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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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ChowChillaCharlie
Sweden677 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:52 Pwnographics wrote: If they had a good game it would have pleased the viewers which is the main purpose of the tournament? The main purpose of the tournament was to show the best of the best, not a forced mediocre game from two players that was already out and gone. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
The Naniwa incident has nothing to do with race. If SlayersBrown did the same shit Naniwa pulled, Boxer would have kicked him off the team and out of the team house while Chae took away his Code S spot. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
The people who believe that GOM's decision was deserved are equally pathetic Naniwa has a poor attitude and seriously needs to grow up. However, he doesn't deserve the boot, only a warning. | ||
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Xdivine
Canada13 Posts
Think of it like if you were supposed to have a football game played live and one team simply decided to put 1 person on the field that simply runs back and forth like their head is chopped off. The network that they're on would be FURIOUS. You can't expect people to stay tuned in for something completely ridiculous. At least if the team came out and played a game people would have something to watch for their 1-2 hours of the game instead of switching channels. Edit: The $900 thing was from about 20 pages back somewheres, this thread is moving hella fast. | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:52 Inflicted_ wrote: As Blahz0r just added to the Liquipedia page: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/naniwas-ascension Even MLG believed that the Exchange program between the two leagues counted Providence. This, I'm really interested into whether MLG was contacted at all during this descision and what their opinion was on the matter. Could have some implications between the MLG and GSL contract if no communication occured. | ||
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Excomm
United States152 Posts
"It wasn't Naniwa, it was GOM." "It wasn't Naniwa, it was the build he used." "It wasn't Naniwa, he didn't break any rules." "It's not just Naniwa, everyone else does the same thing." At what point does a player need to take responsibility for their actions, ever? People making the rules excuses for Naniwa might be in for a shock when they get fired from their job for misconduct or poor performance and they complain, "but we didn't break any rules!" If any other player had done the same thing, they would have gotten the same punishment (possibly worse for a player on a Korean team) so there is no discrimination here. You can argue the penalty is too harsh, but stop blaming everyone else for this decision. Naniwa has no one to blame but himself. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:54 Mashmed wrote: It means something now, it didn't when it was played. When you enter a tournament you agree with the format. If you don't, then don't enter the tournament. | ||
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Overpowered
Czech Republic764 Posts
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
How is Mr Chae going to explain to fanbase that he invited Naniwa ( someone who has not earnt Code S) into Code S after he just threw away a game? | ||
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Leach
United States536 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:49 Hopelessnoob wrote: NaNi said joke tourney and he did not get a punishment half as bad as this Players saying FUCK YOU in MLG only gets a technical foul... This is clearly off the hook Glad many people are tweeting and emailing them. I hope they can grow togvether with NaNi to a brighter future Yeah but don't forget that there are huge cultural differences between Korea and, say the USA. That's also why I don't understand why people complain that IdrA is 100 times more bm than NaNi, well tbf that might even be true in general. But I'm sure IdrA would never make the mistake of "insulting" somebody on Korean soil, or have you seen IdrA writing "f*ck you" in the GSL? I don't think so  And after the "CoCa - incident" NaNi just should've known how sensitive the Korean culture is towards misbehavior like that | ||
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kazie
258 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:47 drinkpepsi wrote: Nobody was displeased at the 6 probe rush. I would gather most people who don't irrationally hate Naniwa found it funny, while others, like Idra; understood the rationale for his behavior. I can't even begin to imagine the "offended" mindset, I really can't. i was looking forward to this grudge match, esp after the interview event. i dont get how anyone can think throwing a game in a prestigious all star tournament is funny... | ||
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trucane
United States553 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:53 Velr wrote: Lol at the people comparing this to a thumbs down or something MC did. Thumbs-Down and other pregame banther = SHOW = good for the entertainment Actively throwing a game = LOSING ON PURPOSE = bad for the entertainment. Seriously, ugh... Thinking that the same people like to shout "HURTING ESPORTS" as soon as something else totally unimportant happens really hurts my brain... Are you stupid? It's comparable because they fall under the same rule. Read the thread seriously... | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
NANIWA NEVER QUALIFIED FOR CODE S he should be invited for his accomplishments in the past months. It's absolute adequate that they refuse to invite him anymore, if they think he lacks of professionalism and the attitude of a GSL player. NANIWA IS NOT BANNED FROM GSL He can still qualify for GSL January. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:53 DigitalisDestructi wrote: To be honest, NaNiwa's Code S was revoked more because of the "throwing the game" factor, not "BM" factor. From those examples above, only NeaTea and CoCa have relevance. I don't the Blizzcon was managed by Gom, so only CoCa's example left. CoCa (and Byun) got punished pretty heavily by their teams, and I would imagine that Gom would've done something anyway if the punishments weren't handed out. Probe Rush =/= Throwing Game. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:50 drinkpepsi wrote: How can your mind work this way? Racism isn't some direct "Oh, I hate this people!" mindset like you think it is when you're 13 and watched American History X, in this case, it's more of a "I'm better than these people" mindset. So are you saying Naniwa is a racist? or GOM is? It goes both ways. | ||
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Skaminator
112 Posts
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dolvlo
United States99 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:54 Xdivine wrote: From what I hear, Naniwa got paid around $900 to play his games. He didn't play one of the games, basically getting paid for doing 3/4 of what he was supposed to. What if he simply probe rushed every game? He'd be getting $900 for showing up and putting 6~ minutes of.. effort? Something had to be done. Think of it like if you were supposed to have a football game played live and one team simply decided to put 1 person on the field that simply runs back and forth like their head is chopped off. The network that they're on would be FURIOUS. You can't expect people to stay tuned in for something completely ridiculous. At least if the team came out and played a game people would have something to watch for their 1-2 hours of the game instead of switching channels. No, no NO. He was paid $900 to compete in this tournament. Not to play all 4 games. He could have conceded his last match and still gotten paid. You don't know what you're talking about. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:52 Mirror0423 wrote: Nor will 6 probe rushing? But more essentially what i'm asking is would you tolerate that kind of behavior in your tournament if you were running the tournament? Someone playing "as they like" because they have a bad temper? Wouldn't you feel that the status of your tournament was diminished somehow because of such immature behavior? Don't you think if you're paying someone to play the games, even if the game doesn't hold as much weight, should be played out? 1 - the game was played out 2 - I would probably be annoyed if it was my tournament - but i would give the player a warning; not bend some irrelevant rule and apply to this situation and not the countless others that are actually applicable 3 - If the player isn't cheating, then he may play whatever way he wants. Cheating includes the obvious hacking etc but also violating tournament rules. If you read the rule they are applying it is completely ludicrous and more importantly it is completely inconsistent in it's application. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:55 trucane wrote: Are you stupid? It's comparable because they fall under the same rule. Read the thread seriously... Except that rule is ambiguous for that same reason. So they can determine on a case by case basis. | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:46 bkrow wrote: If a player gets mad and builds pylons all over the map are they going to lose their Code S seed? What a ridiculous idea! The players should be able to play any way that they like; if it impacts the players image negatively he will suffer the consequences. It is not necessary for GOM to get involved.. at all. You're a 100% right with that. GOM might as well step up and ban anyone who doesn't make it to the finals for not doing his best. | ||
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