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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 15 2011 01:56 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Well...on the bright side...we get to see more Sen! :D
That's fucked up because Sen and Idra should have to earn their spot.
Idra is at least defensible because he's been beasting it up since IEM Guangzhou.
What has Sen done?
I like Sen and I know he's one of the top foreigners but it's ridiculous he gets a free Code S spot when even MC had to go to Orlando to get back in.
I understand that GOM wants more foreigners but to compromise the integrity of the GSL by handing out privileged positions is retarded. Putting Sen and Idra in Up and Downs would be far more appropriate, or at least a special qualifiers for the vacant Code S spots. ANYTHING would be better than free (and apparently arbitrary Code S spot).
What about people like Puma, TheSTC, other people slaving on teams like IM and Slayers?
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On December 15 2011 02:03 Fischbacher wrote:
You know, plenty of sports force athletes to play meaningless games. Dead rubbers in Tennis team tournaments, bottom-fender NFL games, consolation rounds in the Olympics (yes, a lot of sports in the Olympics make people play out non-medal positions)... when you're payed to play a game you play it, even if the outcome doesn't matter to you. That's what being a professional means. The only real excuse for dropping out / not trying in those kind of situations are injury.
And not being able to play a good game in those situations is bs. Dead games in the FIFA world cup tend to be quite decent, the third place games in those world cups tend to be even better than the final (see: Uruguay vs Germany) and a lot of Olympic B-finals tend to be quite entertaining (the B-final of the men's 5000m relay, which only had two teams due to a disqualification, was actually a sick two way race). Point being that athletes play excellent meaningless games all the time. NaNiwa has no excuse.
Theres still a medal up for grab in the 3rd place game, therefore not meaningless
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All of you who agrue about importance of a match, do you watch pros play on ladder? oO
just sayin....i bet 100€ naniwa wouldnt probe rush like that in a ladder match, that is way less important than playing against Nestea!
seriously...i always thought TL was a community full of ppl for love of the sports, but these days it turned into a playground for flame wars: attack of the fanboy
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I still love you Naniwa! :D I think he did nothing wrong, it was a failure in GOMs match system. Pointless games is pointless.
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For people calling Naniwa a "bounty hunter"... what do you call the Koreans that show up to big NA events like Providence when they don't come to any other MLGs (Leenock for example) ? He came for the money. There's nothing wrong with that. But that makes him much more of a "greedy" player than someone like Naniwa that moved to Korea just to freaking practice. Someone that played a ton of smaller tournaments as well.
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On December 15 2011 02:03 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:56 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:53 Shalaiyn wrote:On December 15 2011 01:46 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:45 Fjodorov wrote:
The main point here is that Naniwa is being punished for breaking a rule that doesnt exist. Its simply unprofessional practice by GOM. match fixing is a rule that doesn't exist now? Don't talk about terms you obviously have no idea about what they mean. Match fix: occurs as a match is played to a completely or partially pre-determined result. tell me which part of Naniwa's action was not match fixing No monetary gain. You realize this isn't the first time players dropped games on purpose/not shown up, or didn't give it their all? As soon as we start picking players apart for not giving it 100%, which happens all the time. You're walking on a thin line.
you don't need monetary gain for obvious match fix.
Dropped games or not shown up is NOT acceptable in GSL. you will get your code S spot rescinded and possibly even banned, see Rain.
now if you want to argue that certain players in the past have purposely dropped game, you better have good proof to those accusation
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This is a fucking scandal. How can they do this to nani and all the swedish protoss fans?
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On December 15 2011 02:04 baoluvboa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:03 Kurr wrote:On December 15 2011 02:00 Fionn wrote:On December 15 2011 01:59 Kurr wrote:On December 15 2011 01:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 15 2011 01:56 MLG_Lee wrote:
Folks, we're just becoming aware of the decision from GSL. We don't have all the facts yet and are investigating.
Please stay tuned. Thanks,
Lee clear this shitsorm my friend,for all our sakes! Yeah, imagine MLG decided to refuse to pay for Korean's flight to MLG Providence. I'm SURE GSL wouldn't have minded that right? The fact that GSL even took this decision without factoring in their partnership is even worse than I thought initially. This could literally break the exchange program. They paid for the Koreans to go to Providence? Well, they paid for the 4 invited seeds each tournament. I assume Providence was not different although it being the last tournament maybe it was. The point is, GSL is not holding their end of the agreement here. There were no Korean seeds at Providence.
there was becuase the Exchange program gives korean players a chance to collect MLG points towards the last tournamet aka providence
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On December 15 2011 02:01 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:00 oogieogie wrote:On December 15 2011 01:56 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:53 Shalaiyn wrote:On December 15 2011 01:46 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:45 Fjodorov wrote:
The main point here is that Naniwa is being punished for breaking a rule that doesnt exist. Its simply unprofessional practice by GOM. match fixing is a rule that doesn't exist now? Don't talk about terms you obviously have no idea about what they mean. Match fix: occurs as a match is played to a completely or partially pre-determined result. tell me which part of Naniwa's action was not match fixing Naniwa wasn't going to throw the match if he won the other matchs or if nestea won the other matchs? Also this is more to just throwing a match not match fixing at all. throwing a match is match fixing...
No, because match-fixing (in the illegal sense) means that there was a reason for doing so, like moving the opponent up through the tournament, or making some money off the outcome.
There was absolutely no benefit whatsoever for what Naniwa did. He didn't cheat, nor did his throwing of the match affect the tournament. All it did is frustrate the people who wanted to watch a full game.
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If I'm Naniwa, I strongly consider suing. I live abroad, so assuming things are the same in South Korea, I know that there are lawyers who deal very specifically with foreign contracts and Visa situations, and very specifically laws with valid foreigner contacts. If the rule GOM uses is taking offense, that's an exceptionally vague rule, and in most courts should be thrown out for the vagueness of the action. Things to consider would be who provides Nani's Visa in Korea, and the rulings of Korean court, but realistically if he was actually given his Code S seed, he should have a good case if he decides to pursue it since they're quoting such an obscure rule.
Of course, I haven't seen his contract, so there's probably a safety "We may revoke at any time" clause, and the Korean court situation could be different from other countries. Additionally, there's the issue of future stays in Korea, as well as his current VISA, especially if GOM provides it.
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On December 15 2011 02:01 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:00 oogieogie wrote:On December 15 2011 01:56 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:53 Shalaiyn wrote:On December 15 2011 01:46 iky43210 wrote:On December 15 2011 01:45 Fjodorov wrote:
The main point here is that Naniwa is being punished for breaking a rule that doesnt exist. Its simply unprofessional practice by GOM. match fixing is a rule that doesn't exist now? Don't talk about terms you obviously have no idea about what they mean. Match fix: occurs as a match is played to a completely or partially pre-determined result. tell me which part of Naniwa's action was not match fixing Naniwa wasn't going to throw the match if he won the other matchs or if nestea won the other matchs? Also this is more to just throwing a match not match fixing at all. throwing a match is match fixing...
Except both of them were out of the tournament, so what were they trying to fix, huh?
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On December 15 2011 02:05 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 15 2011 02:00 Psychobabas wrote:On December 15 2011 01:56 B.I.G. wrote:
the poor guy just seems to be so socially awkard I dont think he realises how people will react to half the stuff he does... Extremely good point. Sometimes I do wonder if he has: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndromeA member of my family has this. Very similar mannerisms to Naniwa. Just a thought and nothing more. we could play bingo in this thread with all the reasons that we have here. so who has aspergers on their card? Hitler, match fixing, aspergers, racism. What other references are we missing the past 5 minutes? This is derailing waaaay too far
moon landing was a hoax
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I think this is pretty bad, since it was a pointless game, and he must have been really frustrated. Bit of an over reaction, imo.
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On December 15 2011 02:04 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 01:56 MrMotionPicture wrote:
Well...on the bright side...we get to see more Sen! :D That's fucked up because Sen and Idra should have to earn their spot. Idra is at least defensible because he's been beasting it up since IEM Guangzhou. What has Sen done? I like Sen and I know he's one of the top foreigners but it's ridiculous he gets a free Code S spot when even MC had to go to Orlando to get back in. I understand that GOM wants more foreigners but to compromise the integrity of the GSL by handing out privileged positions is retarded. Putting Sen and Idra in Up and Downs would be far more appropriate, or at least a special qualifiers for the vacant Code S spots. ANYTHING would be better than free (and apparently arbitrary Code S spot). What about people like Puma, TheSTC, other people slaving on teams like IM and Slayers?
Yeah and apparently MC cant wait to downthumb the undeserving Sen and Idra.
... sad day
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Though I do understand GOM's judgement I think it will have long-term consequences to the rules in motion and the organization. If they start out by revoking a high seed from a player, because of something like Naniwa did, they need to start adding further examples and exceptions. The rule book will grow bigger and bigger by the paragraphs, as they have to include ever more details. I mean, was this unprecedented? Did (e.g.) in BW nobody offend in this way? GOM will have solved this one situation, but what about the next one? Will the go by the same paragraph in their rulebook? Or will they start clearing out loopholes? We'll see.
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On December 15 2011 02:06 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:05 zeru wrote:On December 15 2011 02:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 15 2011 02:00 Psychobabas wrote:On December 15 2011 01:56 B.I.G. wrote:
the poor guy just seems to be so socially awkard I dont think he realises how people will react to half the stuff he does... Extremely good point. Sometimes I do wonder if he has: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndromeA member of my family has this. Very similar mannerisms to Naniwa. Just a thought and nothing more. we could play bingo in this thread with all the reasons that we have here. so who has aspergers on their card? Hitler, match fixing, aspergers, racism. What other references are we missing the past 5 minutes? This is derailing waaaay too far moon landing was a hoax
Pizza are vegetables
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To be honest I wasn't going to watch the game anyway because Moletrap was casting. I think we can all just agree with that and move on.
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On December 15 2011 02:06 Govou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:05 zeru wrote:On December 15 2011 02:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 15 2011 02:00 Psychobabas wrote:On December 15 2011 01:56 B.I.G. wrote:
the poor guy just seems to be so socially awkard I dont think he realises how people will react to half the stuff he does... Extremely good point. Sometimes I do wonder if he has: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndromeA member of my family has this. Very similar mannerisms to Naniwa. Just a thought and nothing more. we could play bingo in this thread with all the reasons that we have here. so who has aspergers on their card? Hitler, match fixing, aspergers, racism. What other references are we missing the past 5 minutes? This is derailing waaaay too far moon landing was a hoax
naniwa was behind 9/11
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Guess I jsut wont watch GSL at least for next season huh?
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