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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 19 2014 09:12 GMT
#2061
wow....
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
February 19 2014 09:31 GMT
#2062
On February 19 2014 18:09 bokchoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 17:44 Gahlo wrote:
I'm confused why they don't, if Zuna has to be on the team, just undo the swap and bring in Scuba Chris(their support sub) to play support instead of trying to fit a top laner into the jungle.


Scuba Chris is playing support now? but dem lee sin mechanics..

I derped super hard, thought I read sub/Supp earlier when I was on leaguepedia.

On February 19 2014 18:12 chalice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 17:44 Gahlo wrote:
I'm confused why they don't, if Zuna has to be on the team, just undo the swap and bring in Scuba Chris(their support sub) to play support instead of trying to fit a top laner into the jungle.

because that would be admitting that they made a mistake. coming to terms with the realization that all the time and hard work spent trying to make the role swap work was wasted is very tough to do psychologically. unfortunately they do not seem to be equipped to deal with harsh realities and will likely continue to throw good money after bad, so to speak.

This is XD.GG we're talking about. Forget harsh realities, they have trouble dealing with reality in general.
Enken
Profile Joined October 2013
France156 Posts
February 19 2014 09:37 GMT
#2063
On February 19 2014 17:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Here's where XDGG wins like one game against a team like EG with their new lineup and everyone starts saying WOW XDGG MANAGEMENT SO GUD DONT BENCH ZUNA and then proceed to go 1-9.

yup look at his irony tweet

i wonder what would be his statement at this moment :D
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
February 19 2014 10:17 GMT
#2064
I trust in 2/3s of the XDG managment to know what they are doing, the Ongamers article about the issue is afaik correct on the topic.
washed
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
February 19 2014 10:25 GMT
#2065
Based on BloodWater's recent tweet "Also, just to clarify - I'm NOT retiring from eSports right at this moment. I originally planned on retiring later this season and still am." It really does sound more like a benching then a retirement.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
February 19 2014 15:20 GMT
#2066
On February 19 2014 12:50 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 12:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 19 2014 12:16 Gahlo wrote:
On February 19 2014 12:05 NeoIllusions wrote:
I don't consider GGU => Coast transition that bad.
Obv not even remotely close to Vulcun => XDG.

Eh, you might be right. I was looking at the spring playoffs recently and was surprised that GGU picked up 2nd, but didn't check the split record to see them finishing 11-17. For some reason I thought they finished the split strong and did well in playoffs, only to falter since then.

l0l, GGU totally luckbox'd in the spring playoffs (one could argue GGU suddenly "turned it on when it counted" but I would totally disagree) and they were mediocrely in the middle of the pack during the regular season.

Zion was carrying hard during that period. His Jayce was terror.


To be honest, they played against Dignitas who just collapsed after Crumbzz's departure for a week and against Curse with Rhux, which was even worse than Dignitas.

But it was nice fairytale, coming back from 2-12 and finishing 2nd.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
February 19 2014 17:58 GMT
#2067
On February 19 2014 10:19 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
It's ridiculous to type but it's gg for XDG seems like.


It already was.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 21:37:28
February 20 2014 21:37 GMT
#2068
Bloodwater AMA, will start answering at 6PM EST
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ygzb1/xdgs_former_support_bloodwater_ama/
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
February 20 2014 22:07 GMT
#2069
On February 19 2014 19:25 bokchoi wrote:
Based on BloodWater's recent tweet "Also, just to clarify - I'm NOT retiring from eSports right at this moment. I originally planned on retiring later this season and still am." It really does sound more like a benching then a retirement.


According to a new Richard Lewis article XDG basically lied in their statement to Ongamers and Travis. Bloodwater wanted to remain on the team as a support for the rest of the split and management actually kicked him to put Zuna on support.

The AMA should help clear things up about this though.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
February 20 2014 23:25 GMT
#2070
i thought the travis article came off as xdg saying "we didn't bench bloodwater, but if we did, it was because his personal life was taking up too much time and he wasn't dedicated enough to the team."

like they weren't sure if they should deny it or explain/rationalize their decision so they made sure they had all their bases covered and hoped something would stick.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 20 2014 23:27 GMT
#2071
On February 21 2014 08:25 chalice wrote:
i thought the travis article came off as xdg saying "we didn't bench bloodwater, but if we did, it was because his personal life was taking up too much time and he wasn't dedicated enough to the team."

like they weren't sure if they should deny it or explain/rationalize their decision so they made sure they had all their bases covered and hoped something would stick.

Richard Lewis wrote an article about how XDG management basically lied to onGamers so save face.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 23:35:00
February 20 2014 23:32 GMT
#2072
On February 21 2014 08:27 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 08:25 chalice wrote:
i thought the travis article came off as xdg saying "we didn't bench bloodwater, but if we did, it was because his personal life was taking up too much time and he wasn't dedicated enough to the team."

like they weren't sure if they should deny it or explain/rationalize their decision so they made sure they had all their bases covered and hoped something would stick.

Richard Lewis wrote an article about how XDG management basically lied to onGamers so save face.

yeah i was replying in context of the second lewis article confirming my impression of the ongamers one.

from the ama:

Q: Were you happy when Zuna swapped with Xmithie?

Bloodwater: I was not happy at all. Everything that Xmithie worked for in the jungle and everything that Zuna worked for as AD basically was rendered obsolete.

Bloodwater: I believe it was Kenma (the coach's) decision to swap them. I was not pleased with the decision.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-21 00:25:47
February 21 2014 00:24 GMT
#2073
On February 21 2014 08:32 chalice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 08:27 onlywonderboy wrote:
On February 21 2014 08:25 chalice wrote:
i thought the travis article came off as xdg saying "we didn't bench bloodwater, but if we did, it was because his personal life was taking up too much time and he wasn't dedicated enough to the team."

like they weren't sure if they should deny it or explain/rationalize their decision so they made sure they had all their bases covered and hoped something would stick.

Richard Lewis wrote an article about how XDG management basically lied to onGamers so save face.

yeah i was replying in context of the second lewis article confirming my impression of the ongamers one.

from the ama:

Q: Were you happy when Zuna swapped with Xmithie?

Bloodwater: I was not happy at all. Everything that Xmithie worked for in the jungle and everything that Zuna worked for as AD basically was rendered obsolete.

Bloodwater: I believe it was Kenma (the coach's) decision to swap them. I was not pleased with the decision.


This is from a post from Reddit by one of XDG's managers (Gnomesayin) after the Xmithie/Zuna swap: "Actually with new management of XDG, our coach Ken is not the person in charge of roster changes. He gives input, yes, but the person in charge is actually our owner Marshall- If team members underperform, we'll talk about it and make changes that need to be made, this is 100% true."

Apparently this was also a lie.

EDIT: Hilariously that response was directed at someone saying "Because Zuna's brother is team coach and they won't ever bench him."
Deftscythe
Profile Joined February 2011
United States228 Posts
February 21 2014 00:56 GMT
#2074
Xmithie was underperforming in the jungle? Wut?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 21 2014 01:26 GMT
#2075
#freexmithie
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 21 2014 01:39 GMT
#2076
This who ordeal is just one giant mess of bad PR. Everyone's story is changing and multiple people are lying. Shit's getting out of hand.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
meowmasta85
Profile Joined January 2013
721 Posts
February 21 2014 01:47 GMT
#2077
it sounds like teams nowadays would rather look good in PR department than tell the truth. why do they think the truth is going to hurt them or the scene ? just don't get it.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 21 2014 01:49 GMT
#2078
Sure, if you can hide the mistakes with good PR, but with Bloodwater undermining what they have been saying that looks even worse.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
February 21 2014 01:51 GMT
#2079
On February 21 2014 10:47 meowmasta85 wrote:
it sounds like teams nowadays would rather look good in PR department than tell the truth. why do they think the truth is going to hurt them or the scene ? just don't get it.

Because the truth makes them look incompetent.
Deftscythe
Profile Joined February 2011
United States228 Posts
February 21 2014 02:06 GMT
#2080
*reveals that they are incompetent.
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