i don't believe anyone who has had a reasonable upbringing with good moral values can do something like this for over a year and not feel a little bit guilty or bad about what they are doing, unless they are a psychopath. the extrapolation i made was just to poster who said that he can feel no empathy for the bully. i was simply trying to demonstrate that maybe things aren't that simple. i'm aware that i can be completely wrong and he is a serial killer in the making.
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I still wonder how stabbing 12 times is still self defense. 12 times takes some serious rage, which the kid might rightfully had, but it also makes it "more" than self defense. Thats why i think he should get punished somehow.
Not with jail, for sure not an US jail which make matters only worse, but letting him go freely just feels wrong to me. Kid needs help, either way.
I don't have sympathies for the Bully... But that doesn't chaneg the bad feeling i get about "self defense by stabbing someone 12 times or whatever it was" ( among others to the heart... Which is the first spot you would aim for when "defending" yoruself right?)...
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Bullying is getting blown WAY out of proportion. It happens since the dawn of time and suddenly in the last few years it's one of THE big problems of our societies? LOL.. Grow up.
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On January 11 2012 17:04 Velr wrote:
I still wonder how stabbing 12 times is still self defense. 12 times takes some serious rage, which the kid might rightfully had, but it also makes it "more" than self defense. Thats why i think he should get punished somehow.
Not with jail, for sure not an US jail which make matters only worse, but letting him go freely just feels wrong to me. Kid needs help, either way.
I don't have sympathies for the Bully... But that doesn't chaneg the bad feeling i get about "self defense by stabbing someone 12 times or whatever it was" ( among others to the heart... Which is the first spot you would aim for when "defending" yoruself right?)...
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Bullying is getting blown WAY out of proportion. It happens since the dawn of time and suddenly in the last few years it's one of THE big problems of our societies? LOL.. Grow up.
ROFL it's always been a big problem in society not just the last few years LOL. God your delusional what world are you living in man?
Edit: Actually I take this back, having read your other posts in this thread I realized your just mentally retarded, my apologies.
User was temp banned for this post.
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As a bullying victim myself then i won't support saa's action, but not blaming him either.
Bullying scars people for life, and it can also in extreme cases leave the victim handicaped. It it straight on line with rape, since both victims get mentals scars and is in danger of death or serious injury.
Saa's life is prolly ruined for the next few decades, so is the bully's family's...
In my case, my only way to survive the bullying, was through the help of my friends, my parents and my brother.
It is sad, but sometimes, violence IS the only answar the victim have. think about next time you see someone getting bullied...
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I can't fathom why some people are willing to excuse the bully in one way or another and portait him as some kind of innocent. He physically attacked someone three years younger, someone who made severals attempts to avoid confrontation and clearly didn't want to fight, with no intention to stop. While the event is obviously still tragic and it shouldn't be celebrated, I don't see why the bullied has to be punished. If anyone is to blame it's the school and families for not solving these kinds of situations, not the desperate 14 year old acting in self defense.
On January 11 2012 16:47 Zerothegreat wrote:
I would think pulling the knife out at and threatening the bully with it would be enough to make him back down... I wonder if it was really necessary to actually stab him multiple times to the point of death? I guess we can say he wasn't thinking clearly but that excuse is better used in the heat of the moment. The kid knew it was coming, he had days to think about it. I' thinking the kid already had it figured out he was going to kill the bully.
I feel bad for both sides there are better ways to handle these situations and kids need to be aware of that.
If he just threatened him with it then what's not to say that the bully wouldn't just come back another time with his own knife?
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On January 11 2012 17:04 Velr wrote:
I still wonder how stabbing 12 times is still self defense. 12 times takes some serious rage, which the kid might rightfully had, but it also makes it "more" than self defense. Thats why i think he should get punished somehow.
Not with jail, for sure not an US jail which make matters only worse, but letting him go freely just feels wrong to me. Kid needs help, either way.
I don't have sympathies for the Bully... But that doesn't chaneg the bad feeling i get about "self defense by stabbing someone 12 times or whatever it was" ( among others to the heart... Which is the first spot you would aim for when "defending" yoruself right?)...
In general:
Bullying is getting blown WAY out of proportion. It happens since the dawn of time and suddenly in the last few years it's one of THE big problems of our societies? LOL.. Grow up.
you sir, are deillusional of the world you live in, or simply mentaly retarded
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On January 11 2012 17:04 Velr wrote:
I still wonder how stabbing 12 times is still self defense. 12 times takes some serious rage, which the kid might rightfully had, but it also makes it "more" than self defense. Thats why i think he should get punished somehow.
Not with jail, for sure not an US jail which make matters only worse, but letting him go freely just feels wrong to me. Kid needs help, either way.
I don't have sympathies for the Bully... But that doesn't chaneg the bad feeling i get about "self defense by stabbing someone 12 times or whatever it was" ( among others to the heart... Which is the first spot you would aim for when "defending" yoruself right?)...
In general:
Bullying is getting blown WAY out of proportion. It happens since the dawn of time and suddenly in the last few years it's one of THE big problems of our societies? LOL.. Grow up.
It was both but bully got him into that mental state,from article it said that he has been bullied for over a year.
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Yeah, go stab your bullies 12 times, they deserve it!
Grow up.
A kid died there because no one helped the bullying victim before it was too late...
I blame the state/the school and your whole society for this. BUT i also blame the "victim" for defending himself by stabbing the other guy 12 times.
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On January 11 2012 17:14 Velr wrote:
Yeah, go stab your bullies 12 times, they deserve it!
Grow up.
ITT, can't produce an argument just throws out random inflammatory comments lol...
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On January 11 2012 17:06 Air4013 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2012 17:04 Velr wrote:
I still wonder how stabbing 12 times is still self defense. 12 times takes some serious rage, which the kid might rightfully had, but it also makes it "more" than self defense. Thats why i think he should get punished somehow.
Not with jail, for sure not an US jail which make matters only worse, but letting him go freely just feels wrong to me. Kid needs help, either way.
I don't have sympathies for the Bully... But that doesn't chaneg the bad feeling i get about "self defense by stabbing someone 12 times or whatever it was" ( among others to the heart... Which is the first spot you would aim for when "defending" yoruself right?)...
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Bullying is getting blown WAY out of proportion. It happens since the dawn of time and suddenly in the last few years it's one of THE big problems of our societies? LOL.. Grow up. ROFL it's always been a big problem in society not just the last few years LOL. God your delusional what world are you living in man? Edit: Actually I take this back, having read your other posts in this thread I realized your just mentally retarded, my apologies.
yeah when i was in primary school when i was like 6 they talked about bullying a lot and how it was zero tolerance etc,
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I can't believe the number of Aussies here supporting this kid's actions to carry the knife and use it against his bully.
News flash: In Australia doing this will see you end up in gaol.
Anyway, terrible situation. I accept that he acted lawfully in that jurisdiction, but I don't personally agree with it.
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My god there is a lot of ignorant garbage in here. This isn't murder, and it isn't about "justice", or the bully deserving to die. Its self defense. He didn't plan on killing the kid, he was attacked and stabbed the guy.
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On January 11 2012 17:21 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
My god there is a lot of ignorant garbage in here. This isn't murder, and it isn't about "justice", or the bully deserving to die. Its self defense. He didn't plan on killing the kid, he was attacked and stabbed the guy.
Here we have the most intelligent post in this whole thread, thank you for being sensible.
Edit: Not sarcasm.
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