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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Weemoed
Netherlands741 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:41 bana wrote: Choya did it on LADDER Byung, CoCa in a ONLINE cup, which was for nothing, CoCa loses 1 game on purpose, but won the series anyway. No, CoCa didn't won the series... | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:41 GhostLink wrote: Guys, GOM PAYED Naniwa to play all of his games, no matter how meaningless they are. What he did was plain disrespect to GOM, viewers, and his opponent, who practiced hard for that match. It's not like he was banned from GSL, he can still go through Code A qualifiers, so it seems perfectly reasonable. I do think they should have fined him the prize money for not taking the games seriously. But the Code S seed was won a month ago at MLG, it's a completely different issue. It's not even really an invite, he qualified for Code S by one of the explicit means possible. | ||
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pms
Poland611 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:43 tetrismaan wrote: Boycut gom. | ||
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hXc Chris
United States25 Posts
GSL, MVP HAS OFFENDED ME BAN HIM! | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
Kick Nani.. right who can we invite now to keep the viewers or gain viewers that we lose by pissing of people about the Nani inicident oh wait lets pick IDRA instead wot a joke. | ||
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Lasbike
France2888 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:43 MrCon wrote: So Naniwa works his ass for months, moves in in Korea, and because he worker rush instead of proxy gating (for instance) he loses his seed ? Nice lobbying... Yep, he should have done any ridiculous opening, and i mean ridiculous, like 3 gate proxy or something, but not this. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:39 MrCash wrote: Setting high standards for professionalism so their league can survive many years and grow into a multi-million dollar organization? Those idiots. Nope, making a really bad decision out of something so small. Those idiots. BTW next time Naniwa is going to 4gate and a-move, and the shitstorm will be the same because it's him. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Wish the same thing would happen if a Terran 1-1-1. + Show Spoiler + Half joking, half serious. I don't see why Naniwa got revoked. According to TL that was the best match of the night. Why ban the guy that gave you the best match of the night? | ||
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o)_Saurus
Germany260 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:40 jalstar wrote: Do you even know when EPS and that IEM happened or are you pulling stuff randomly from Liquipedia? 1. im german and therefore followed the EPS thing as it evolved. 2. i'm not sure what the reason was for IEM but i remembered that it also had to do with too much penality or sth like that. 3. Does it matter if i figure things out of liquipedia or sum them up by my memory? After all these are the results of naniwa's behaviour, aren't they? | ||
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perestain
Germany308 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:29 Terranist wrote: i believe there is a reasonable explanation for naniwa's behavior. he had nestea tilted at MLG, which is a valuable psychological tool in a competitive environment. why play out a meaningless game and allow nestea any sort of redemption and lose the one edge he had over nestea? there was a definite potential that they could've clashed in code S. secondary to that, gom should give money incentives to compete till the end of the group instead of shitting on naniwa. Theres no need for a reasonable explantion, the behaviour itself was completely reasonable. Naniwa played to win the tournament, not to put on a fake show. No compromises. Whether this is entertaining to watch is up to the viewer, but if you want to see real competition, this is way more honest than playing a half hearted 4gate. I dont understand anyone preferring players to fake it when clearly there is no real competition going on anymore. And people should also stop with all that terrible honor bullcrap. Honor is a concept that was solely invented to make people be proud of a behaviour that is unfavorable for themselves so that others can directly profit from it. Its a means of oppression, nothing more. I want to watch a competition, not some shitty travesty. | ||
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Mackguy
France40 Posts
I would have preferred if it were coming from naniwa's employee : Quantic gaming, instead of GOM. They should have stepped in to protect their player from the banhammer, which was sure to come. Some salary cuts or communtiy services (like free coaching for me :p) I can understand that for people who never worked before, that it seems unrealistic. but when you call yourself a progamer, you need to show professionalism. it is amateurish behaviors like naniwa's or Major's that gives esport a bad reputation. How can anybody takes Esports seriously, when shown such matches ? if you were into analogy : it's not a B team sent on the pitch, it was a team not running at all, it's like a tennis player not returning the ball... its a sales guy, who go to customer's meeting, for a contract which has no hopes to be signed, and started insulting the customer. You can bet your ass, that he will be fired, but If you add all that to the korean perspective, yeah people talked about how pro they are, how respect is important. I think the most important respect you need to have is to your elderly, Nestea is 28, much older than Naniwa, you cannot treat him like that and not showing a good game. Also, having spots for foreigners in Code S, is a huge honor given to us foreigners, these are the spots, which could be for well deserving koreans fighting really hard into code B and Code A. Who is this guy in Code S, who got a free spot, and throwing down games, where he has the honor to play nestea ? This must really upsets koreans. You cannot go to pre interview, say that you are eager to face Nestea, and then behaving like an immature kid, who didn't get his qualification. What's your training regime ? 6H a day ? can't you just play one more game, and end it like a man ? for a long time, people talked about the immaturity of Naniwa, and how it backfired on him, that just another example. | ||
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Krunked
Sweden63 Posts
I think gom is actic more like childish then naniwa, just terrible. | ||
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leBIGcrab
France313 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:41 CuSToM wrote: Sounds like you're the one that needs to get over it. Throwing a game IS UNPROFESSIONAL especially when you're a progamer. All these people whining about not wanting to buy tickets cause Naniwa isn't going to be in Code S next season: did you feel like you got your money's worth after what he did last night? You're an idiot. Read my other posts. I dislike Naniwa and what he did wasn't good. But they shouldn't ban him from Code S. That's what i defend. You want to be professional GOM? Write motherfucking clear rules. | ||
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anrimayu
United States875 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:44 Malpractice.248 wrote: Then maybe their favorite players shouldnt fuck around in a professional atmosphere and give up entirely,. throwing a match, making it less fun for the viewers? But he's from sweden, so everyone from sweden will support him no matter what he does. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
A lot of people are angry. Too harsh of a decision... | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
Now every player that ever does a winning ceremony should get a lifetime ban from the GSL. They are very unproffesional and very disrespectful towards their opponents. Also any proxy nesus/mule drop is instant loss of that series. Grow uw people -.- | ||
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ChoboKal
United States74 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:41 labbe wrote: Let's face it. The ONLY reason there are so many smug people here agreeing with this decision is because it is affecting Naniwa. Had this been ANY other player, say for example HuK, the community outrage would be all over the place. Haters gonna hate. But the is the thing.... Huk wouldn't do something this childish and stupid  | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:44 snailz wrote: GOMTV lost a lot of love today nope, actually the opposite. They gained a lot of respect for treating all players the same. Naniwa broke a rule so he got punished for it. | ||
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Xlancer
United States126 Posts
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