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On December 14 2011 03:37 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:25 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 03:19 travis wrote:On December 14 2011 03:16 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 03:11 travis wrote:
It's a spectator sport. You never see teams or players go out and then stand there doing nothing in other sports because "the game doesn't matter". If they did then the crowd would boo, and there would be repercussions. Teams do that all the time. The crowd doesn't boo, they just leave the stadium or don't even buy tickets in the first place. The whole reason teams aren't trying is because there are no repercussions. You just don't hear about it because traditional sports audiences are mature enough to understand the point of competition. What? When in professional sports has this happened? I have never seen at least a televised game where this has happened, the team would be ridiculed and there would be a gigantic uproar. What do you call it when a team throws out their B-list players and just lets them dick around? Was Naniwa supposed to bust out his A-game? Why would you expect a results driven player to try their best...fun funsies? Or did you want him to play Goldilocks where he didn't really try but tried hard enough to entertain you? LOL... 3 things: -These "meaningless" games are an excellent moment for players to rest, particularly those who're close to injury, this connects with the next point -These "meaningless" games are a PRICELESS oportunity for young, untested players who want their shot at the main team, and they're expected to play their fucking heart out. -The second point means these games are usually well played. Maybe not the best quality, but with a whole heart, and that can be seen, felt, and expected out of any pro team. Also, if the team decides to actually field their best players, they're expected to play their fucking heart out as well, and give everything to win. If they don't, that's just sad and I feel bad for them and the fans. It's part of being a pro.
In other words those "meaningless" games are a perfect example of the person in charge not caring about the results. Yeah sure, the b-teamers try their hardest to win. Guess what? Nani's probes tried pretty hard to kill Nestea too.
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On December 14 2011 03:37 theBusiness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:29 Integra wrote:On December 14 2011 03:16 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 03:11 travis wrote:
It's a spectator sport. You never see teams or players go out and then stand there doing nothing in other sports because "the game doesn't matter". If they did then the crowd would boo, and there would be repercussions. Teams do that all the time. The crowd doesn't boo, they just leave the stadium or don't even buy tickets in the first place. The whole reason teams aren't trying is because there are no repercussions. You just don't hear about it because traditional sports audiences are mature enough to understand the point of competition. You never hear about this in traditional sports because it never happens I've never seen or even heard of a professional game televised or a stadium with a crowd where the players shows up and then just walks around with the ball instead of running etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Germany_v_Austria_(1982)
Thank you for proving my point 
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On December 14 2011 03:37 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:35 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 03:33 ishboh wrote:
in baseball, if the home team is leading at the end of the top of the 9th inning, they don't play the bottom of the 9th.
in basketball if a team is down 20 points with 10 seconds on the clock, they will often times not even try to steal the ball/foul to get the ball back.
naniwa forfeiting this game is completely inconsequential to everything in the tournament, why would ANYONE care? It has to deal with culture. Korean, and Asian culture in general, trying 100% all the time is a pretty big deal. To give up like Naniwa did, is a HUGE deal in korean culture. The reason this was blown out of proportion was because it was in Korea, and had a lot of Korean eyes on it. If this is was anywhere else this news wouldn't of been quite as big. Ok so it's a culture clash and there's really no point in attacking Naniwa then. People need to understand that not everyone in the world thinks the same way as they do. The west is a lot more individualistic -- there's a reason it birthed the ideas of democracy and capitalism. It sucks what happened, but like I've already said countless times, if you do not give someone any incentive to try you cannot reasonably expect them to try. If you do, you're being naive.
Plenty of the people annoyed with him aren't Korean.
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On December 14 2011 03:37 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:35 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 03:33 ishboh wrote:
in baseball, if the home team is leading at the end of the top of the 9th inning, they don't play the bottom of the 9th.
in basketball if a team is down 20 points with 10 seconds on the clock, they will often times not even try to steal the ball/foul to get the ball back.
naniwa forfeiting this game is completely inconsequential to everything in the tournament, why would ANYONE care? It has to deal with culture. Korean, and Asian culture in general, trying 100% all the time is a pretty big deal. To give up like Naniwa did, is a HUGE deal in korean culture. The reason this was blown out of proportion was because it was in Korea, and had a lot of Korean eyes on it. If this is was anywhere else this news wouldn't of been quite as big. Ok so it's a culture clash and there's really no point in attacking Naniwa then. People need to understand that not everyone in the world thinks the same way as they do. The west is a lot more individualistic -- there's a reason it birthed the ideas of democracy and capitalism. It sucks what happened, but like I've already said countless times, if you do not give someone any incentive to try you cannot reasonably expect them to try. If you do, you're being naive.
I agree completely. If you look at it, almost 100% of the Korean opinion is "disappointed" to "angry" at naniwa.
Foreign opinion is more 40/60 split at "angry/disappointed" / "inconsequential, support nani's decision"
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On December 14 2011 03:39 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:37 mordk wrote:On December 14 2011 03:25 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 03:19 travis wrote:On December 14 2011 03:16 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 03:11 travis wrote:
It's a spectator sport. You never see teams or players go out and then stand there doing nothing in other sports because "the game doesn't matter". If they did then the crowd would boo, and there would be repercussions. Teams do that all the time. The crowd doesn't boo, they just leave the stadium or don't even buy tickets in the first place. The whole reason teams aren't trying is because there are no repercussions. You just don't hear about it because traditional sports audiences are mature enough to understand the point of competition. What? When in professional sports has this happened? I have never seen at least a televised game where this has happened, the team would be ridiculed and there would be a gigantic uproar. What do you call it when a team throws out their B-list players and just lets them dick around? Was Naniwa supposed to bust out his A-game? Why would you expect a results driven player to try their best...fun funsies? Or did you want him to play Goldilocks where he didn't really try but tried hard enough to entertain you? LOL... 3 things: -These "meaningless" games are an excellent moment for players to rest, particularly those who're close to injury, this connects with the next point -These "meaningless" games are a PRICELESS oportunity for young, untested players who want their shot at the main team, and they're expected to play their fucking heart out. -The second point means these games are usually well played. Maybe not the best quality, but with a whole heart, and that can be seen, felt, and expected out of any pro team. Also, if the team decides to actually field their best players, they're expected to play their fucking heart out as well, and give everything to win. If they don't, that's just sad and I feel bad for them and the fans. It's part of being a pro. In other words those "meaningless" games are a perfect example of the person in charge not caring about the results. Yeah sure, the b-teamers try their hardest to win. Guess what? Nani's probes tried pretty hard to kill Nestea too.
No they didn't.. Nani didn't intend to win in the slightest, that's the whole point lol.
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On December 14 2011 03:39 bigbeau wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:36 Subversive wrote:On December 14 2011 03:33 hmunkey wrote:On December 14 2011 03:31 Subversive wrote:On December 14 2011 03:29 Integra wrote:On December 14 2011 03:16 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 03:11 travis wrote:
It's a spectator sport. You never see teams or players go out and then stand there doing nothing in other sports because "the game doesn't matter". If they did then the crowd would boo, and there would be repercussions. Teams do that all the time. The crowd doesn't boo, they just leave the stadium or don't even buy tickets in the first place. The whole reason teams aren't trying is because there are no repercussions. You just don't hear about it because traditional sports audiences are mature enough to understand the point of competition. You never hear about this in traditional sports because it never happens I've never seen or even heard of a professional game televised or a stadium with a crowd where the players shows up and then just walks around with the ball instead of running etc. Yeah its ridiculous. And people saying that it's comparable to b-teamers playing are flat-out wrong. The B-teamers play, that's the point. They try really hard. No one is angry that Naniway didn't try his best. We're angry he didn't try at all. For the last time, you are comparing team sports to an individual competition like SC2. Look at the coach, not the individual players. When a coach fields a team of only 3rd string players, he is not trying to win in the slightest. Normally it would be a stupid strategy to send out only your bad players, but if the results don't matter there's no point in trying. That's what Nani did. He sent his probes to go fight despite it being a stupid strategy because it didn't matter. That's it. No, if the coach and the team walked out, then didn't try and defend at all and then left after 20 minutes, THAT'S what Nani did. And people would be pissed. Even if it's just for the fans and appearances, people have standards. That's it. Are you ill? You can't walk out on a basketball game. You can gg at any point in a SC2 game. Basketballs victory is based on points gained over time. SC2s victory is based on who forfeits first or whose buildings die first. You forfeit when you know that your buildings will die first. Your comparison sucks.
Your point is spurious. Joining and immediately leaving a game is not playing it. It's the same as forfeiting. If a team did that, it isn't the same as playing a proper game.
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On December 14 2011 03:40 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:37 hmunkey wrote:On December 14 2011 03:35 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 03:33 ishboh wrote:
in baseball, if the home team is leading at the end of the top of the 9th inning, they don't play the bottom of the 9th.
in basketball if a team is down 20 points with 10 seconds on the clock, they will often times not even try to steal the ball/foul to get the ball back.
naniwa forfeiting this game is completely inconsequential to everything in the tournament, why would ANYONE care? It has to deal with culture. Korean, and Asian culture in general, trying 100% all the time is a pretty big deal. To give up like Naniwa did, is a HUGE deal in korean culture. The reason this was blown out of proportion was because it was in Korea, and had a lot of Korean eyes on it. If this is was anywhere else this news wouldn't of been quite as big. Ok so it's a culture clash and there's really no point in attacking Naniwa then. People need to understand that not everyone in the world thinks the same way as they do. The west is a lot more individualistic -- there's a reason it birthed the ideas of democracy and capitalism. It sucks what happened, but like I've already said countless times, if you do not give someone any incentive to try you cannot reasonably expect them to try. If you do, you're being naive. I agree completely. If you look at it, almost 100% of the Korean opinion is "disappointed" to "angry" at naniwa. Foreign opinion is more 40/60 split at "angry/disappointed" / "inconsequential, support nani's decision"
If you're going to throw up numbers, at least do a poll...
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On December 14 2011 03:33 chokke wrote:
Like telling a car mechanic to fix the car, but he is also aware that once he's done with the car, the car will be scrapped.
I am sure he will put a lot pride in the work.
Or a painter knowing his customer will just burn it.
These would be analogous to not trying hard in say a ladder game.
On December 14 2011 03:33 ishboh wrote:
in baseball, if the home team is leading at the end of the top of the 9th inning, they don't play the bottom of the 9th.
in basketball if a team is down 20 points with 10 seconds on the clock, they will often times not even try to steal the ball/foul to get the ball back.
naniwa forfeiting this game is completely inconsequential to everything in the tournament, why would ANYONE care?
This would be analogous to not trying your best when you have a single base, no units and 50 mutas attacking it.
On December 14 2011 03:26 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:19 Subversive wrote:On December 14 2011 03:18 mordk wrote:On December 14 2011 03:16 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 03:11 travis wrote:
It's a spectator sport. You never see teams or players go out and then stand there doing nothing in other sports because "the game doesn't matter". If they did then the crowd would boo, and there would be repercussions. Teams do that all the time. The crowd doesn't boo, they just leave the stadium or don't even buy tickets in the first place. The whole reason teams aren't trying is because there are no repercussions. You just don't hear about it because traditional sports audiences are mature enough to understand the point of competition. What? No they don't, and when they do it sucks. One of the reasons I love my favorite football club is because they'll play every match like it's the last in their lives. And don't start with the "benching stars" and stuff. These matches are usually a great oportunity for young talents to show themselves and for tired players to rest and recover from exhausting seasons. What? When has a team in cricket/soccer/any of the various football codes ever just come onto a stadium and not played? What a dumb thing to say. The team plays, but the good players don't. That's a key distinction we have to make because SC2 isn't a team sport. By not fielding the good players, the coach/manager is showing he doesn't actually care about the game. In golf and tennis there really aren't any pointless games; the athletes are paid for any performances. Of course this is ignoring charity matches and the like...
Still not analogous. Ignoring several reasons that complicate the matter, what your statement is analogous to is Naniwa choosing a strategy that is not optimal but still trying to win with that tactic. Naniwa is not only the coach but the players too and the players try to win. They're just not the optimal players but still quite competent. And that can be seen by them even being on the team. That means that they are much better in their game than what the strategy Naniwa chose was and how he executed it.
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A re-match between Naniwa and Nestea, with Naniwa disrespecting Nestea by worker rushing him? Very disappointed with this kind of attitude.
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On December 14 2011 03:37 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:35 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 03:33 ishboh wrote:
in baseball, if the home team is leading at the end of the top of the 9th inning, they don't play the bottom of the 9th.
in basketball if a team is down 20 points with 10 seconds on the clock, they will often times not even try to steal the ball/foul to get the ball back.
naniwa forfeiting this game is completely inconsequential to everything in the tournament, why would ANYONE care? It has to deal with culture. Korean, and Asian culture in general, trying 100% all the time is a pretty big deal. To give up like Naniwa did, is a HUGE deal in korean culture. The reason this was blown out of proportion was because it was in Korea, and had a lot of Korean eyes on it. If this is was anywhere else this news wouldn't of been quite as big. Ok so it's a culture clash and there's really no point in attacking Naniwa then. People need to understand that not everyone in the world thinks the same way as they do. The west is a lot more individualistic -- there's a reason it birthed the ideas of democracy and capitalism. It sucks what happened, but like I've already said countless times, if you do not give someone any incentive to try you cannot reasonably expect them to try. If you do, you're being naive.
He does have incentives to try, but he's too short-sighted to see it. The main one would be not getting banned from GSL.
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On December 14 2011 03:38 JackDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:31 hmunkey wrote:On December 14 2011 03:29 Integra wrote:On December 14 2011 03:16 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 03:11 travis wrote:
It's a spectator sport. You never see teams or players go out and then stand there doing nothing in other sports because "the game doesn't matter". If they did then the crowd would boo, and there would be repercussions. Teams do that all the time. The crowd doesn't boo, they just leave the stadium or don't even buy tickets in the first place. The whole reason teams aren't trying is because there are no repercussions. You just don't hear about it because traditional sports audiences are mature enough to understand the point of competition. You never hear about this in traditional sports because it never happens I've never seen or even heard of a professional game televised or a stadium with a crowd where the players shows up and then just walks around with the ball instead of running etc. Yeah you're right, the bad players show up and play while the good players sit on the side all game. Big difference right? Yes it is a big difference. They actually get a game from it that way. sure maybe not your favorit top players but even the bad players on a team is actually good. And I imagine that the other teams also don't play with their best players wither, leveling the player field. For naniwa to probe rush is like they bring out their best players but they just lay down and sleep through the match, or just sit in a corner.
Um...
That IS what happens. The best players just sit on the bench without wearing their full uniforms and just watch the game. It's pretty likely they didn't even practice for the game and it doesn't matter because they don't stand up at all except to go piss. So I guess technically they're not sleeping, but they're not doing anything positive either.
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On December 14 2011 03:41 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:39 bigbeau wrote:On December 14 2011 03:36 Subversive wrote:On December 14 2011 03:33 hmunkey wrote:On December 14 2011 03:31 Subversive wrote:On December 14 2011 03:29 Integra wrote:On December 14 2011 03:16 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 03:11 travis wrote:
It's a spectator sport. You never see teams or players go out and then stand there doing nothing in other sports because "the game doesn't matter". If they did then the crowd would boo, and there would be repercussions. Teams do that all the time. The crowd doesn't boo, they just leave the stadium or don't even buy tickets in the first place. The whole reason teams aren't trying is because there are no repercussions. You just don't hear about it because traditional sports audiences are mature enough to understand the point of competition. You never hear about this in traditional sports because it never happens I've never seen or even heard of a professional game televised or a stadium with a crowd where the players shows up and then just walks around with the ball instead of running etc. Yeah its ridiculous. And people saying that it's comparable to b-teamers playing are flat-out wrong. The B-teamers play, that's the point. They try really hard. No one is angry that Naniway didn't try his best. We're angry he didn't try at all. For the last time, you are comparing team sports to an individual competition like SC2. Look at the coach, not the individual players. When a coach fields a team of only 3rd string players, he is not trying to win in the slightest. Normally it would be a stupid strategy to send out only your bad players, but if the results don't matter there's no point in trying. That's what Nani did. He sent his probes to go fight despite it being a stupid strategy because it didn't matter. That's it. No, if the coach and the team walked out, then didn't try and defend at all and then left after 20 minutes, THAT'S what Nani did. And people would be pissed. Even if it's just for the fans and appearances, people have standards. That's it. Are you ill? You can't walk out on a basketball game. You can gg at any point in a SC2 game. Basketballs victory is based on points gained over time. SC2s victory is based on who forfeits first or whose buildings die first. You forfeit when you know that your buildings will die first. Your comparison sucks. Your point is spurious. Joining and immediately leaving a game is not playing it. It's the same as forfeiting. If a team did that, it isn't the same as playing a proper game.
Has a worker rush everworked? Yes. It wouldve beaten a 6 pool. Has joining and immediately leaving a game ever resulted in a win? No. So he did a strategy that couldve worked.
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On December 14 2011 03:39 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:37 theBusiness wrote:On December 14 2011 03:29 Integra wrote:On December 14 2011 03:16 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 03:11 travis wrote:
It's a spectator sport. You never see teams or players go out and then stand there doing nothing in other sports because "the game doesn't matter". If they did then the crowd would boo, and there would be repercussions. Teams do that all the time. The crowd doesn't boo, they just leave the stadium or don't even buy tickets in the first place. The whole reason teams aren't trying is because there are no repercussions. You just don't hear about it because traditional sports audiences are mature enough to understand the point of competition. You never hear about this in traditional sports because it never happens I've never seen or even heard of a professional game televised or a stadium with a crowd where the players shows up and then just walks around with the ball instead of running etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Germany_v_Austria_(1982) Thank you for proving my point
For 80 minutes of the game they just walked around with the ball basically, which is what you said never happens. Those teams were even "heated rivals."
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why did i have to fall asleep?
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On December 14 2011 03:42 The_LiNk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:37 hmunkey wrote:On December 14 2011 03:35 wei2coolman wrote:On December 14 2011 03:33 ishboh wrote:
in baseball, if the home team is leading at the end of the top of the 9th inning, they don't play the bottom of the 9th.
in basketball if a team is down 20 points with 10 seconds on the clock, they will often times not even try to steal the ball/foul to get the ball back.
naniwa forfeiting this game is completely inconsequential to everything in the tournament, why would ANYONE care? It has to deal with culture. Korean, and Asian culture in general, trying 100% all the time is a pretty big deal. To give up like Naniwa did, is a HUGE deal in korean culture. The reason this was blown out of proportion was because it was in Korea, and had a lot of Korean eyes on it. If this is was anywhere else this news wouldn't of been quite as big. Ok so it's a culture clash and there's really no point in attacking Naniwa then. People need to understand that not everyone in the world thinks the same way as they do. The west is a lot more individualistic -- there's a reason it birthed the ideas of democracy and capitalism. It sucks what happened, but like I've already said countless times, if you do not give someone any incentive to try you cannot reasonably expect them to try. If you do, you're being naive. He does have incentives to try, but he's too short-sighted to see it. The main one would be not getting banned from GSL.
It wasn't a GSL rule that you had to try your best in each game. If it was, half of seasons one and two wouldn't exist and I have no idea how you'd address any of the ridiculous all-ins top players pull all the time. Should July be banned for 6 pooling?
I guarantee you if it was a GSL rule Nani would've covered up the fact that he didn't give a shit like pretty much every other player does. Tyler and Huk already confirmed that not giving a shit is standard.
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On December 14 2011 03:43 bigbeau wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:41 Subversive wrote:On December 14 2011 03:39 bigbeau wrote:On December 14 2011 03:36 Subversive wrote:On December 14 2011 03:33 hmunkey wrote:On December 14 2011 03:31 Subversive wrote:On December 14 2011 03:29 Integra wrote:On December 14 2011 03:16 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 03:11 travis wrote:
It's a spectator sport. You never see teams or players go out and then stand there doing nothing in other sports because "the game doesn't matter". If they did then the crowd would boo, and there would be repercussions. Teams do that all the time. The crowd doesn't boo, they just leave the stadium or don't even buy tickets in the first place. The whole reason teams aren't trying is because there are no repercussions. You just don't hear about it because traditional sports audiences are mature enough to understand the point of competition. You never hear about this in traditional sports because it never happens I've never seen or even heard of a professional game televised or a stadium with a crowd where the players shows up and then just walks around with the ball instead of running etc. Yeah its ridiculous. And people saying that it's comparable to b-teamers playing are flat-out wrong. The B-teamers play, that's the point. They try really hard. No one is angry that Naniway didn't try his best. We're angry he didn't try at all. For the last time, you are comparing team sports to an individual competition like SC2. Look at the coach, not the individual players. When a coach fields a team of only 3rd string players, he is not trying to win in the slightest. Normally it would be a stupid strategy to send out only your bad players, but if the results don't matter there's no point in trying. That's what Nani did. He sent his probes to go fight despite it being a stupid strategy because it didn't matter. That's it. No, if the coach and the team walked out, then didn't try and defend at all and then left after 20 minutes, THAT'S what Nani did. And people would be pissed. Even if it's just for the fans and appearances, people have standards. That's it. Are you ill? You can't walk out on a basketball game. You can gg at any point in a SC2 game. Basketballs victory is based on points gained over time. SC2s victory is based on who forfeits first or whose buildings die first. You forfeit when you know that your buildings will die first. Your comparison sucks. Your point is spurious. Joining and immediately leaving a game is not playing it. It's the same as forfeiting. If a team did that, it isn't the same as playing a proper game. Has a worker rush everworked? Yes. It wouldve beaten a 6 pool. Has joining and immediately leaving a game ever resulted in a win? No. So he did a strategy that couldve worked.
I can't bring myself to argue that anyone would ever worker rush in case their opponent is 6-pooling. If that's what you're left with to argue, gratz, I feel I've won.
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The thing is the players don't always compete up to the standards their fans expect for whatever reason.
When a team is so beaten-up and out sometimes they flat-out give up and have no momentum. You bought a ticket to the party and you boo your displeasure at the product. That's all you can do.
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Hmmmm
In the Team Ace GOMTV Invitational Group C DongRaeGu and Leenock did not play their game because it wouldn't effect the overall results on who advances or not.
In many Korean weeklys when you see two teammates matched up against each other one of them forfeits, but when Coca throws a game he gets yelled at.
Also Cella didn't try his hardest in the code A qualifiers....
There are many more examples like this.
Naniwa throwing the game isn't something to get crazy over and people are making a big deal out of something stupid, but also he should respect what is acceptable in these tournaments. Wether it's stupid or not to have to throw a game a certain way (2gate proxing is alright and so is forfeiting) he should just go along with it considering his background of BM. I agree it's kind of stupid how some things are acceptable and other very similar things aren't, but Naniwa should really just go along with it because he is just pissing people off for no reason. It's more about respecting the tournament and doing what is acceptable by their standards... I guess...
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On December 14 2011 03:46 StarStruck wrote:
The thing is the players don't always compete up to the standards their fans expect for whatever reason.
When a team is so beaten-up and out sometimes they flat-out give up and have no momentum. You bought a ticket to the party and you boo your displeasure at the product. That's all you can do.
And then a bunch of people tell you it's wrong to boo ^^ and everyone knows the game didn't matter and...
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On December 14 2011 03:45 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 03:43 bigbeau wrote:On December 14 2011 03:41 Subversive wrote:On December 14 2011 03:39 bigbeau wrote:On December 14 2011 03:36 Subversive wrote:On December 14 2011 03:33 hmunkey wrote:On December 14 2011 03:31 Subversive wrote:On December 14 2011 03:29 Integra wrote:On December 14 2011 03:16 Klondikebar wrote:On December 14 2011 03:11 travis wrote:
It's a spectator sport. You never see teams or players go out and then stand there doing nothing in other sports because "the game doesn't matter". If they did then the crowd would boo, and there would be repercussions. Teams do that all the time. The crowd doesn't boo, they just leave the stadium or don't even buy tickets in the first place. The whole reason teams aren't trying is because there are no repercussions. You just don't hear about it because traditional sports audiences are mature enough to understand the point of competition. You never hear about this in traditional sports because it never happens I've never seen or even heard of a professional game televised or a stadium with a crowd where the players shows up and then just walks around with the ball instead of running etc. Yeah its ridiculous. And people saying that it's comparable to b-teamers playing are flat-out wrong. The B-teamers play, that's the point. They try really hard. No one is angry that Naniway didn't try his best. We're angry he didn't try at all. For the last time, you are comparing team sports to an individual competition like SC2. Look at the coach, not the individual players. When a coach fields a team of only 3rd string players, he is not trying to win in the slightest. Normally it would be a stupid strategy to send out only your bad players, but if the results don't matter there's no point in trying. That's what Nani did. He sent his probes to go fight despite it being a stupid strategy because it didn't matter. That's it. No, if the coach and the team walked out, then didn't try and defend at all and then left after 20 minutes, THAT'S what Nani did. And people would be pissed. Even if it's just for the fans and appearances, people have standards. That's it. Are you ill? You can't walk out on a basketball game. You can gg at any point in a SC2 game. Basketballs victory is based on points gained over time. SC2s victory is based on who forfeits first or whose buildings die first. You forfeit when you know that your buildings will die first. Your comparison sucks. Your point is spurious. Joining and immediately leaving a game is not playing it. It's the same as forfeiting. If a team did that, it isn't the same as playing a proper game. Has a worker rush everworked? Yes. It wouldve beaten a 6 pool. Has joining and immediately leaving a game ever resulted in a win? No. So he did a strategy that couldve worked. I can't bring myself to argue that anyone would ever worker rush in case their opponent is 6-pooling. If that's what you're left with to argue, gratz, I feel I've won.
Hey man Nestea could've been worker rushing too, and then it would have been the MOST EPIC MICRO GAME EVER
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