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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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ChowChillaCharlie
Sweden677 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:04 zala2023 wrote:only play seriously when theres potential money to be made does not care about his fans, when theres no money on the line, goes for random probe rush What a bunch of bullshit... He didn't think there was any point in playing since there was no chance of advancing for any of them. Keep making stuff up though, it's amusing. | ||
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Shortynut
Australia78 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:02 QuasarStarcraft wrote: Ok first off since everyone is going into other sports, in the NFL usually when a team has lost the game (its a blow out) they will try to end the game by running the ball. This is obviously not trying to win as being down 20 points is not recovered from running the ball with little time left. Near the end of the season when guaranteed playoffs or home-field advantage teams have no incentive to win (none at all), this leads to most if not all first-string(starting) players getting the day off (again not trying to win). In my opinion GOM should not take away Naniwa's Code S spot. It in my opinion is a slap in the face to the "League Exchange" where I believe that "abusive behavior" rule was taken to the most extreme you can possibly take a rule in applying it to something it doesn't apply to. The point of this was GOM feeling pressure from the Korean culture and populace to do something about Naniwa "throwing" a game, even though there is no specific rule and what Naniwa did wasn't illegal. This shows that if GOM doesn't like you, or doesn't like something you did they can take whatever action they want regardless of any rules or agreements tl;dr Other sports do this IMO GOM reacted to pressure and not to a rule being broken GOM set precedent if they don't like what you did can do whatever they want Naniwa should be awarded the Code S spot he rightfully earned It happens in all sports around the world, an Australian football team in the last match of the 2011 Ladder season rested only 4 of their key players because they were guaranteed 1st, and were thrashed hard! Though they didn't intentionally throw the game, they just fielded a weaker team. | ||
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Wallstreet11
133 Posts
Haha such a huuuuge amount of hypocrisy. "You do not probe rush a korean player because it was considered disrespectful. THEY WHAT is MC´s thumbs down, Bombers Shannanigans and all who make manner mules/nexi? That is of course allowed and they don´t get shit for that but when a foreigner does not take a game seriously he gets punished in less than 24h!? Jesus what an organisation | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:42 MorroW wrote: but dont you guys agree in general making a rule where if a game doesnt matter, player should be allowed to request for walkover? or do you prefer them to be forced to play a game that doesnt matter? because this to me is far more important discussion than whatever else happened here a rule like this to me, makes perfect sense It's one game. Just play it for the fans, it's really not that big a deal. Small price to pay for being able to participate in the biggest tournament in the world. | ||
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Xivsa
United States1009 Posts
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haffy
United Kingdom430 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:00 krisss wrote: Finally NaNi gets what he deserves. Hopefully he learns a lesson, and grows up sometime. Watching NaNiwa always felt like watching a 12-year old child play. Finally someone does sth against such unprofessional behavior. I don't see how he needs to grow up. He acts the way he wants, which isn't inappropriate. People get way to over sensitive over dumb stuff. I'd much prefer to play sports against someone who wants to play seriously than someone who is going to play half arsed. So for him to just give up on something he didn't want to do just saved me seeing a shity game. I was disappointed though, because I wanted to see Naniwa vs Nestea. But if both players have absolutely nothing to play for, is it really unexpected when one doesn't want to play? | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:06 SC2NeCro wrote: Except both of them were out of the tournament, so what were they trying to fix, huh? You are still match-fixing. Doesn't mean it's a malicious sAviOr type of thing, but by definition it's match-fixing. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: No, because match-fixing (in the illegal sense) means that there was a reason for doing so, like moving the opponent up through the tournament, or making some money off the outcome. There was absolutely no benefit whatsoever for what Naniwa did. He didn't cheat, nor did his throwing of the match affect the tournament. All it did is frustrate the people who wanted to watch a full game. you don't need to gain something in order for a match to be fixed. Match fixing simply means a match played to a pre-determined result. Benefits, reasons, etc have nothing to do with the term match fixing. Anyway, it wasn't for completely meaningless. It sorts out the rank between Nestea and Naniwa | ||
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Ninjahoe
Sweden148 Posts
GOM covering up their ass... | ||
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Warent
Sweden205 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:02 Holloworb wrote: I understand your reasoning MorroW., but i can't say I agree. You can't get explicitly warned about everything you aren't alowed to or shouldn't do in this world. Everyone is making sport analogies in this thread because thats what you should be comparing yourselves to. Lets say that Djurdgården and AIK met for the final match of the season, there's nothing on the line, all the spots in the league has been decided. So one team decides they dont want to play, they keep score on their own goal etc. You really think there wouldn't have been repercussions? Again the fotball... They would both use their B-teams with unexperienced players whom have everything to gain from showing off their skills to coaches, talent scouts etc. thus making the match count - for the players. And thus this analogy fails - again. | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:07 ChowChillaCharlie wrote: What a bunch of bullshit... He didn't think there was any point in playing since there was no chance of advancing for any of them. Keep making stuff up though, it's amusing. yeah, with all the effort the producers put in, with the audience watching, the opponent practicing, hundreds of progamers wishing they could get a televised match vs someone like nestea, there's definitely nothing at stake here since there's no money at stake. | ||
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Skyreaper
70 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:03 Fischbacher wrote: You know, plenty of sports force athletes to play meaningless games. Dead rubbers in Tennis team tournaments, bottom-fender NFL games, consolation rounds in the Olympics (yes, a lot of sports in the Olympics make people play out non-medal positions)... when you're payed to play a game you play it, even if the outcome doesn't matter to you. That's what being a professional means. The only real excuse for dropping out / not trying in those kind of situations are injury. And not being able to play a good game in those situations is bs. Dead games in the FIFA world cup tend to be quite decent, the third place games in those world cups tend to be even better than the final (see: Uruguay vs Germany) and a lot of Olympic B-finals tend to be quite entertaining (the B-final of the men's 5000m relay, which only had two teams due to a disqualification, was actually a sick two way race). Point being that athletes play excellent meaningless games all the time. NaNiwa has no excuse. Teams play prospects sit out star athletes to see what they got. Teams are so down and out and lack complete confidence. When the game becomes a blowout, some players retire. How much fight you have left? Some players don't show up for whatever reason (lack of confidence, not meshing with players, don't like the coaching philosophy). Blah, blah, blah. Shall I continue? Amateur sports are a bit different than professional sports. Especially Olympics. Way more to it. Lots of athletes want to know where they stand in the world and it varies from event to event. In some cases you have no choice in certain races, or if the judging is based on a measurement. So yeah, not necessarily the best comparison. You want the top players to compete at their highest level there should always be something more on the line. | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:05 Fus wrote: I still love you Naniwa! :D I think he did nothing wrong, it was a failure in GOMs match system. Pointless games is pointless. Any game with audience is not pointless. In this case even with production crew, and last thing you were paid to play it. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:08 haffy wrote: I don't see how he needs to grow up. He acts the way he wants, which isn't inappropriate. People get way to over sensitive over dumb stuff. I'd much prefer to play sports against someone who wants to play seriously than someone who is going to play half arsed. So for him to just give up on something he didn't want to do just saved me seeing a shity game. I was disappointed though, because I wanted to see Naniwa vs Nestea. But if both players have absolutely nothing to play for, is it really unexpected when one doesn't want to play? It is inappropriate given the situation he was in. " He acts the way he wants, which isn't inappropriate" is pretty much against social structure. | ||
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zala2023
United States228 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:08 haffy wrote: I don't see how he needs to grow up. He acts the way he wants, which isn't inappropriate. People get way to over sensitive over dumb stuff. I'd much prefer to play sports against someone who wants to play seriously than someone who is going to play half arsed. So for him to just give up on something he didn't want to do just saved me seeing a shity game. I was disappointed though, because I wanted to see Naniwa vs Nestea. But if both players have absolutely nothing to play for, is it really unexpected when one doesn't want to play? what do you mean by "nothing to play for"? last time i checked most progamers cared about their fans and want to show their best efforts to their fans and people who supported them? instead naniwa derped around, and now his image took a nosedive | ||
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:09 Ninjahoe wrote: Err that's a load of bullshit, top finisher at MLG always gets Code S seed, why would it be any diffrent at providence? GOM covering up their ass... Oh my god do you even read posts or do you just blindly slap the keyboard and hope for the best? GOM didn't send any korean invites to providence. Hence, they also didn't give out any Code S invites. Thats how the partnership worked. | ||
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TiTanIum_
Brazil1335 Posts
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
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