EPTIt's the principle here that counts. Allowing actions like this, even though it has no impact on the tournament results, would set a negative precedent for a sport that considers itself a professional scene.
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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Rekcinad
Netherlands23 Posts
It's the principle here that counts. Allowing actions like this, even though it has no impact on the tournament results, would set a negative precedent for a sport that considers itself a professional scene. | ||
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Waah
United States120 Posts
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:53 bkrow wrote: How is this the right thing? The punishment is complete disproportionate to the infraction; I honestly think the only ones that find this appropriate must be anti-fans of Naniwa because his actions don't justify the response by gom. He deserves a warning; and barely deserves it at that compared to all the other "BM" that goes on. I think the last sentence is the real reason you are happy. Maybe Naniwa will think before he does dumb stuff in the future? (eg; "joke tournament" on MLG mainstage) | ||
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Snake Grunger
Canada61 Posts
But if we look back - at the games of IdrA vs Jinro in a previous GSL, IdrA also gave up pretty early on games he thought were unwinnable (double bunker rush on bottom of his ramp on close-spawn Metalopolis), two factors that have come to become pretty obvious imbalance (close spawn removed, and neutral depot added to prevent such shenanigans) and since corrected for pro play (and partly even on the ladder !) In retrospect, yeah I think IdrA at least tried winning against Jinro, and his early gg gave place to some pro player drama, rather than Naniwa just throwin' his game down the toilet and simply upsetting every viewer that was hoping to see if Naniwa could live up to his previous two Nestea victories. | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:49 Frankon wrote: Man i think ill get in trouble by posting gifs here but.... The game: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Vb0yn.gif) The player during game: ![[image loading]](http://hydropan.linuxpl.info/naniwa.gif) If you guys still say that Naniwa play was legitimate and didn't disrespect the viewers and his opponent you might as well go to Seoul stand before a random korean and spit on his face. (In reality dont even think about doing this) heh nice post, thanks | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
Probe rush with one hand and not using your keyboard and 10 APM = throwing the game. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:42 Mirror0423 wrote: Then you would approve of a player who's "mad" not leaving the game, and just building pylons all over the map delaying the inevitable since that's how he 'wants to play"? Where do you draw the line? It's better to have a vague line than no line at all imo. I don't want Naniwa staying in a game after his main is trashed and his opponent has 12 bases, while naniwa just runs around the map building pylons all over the place untill he's eliminated. Fantasy GG timing floating buildings, Huk bming with pylons and 100 other examples, let players be players, let us see their emotions in game for worse and for better. Naniwa was punished because Esports in korea are now in trouble, so we have to act "properly" with artificial rules, we have to preserve the business side. FBH was running around deafeted Savior , throwing something on others booth, running half naked on a beach and people loved it. However Koreans CANNOT stand when someone who DOESNT want to play, show it, shows his true emotion his human side, which is not funny, not theatrical, and whats the worst is critical to tournament, who cares if there is truth to it (playing pointless match after being exhausted) entairtainmant is most important value. Thats what we call a double standard. Gom needs to step up their game, Naniwa needs to gain some PR lesson. | ||
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drinkpepsi
United States16 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:55 kazie wrote: i was looking forward to this grudge match, esp after the interview event. i dont get how anyone can think throwing a game in a prestigious all star tournament is funny... Sorry, my friend, but professional players don't exist as your personal play things. The kid was dejected, and was playing a match that meant NOTHING. It was a ladder match. 6 probe rushing a ladder match isn't offensive; it's hilarious. | ||
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Algol
Sweden9 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:40 BoomNasty wrote: People will forget this when the second season comes around. GSL had to do something about this guys. Get over it. You don't get away easy with disrespecting a game. Coca lost his spot for disrespecting the game (granted its not the same thing) but you cant disrespect the game. If I remember correctly, GOM did not take away Coca's spot. His team (slayers) made him lave the tournament. Big difference. | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
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zanga
659 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:53 Velr wrote: Lol at the people comparing this to a thumbs down or something MC did. Thumbs-Down and other pregame banther = SHOW = good for the entertainment Actively throwing a game = LOSING ON PURPOSE = bad for the entertainment. Do you not see how that is up for interpretation? If MC played Idra in GSL Semi final, MC wins.. and then thumbs down Idra etc live in front of the camera - Can you imagine how many that offends? Or when he danced around in the studio after knocking out some other korean favorite. (theres more examples btw) Mr. Chae, supposedly the "leader of gomtv", calling naniwa something he clearly does not deserve on twitter - Can you imagine how many that offends? Therefore GOMTV is not consistent at all, ... and this is just one point Im making. | ||
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Phenrock
United Kingdom132 Posts
A warning like a slap on the wrist is laughable. A fine maybe, but these guys don't earn that much for fines to be warranted. Maybe move his Code S spot down to code A? Any way Naniwa certainly makes a geat villain in SC2, it's becoming a pantomine/pro wrestling entertainment... | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:54 lichter wrote: The people who think Naniwa did nothing wrong are pathetic The people who believe that GOM's decision was deserved are equally pathetic Naniwa has a poor attitude and seriously needs to grow up. However, he doesn't deserve the boot, only a warning. Naniwa will only grow up when his actions finally have consequences. Now they do. Let's see if Naniwa grows up. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:56 Algol wrote: If I remember correctly, GOM did not take away Coca's spot. His team (slayers) made him lave the tournament. Big difference. Maybe if SlayerS hadn't done it, GOM would have, it's impossible to know. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:54 lichter wrote: The people who think Naniwa did nothing wrong are pathetic The people who believe that GOM's decision was deserved are equally pathetic Naniwa has a poor attitude and seriously needs to grow up. However, he doesn't deserve the boot, only a warning. He didn't get banned. He just got his invitation taken away. | ||
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GodZo
Italy224 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:45 Pwnographics wrote: When you pay someone $840 just to show up and play games for a tournament you'd at least expect them to play them out in full. Naniwa was not simply invited, he played this tournament because he placed 2nd in MLG Providence.2011. Also he tried so hard, and tried to win the Blizzard Cup. Unlucky he lost, and the last game was not decisive for him or Nestea. | ||
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trucane
United States553 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:56 Waah wrote: He should have forfeited the match if he planned to lose on purpose to begin with. Besides that, he has no faults. Problem is that he wasn't allowed to forfeit thats why he did what he did. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:55 XRaDiiX wrote: Probe Rush =/= Throwing Game. Yes it does......O.o I'm really glad that GOM is making an example of Naniwa like this, hopefully some of this will transfer over to the foreigner scene. No player is bigger than the game, and when they disrespect the game, they should be punished for it. | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
I suggest suspending Chae for one season of GSL. | ||
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Starcraftmazter
Australia71 Posts
On December 14 2011 22:22 Frankon wrote: No koreans invited to MLG Providence = no Code A and S seeds for foreigners. Simple as that. That is not what the GSL-MLG partnership rules say. And we all know that GOMTV is big on rules - right? Right? Tehcnically you already started using the package. You got HQ and vods for Blizzard Cup as part of it. Technically, this one-week long joke of a tournament is not worth $140. I also like how you ignored everything else I said. On December 14 2011 22:25 -Archangel- wrote: Lol man, you have no clue. There is no valid arguments in this letter. Your text is obviously biased and your examples bad. You can either expect no answer or a very polite "you got no clue" answer. On December 14 2011 22:27 Squeegy wrote: That email made me facepalm. It is that full of stupid. Particularly on those parts about bias against foreigners and PayPal refund. Good luck with the latter (it actually made me chuckle a little). On December 14 2011 22:27 buzzkill568 wrote: The sad part is. I read all of that. The even sadder part is that you didn't. Because you are a complete idiot if you did. Gomtv HAD to do something. Please just stfu and read your own shitty wall of text next time. Do any of you actually have any counter-arguments or do you just go around herping and derping? On December 14 2011 22:48 Scrubby-onE wrote: Are you serious? Do you even know the rules? Or are you just spouting nonsense out of your ass? It's a HUGE rule that you cannot throw a match, and any match deemed suspicious gets thoroughly investigated. Naniwa 7 worker rushed, took his hands off his keyboard and everything. He unquestionably threw that match. 1. If you have a problem with matching-throwing, then perhaps you should consider all the other matches that have been thrown, instead of singling this one out based on how it was done. 2. This match did not matter at all. Not even one single bit. None. What GomTV is doing, is highly unethical. There are many matches that get thrown - and they do not ever even get a mention. On December 14 2011 22:48 Scrubby-onE wrote:You think just because he's a foreigner he should be an exception? People pay money and spend their time traveling to the studio to watch great games. I don't even know why you Naniwa fans aren't even upset about it. I am not a Naniwa fan, I do not care for Naniwa. What I see, is a significant problem with the integrity of GomTV. On December 14 2011 22:48 Scrubby-onE wrote: Just throwing a game like that is pretty much a slap in the face for anyone who supports Naniwa, it means he doesn't give a fuck about showing you awesome games, he just cares about himself and his time. Of course, that is why he practices harder than any other foreigner. Because he doesn't care about showing awesome games, and he just cares about his time. It's all clear now. On December 14 2011 22:48 Scrubby-onE wrote:It's not worth to show you guys a game because he doesn't get anything out of it. If you want to be like that, then there is a vast array of players you should be taking issue with, and it needs to be discussed and dealt with as the broader issue which it is - not by singling out one player as a scapegoat. On December 14 2011 22:48 Scrubby-onE wrote:GOM being biased against? /facepalm, Oh god.. If ANYTHING, GOM is biased towards foreigners to improve their international base. How many foreigners actually legitimately qualified for Code A? As in going through Code B tournament, the ridiculous tough tournament that Hero, Dongraegu, theStC, etc failed many times before finally getting through? Like pretty much only Jinro, and IdrA? Everyone else failed. Yet we see so many foreigners being let in simply because theyre foreigners, SeleCT, Sheth, Naniwa, SaSe, the list goes on. They have spots where better Korean players should be, yet cannot because of how hard code B is. GOM even built foreigners a fuckin place to live for christ sake. This has nothing to do with code B being hard, but rather the format of the GSL. Nobody wants to come out to Korea for months and try their hand at getting to code S which is the only place they can have a chance at decent prize money, when there are frequent foreign tournaments on every continent. | ||
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