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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Fjodorov
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:44 MLG_Adam wrote: Slasher works for MLG in our video department. He is NOT a representative of the League. Any opinion or discussion from Slasher is solely opinion based. hire someone competent. as you said, he still DOES work for MLG, spreading misinformation and lousy "journalism" | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:34 dawnstone wrote: No they play with their B-team instead....... Pointless point you are trying to make. Since the players have something to gain from these games they can improve their chances for a spot in the staring line up for the next game, and some of them might even have salaries depending on how many games they play. So dont make retarded arguments please since Naniwa had nothing to gain from that game. In this case, NaNiWa is a team. This tournament is with teams of 1, and so NaNiWa is competing as such. He could easily play his B game and try to improve one of his totally random and weird ladder cheeses or something. Or he could play to improve his win %. Or he could play to give an additional "YEAH NESTEA THAT'S RIGHT, I'M BETTER THAN YOU ARE". In this case, NaNiWa probably just forfeit the game because he didn't want to get trashed by NesTea and hear a bunch of crap for it. He probably thought "I'm not playing well today, NesTea will probably rape me, I don't feel like hearing bullshit after getting completely owned by NesTea. I guess I'll just throw the game". | ||
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Szubie
United Kingdom294 Posts
Not only that, throwing the game disrespected his opponent, and wasted an opportunity that other people would have loved to have. Audience members and fans who might have payed specifically to see him play, especially against Nestea, were all also dissapointed. If you want e-sports to be taken seriously you need "professional" standards, and Naniwa quite simply wasn't living up to them. Also, seems he was being given the spot, and consequently it being taken away is very understandable. The main problem really is how obvious the disrespect was. The gesture left no room for interpretation in any other way. You can't do something like that and expect to get away with it. Especially considering GOM was apparently gifting the spot to him, giving him an 'unfair' advantage over other players who needed to qualify 'properly'. The degree of punishment that should've been taken can be debated, but punishment was definately required. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:42 MorroW wrote: but dont you guys agree in general making a rule where if a game doesnt matter, player should be allowed to request for walkover? or do you prefer them to be forced to play a game that doesnt matter? because this to me is far more important discussion than whatever else happened here a rule like this to me, makes perfect sense I agree with you there should be such a rule. But Naniwa still pissed off lots of koreans and progamers. Gom acted on that. But suddenly they are communists, hypocritical, double standards, evil and kespa. ...... | ||
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FiNTer
Finland153 Posts
On December 15 2011 00:30 Femari wrote: 1. Choya was banned for a while for that. 2. Nestea was playing in an All-Star match that wasn't even a tournament and there was no money on the line. HuK took it seriously while in prior matches in the All-Star thing MKP had reverted to being Clare and MC was off racing as well as LosirA. That was something was blatantly not to be taken seriously. 3. Show me absolute proof HerO threw the match instead of attempting to win or shut up with ridiculous accusations. About that second nestea stuff what matter was with nani vs nestea winner got only honour the match didnt effect anyway on tournament this only happenend cause naniwa is naniwa. | ||
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lightsentry
413 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:41 zeru wrote: ask gom when they banned choya after he rock paper scissored for ladder points? the thing about that is that ladder points were(are?) part of gomtv's system for getting into code b (i remember watching project a and seeing that yellow had to get 500+ points in master's or something to register for code b). As for cella doing stupid shit that's his business whereas choya just wanted to mass up points really quickly without playing i believe. | ||
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Govou
Canada1072 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:42 MorroW wrote: but dont you guys agree in general making a rule where if a game doesnt matter, player should be allowed to request for walkover? or do you prefer them to be forced to play a game that doesnt matter? because this to me is far more important discussion than whatever else happened here a rule like this to me, makes perfect sense when the money and sponsors are involved you dont get to chose which games you dont want to play as a player. if it is scheduled, and if you are paid, you should play. and at least make in plausible. do you watch world cup? I guess you dont | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:42 poorcloud wrote: You are speaking with hindsight now that you know he was going to give it up anyways. If he just did a 4 gate and lost, no one would have thought he was throwing it away. Some may have even pitied him due to frustration. Others would have applauded him for playing his best in the last game. If he just did a 4 gate, and then said he in an interview he didn't bother at all and he just wanted to finish it quickly, i assure you many people would be offended as well. If Naniwa 4Gated it'd be so obvious he wasn't trying and had no care at all. It wouldn't even be a proper 4gate, he'd just 4gate and do it as badly as possible to lose as quickly as possible. I guess some people are really dumb and wouldn't realise unless Naniwa straight up said that he didn't care about the game. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:42 MorroW wrote: but dont you guys agree in general making a rule where if a game doesnt matter, player should be allowed to request for walkover? or do you prefer them to be forced to play a game that doesnt matter? because this to me is far more important discussion than whatever else happened here a rule like this to me, makes perfect sense well... in this case i would have prefered if they were forced to play for the fans. i was really eager to see the naniwa vs nestea rematch and wanted nestea to win in a legit way. nestea trained his ass off apparently and didn't get to show anything vs naniwa, while he lost everything else. | ||
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SKtheAnathema
United States885 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:35 IOvEggY wrote: heres how life is. if you act like a dick karmas going to come back at you Lets look at it this way. currently GSL is the SC2 channel in Korea. All the koreans watch this so they can get their fill for SC2 GSL/GOMtv is a Business Naniwa is a pawn in the business. Naniwas job is to give SC2 games because he is a PRO, that is why he is THERE Naniwa DID NOT fulfill his job. You cannot call that a game of sending probes. Please dont say this is even a legitimate strategy, thats just some technical bullcrock. Would you even do it on ladder? GSL was like well **** you, you dont make our business look good peace /Endofthisnaniwa You seem to be missing the point. A game that has nothing on the line means players don't play 100%. What Johan did was an extreme example of this and should make the organizers question their practice and rules to begin with. Not enough incentive to play. Player is only there to win and you have the two bottom feeders playing for 150 USD more? Give me a break. He didn't break any rules. Other professional athletes do all sorts of stuff like this all the time. Pro Gamers do this all the time too. Once again, Johan took it to the extreme and should make event organizers see the backslash of putting players in these scenarios where they only want to WIN. GOM is putting their cultural beliefs first and making a scapegoat of Johan when there are already dozens of events where shit like this has happened. Once again, extreme example. GOM's stance is simply the following: Not in our House. Well, you should have written the code of conduct for your Tournament beforehand and informing all the players. Not after one event. This wasn't the only event either. GOM has had problems with their Korean players as well. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50629 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:42 MorroW wrote: but dont you guys agree in general making a rule where if a game doesnt matter, player should be allowed to request for walkover? or do you prefer them to be forced to play a game that doesnt matter? because this to me is far more important discussion than whatever else happened here a rule like this to me, makes perfect sense yes it should exist and should be applicable in theory but I'm not sure of its application in practice, as they still need to run ads to promote the sponsor and such.. | ||
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:24 MasterKush wrote: You couldn't fucking contradict yourself anymore. He is a true professional? (... LOL) If he was such a professional, he would of just sucked it up and 4gated Nestea. Nobody would of gave him shit and it would of cost him 6 more minutes of his oh so precious time. At this level of play, a probe rush is not a strategy, it's not a cheese, it's just a way of telling everyone "I cannot be bothered with this tournament anymore". So please for the love of god can you ignorant fanboys stop comparing this to "all-in" builds that other players have done WHICH ACTUALLY HAVE A CHANCE OF WORKING. He knew exactly what he was doing, and I am actually starting to think he thrives from all the bullshit drama he creates. The only problem is, it won't be long before he has worked his way through every team willing to give him a chance. I feel most sorry for Quantic Gaming after this whole affair, definitely not Naniwa. The point is Naniwa kept his competitive integrity intact. He could of simply of played some half-assed show match and 4-gated. He could easily of done that and lied about why he chose to do it in the post-game interview. It would of still be a sham match though, only appeasing the deluded. I'm not going to do anything as drastic as cancel my years subscription to gom but I hope Naniwa has sent a clear message to them that these tournament formats are terrible. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:42 MorroW wrote: but dont you guys agree in general making a rule where if a game doesnt matter, player should be allowed to request for walkover? or do you prefer them to be forced to play a game that doesnt matter? because this to me is far more important discussion than whatever else happened here a rule like this to me, makes perfect sense I agree with that, but who says what matters and what doesn't? Does a 3rd place match matter if the difference between 3rd and 4th is small? Is it up to the player to decide that? What if the organizer scheduled for it? | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:45 Fjodorov wrote: The main point here is that Naniwa is being punished for breaking a rule that doesnt exist. Its simply unprofessional practice by GOM. match fixing is a rule that doesn't exist now? | ||
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tlin
25 Posts
Because it's not like GOM could ever hold Koreans to dfifferent standards than they do Foreigners, right? | ||
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Xax
475 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:42 MorroW wrote: but dont you guys agree in general making a rule where if a game doesnt matter, player should be allowed to request for walkover? or do you prefer them to be forced to play a game that doesnt matter? because this to me is far more important discussion than whatever else happened here a rule like this to me, makes perfect sense that's why in my opinion, coaches need to be present. if naniwa had someone to talk about the situation, the coach could've saved face and maybe asked for a walkover. like this, naniwa on his own, he had no chance to really ask for it maybe? according to his interview he did not try to get a walkover anyways. | ||
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Kieofire
United States1809 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:45 Fjodorov wrote: The main point here is that Naniwa is being punished for breaking a rule that doesnt exist. Its simply unprofessional practice by GOM. Rules get made this way, not everyone thinks about situations that may or may not happen at all to make them. You get jailed or the death punishment for killing and that was not a "rule" since the beginning of time. | ||
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4of8
Germany256 Posts
On December 15 2011 01:11 HappyChris wrote: Hahaha Morrow thats just so mean to sjow. lol Be careful Morrow or maybe GOM will take back your invite to Code A  But I couldn't agree more, no rules broken but still punishing him... Give nani a warning and set up clear rules for the future and prevent these situations, this would have been a proper reaction. | ||
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