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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:17 Clefairy wrote: At the very least don't take your hand off your keyboard and rest your head in your keyboard hand. There's no need for clear guides, just common sense. No. There really is a need for clear guide lines if your going to start banning players on subjective whims. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:13 Kryptic.610 wrote: Like Morrow put it earlier, Naniwa shouldn't be forced to be an actor. Naniwa is the probably the most genuine progamer out there, I hate that Gom is trying to destroying the integrity of the game. This whole situation made possible and brought to you by Gom's horrible format! Basically, Gom shouldn't shit where they eat. Naniwa shouldn't be forced to be an actor, but if he should do his job. He is a pro gamer. He legally agreed to the format and to said he'd play all the games. Naniwa acted highly unprofessionally and childish. So what you went 0-3, you agreed to the format and said you'd play all your games. Instead you threw a fit and decided fuck GOM I'm going to throw this game and he got punished for it. Naniwa is the one destroying the integrity of the game. GOM is being a professional organization and not rolling over cause some childish player is upset of a format that HE AGREED TO. | ||
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:15 mememolly wrote: all sports need drama and this will grow esports for a little bit, but it has left a void where players are not going to know how they should act and might turn everyone into a BW korean robot and that doesn't fly in the west, in the west drama and character have a big impact on viewers and if they try and make everyone into a robot then it will hurt esports's growth This isn't drama though. Probe rushing is not "drama". It's a copout. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:17 Skyreaper wrote: So you are saying NaNiwa really is an amateurish money hunter. That may not be his intention but his act certainly points toward that direction to people who don't read his interviews (Mr. Chae). | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
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TiTanIum_
Brazil1335 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:14 BLinD-RawR wrote: I thought he quit right before the start of the season? That was Rain (and amazingly there was a shit storm due to that). | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
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Snijjer
United States989 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:09 Warent wrote: Again the fotball... They would both use their B-teams with unexperienced players whom have everything to gain from showing off their skills to coaches, talent scouts etc. thus making the match count - for the players. And thus this analogy fails - again. No your understanding of what an Analogy is fails. Naniwa is not a set of individuals, he is the team. The team decided to rest their top players - that's their strategy. Their strategy is one which lost them their game. Naniwa played the SC2 game. His strategy - probe rush - was a losing strategy. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:16 Gin-san wrote: IdrA gave Bullshit. He left after the Group nominations of GSL March which forced a walkover for 2 out of the 3 players in the group yet. In other words he ruined the group .Yet he wasn't punished in any way but rather given a Code S spot. ...GOMtv asked IdrA to go ahead and pick his group before leaving. That's why he was able to leave on good terms. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:13 Govou wrote: me me me me me me me how about others? sponsors? fans? your pride? and professionalism? nah fuck it, I dont want to play. It's not really a sports anyway. right? You guys realize that all sports are self-serving right? Plus, we're talking about individual sport where players will always put themselves first and foremost. ._. Come on now. Everything else is cause and effect. | ||
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Kulijo
Germany49 Posts
Right decison. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
GSL, what a joke. I'll definitely NOT buy a pass this season. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:18 Hnnngg wrote: This isn't drama though. Probe rushing is not "drama". It's a copout. what do you call this thread if not drama? | ||
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:17 Skyreaper wrote: So you are saying NaNiwa really is an amateurish money hunter. Sure, because money hunter would obviously try his hardest to get to the league with the best opponents in the world and not so much money in prizes. Brilliant plan. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:18 Asymmetric wrote: No. There really is a need for clear guide lines if your going to start banning players on subjective whims. These "subjective whims" are pretty much common sense, if you have any sense of respect or self-control you would have no problem. | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:05 ToasteR_ wrote: Theres still a medal up for grab in the 3rd place game, therefore not meaningless For the FIFA third place match sure, but there are group stage matches that are completely meaningless (Poland - Costa Rica in 2006, for example. There wasn't any own goal in that match). And there are a lot of games / races in many Olympic sports that are played despite absolutely zero medal implication. Water Polo and Field Hockey actually have a game for eleventh place. If that isn't meaningless, I don't know what is. And yet teams actually try to win. | ||
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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Catalyst
Japan77 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:07 Wallstreet11 wrote: Two things.When Bomber and MC BM they are "unique" and "funny". When a foreigner like Naniwa does the thumbs down he gets booed at MLG and then he gets a severe punishment for "dissing" as some have called it a korean player? Haha such a huuuuge amount of hypocrisy. "You do not probe rush a korean player because it was considered disrespectful. THEY WHAT is MC´s thumbs down, Bombers Shannanigans and all who make manner mules/nexi? There is a difference between BM and throwing a match (which is clearly what happened, as evidenced by the lack of control input after the initial box-move). Second, those things you mention considered BM are meant to disrespect their opponents. What Naniwa did could be considered disrespectful to pretty much everyone involved in the tournament except himself. I don't care for or respect players who thrown down manner mules or any of that garbage personally, but do not try to equate such behavior with what Naniwa did. Not in the same class, at all. | ||
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Phenrock
United Kingdom132 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:11 SC2NeCro wrote: Match fixing occurs between the cooperation of 2 parties, with a pre-determined positive result for one of them. None of this happened. It was a thrown game that is all, stop blowing it out of proportion. Actually throwing a game is match fixing. If you bet against yourself and deliberately lost, you've fixed the match, regardless if the other player knows about it. A snooker players John Higgins has much controversy regarding this. Naniwa could argue, it's a legitimate strategy to win, but no-one actually would believe that. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10852 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:12 Drunkface wrote: In the same way that a ladder game would, which is not at all. Obviously they weren't going to reveal anything good or put any significant amount of effort into a meaningless game. Well it showed that one of these guys is a professional and the other isn't. | ||
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