• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:26
CEST 17:26
KST 00:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou21Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four3BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET7Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO85.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)81
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou The New Patch Killed Mech! Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)
Tourneys
Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle RSL Season 3 Qualifier Links and Dates $1,200 WardiTV October (Oct 21st-31st) SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers
Brood War
General
Is there anyway to get a private coach? BW General Discussion OGN to release AI-upscaled StarLeague from Feb 24 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's Awful Building Placements vs barracks
Tourneys
ASL final tickets help [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Semifinal B 300$ 3D!Community Brood War Super Cup #4
Strategy
[I] TvP Marine Usage TvP Upgrades Relatively freeroll strategies [I] Funny Protoss Builds/Strategies
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Benefits Of Limited Comm…
TrAiDoS
Sabrina was soooo lame on S…
Peanutsc
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Certified Crazy
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1545 users

NaNi vs NesTea (SPOILERS) - Page 35

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 33 34 35 36 37 83 Next
Please keep this thread on topic. It's ok to discuss the professionalism of what happened, but don't turn this thread into personal attacks or it will be closed.
zidaneshead
Profile Joined November 2010
245 Posts
December 13 2011 15:04 GMT
#681
On December 13 2011 23:58 grobo wrote:
From his interview with TL after the games:

"People are just hating because it's me who did it."
-Naniwa

Sooo, soo true.


That's an absolute cop-out response. I like Naniwa as a player, I loved his MLG run, and find what he did today to be completely out of line.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
December 13 2011 15:05 GMT
#682
I personally don't really care that Nani worker rushed the inconsequential game, but come on, if it's inconsequential, might as well make it interesting and fun for the people watching. Go for the Mothership...
Yargh
BronzeHero
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden105 Posts
December 13 2011 15:06 GMT
#683
I think naniwas move just strengthend his image as a bad bady, the fans he has expects drama like this from him.
He just does'nt give a shit =)
HyTex
Profile Joined August 2011
United States67 Posts
December 13 2011 15:06 GMT
#684
I feel bad that NaNiwa lost the first group round of the tournament. Must suck to be knocked out so quickly. Best of luck to him in the future. =(
Apolex
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada103 Posts
December 13 2011 15:08 GMT
#685
this is the difference between a REAL professional gamer ... and a little kid who practiced and got good at the game.
When you are on the world stage, there is a minimal requirement of how you should act and behave. Naniwa is obviously raised by parents who let him do whatever he wanted.

" O you got bad on the exams ? it's the teacher's fault anyways, we'll sue him for sexual harassment, no worries"

In Naniwa, we see what our future generations are turning into, this is a serious issue. The new generation of kids are very self-centered. They only care about themselves, they express whatever comes to their minds. They don't care about anything else because parents raised them that way. This is what happens when kids control their parents.
Jealousy is a sin.
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
December 13 2011 15:08 GMT
#686
On December 14 2011 00:01 Weemoed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:00 Squeegy wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:53 Weemoed wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:51 mEatBucket wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:50 Sneakyz wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:42 Treziel wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:39 sereniity wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:35 Treziel wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:22 Derez wrote:
The reasonable part of me would be happy if they booted him out of code S for this, the sadistic part of me wants him in there so I can see him get all-inned some more. Part of me makes me a bigger fan of all those players that do what they're supposed to.


Haha this is great, I was also hoping GOM would strip him of code S but actually now you've said it it would be better if they left him in so the Koreans can pick up their freewins (they only allin him every game because they know he isn't good enough to stop it), he can throw another rage tantrum and leave Korea shamed and 0-14 in GSL (I believe he is 0-12 or 0-10 now).


Wow... a big part of this community is fucking disgusting...


The total blind fanboy bias of anyone that defends these kind of actions is the only thing that is fucking disgusting here, mate. Just so you know, I'd say the same if we were talking about a British (my nationality) player like DeMuslim or BlinG had done this. Maybe open up your eyes and see past your nationalism.

If you express nationalism in sweden people view you as a racist


No they view you as a retard because odds is, you actually are.


> Thinking nationalism is retarded.

On December 13 2011 23:50 Giriath wrote:
I'd rather move on to the next match with something on the line than see two players half-ass in the middle of a serious tournament, because that's what happens when the format forces them to play with no chance of advancing.


This.


It is massive douchebaggery from Naniwa actually because he knew Nestea wanted a rematch. He knew there was a rivalry going on. He had taunted Nestea in the interviews. And now it was time for a rematch. But Naniwa lacked the balls because he was getting owned left and right and he had everything to lose by being defeated by Nestea. Are people blowing this out of proportion? Yes. Is Naniwa a douchebag? Yes. Are you a douchebag if you say you stand by his actions? Yes.

The game was very meaningful.


Read this:

Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction.


I would like to see the reasoning for why progamers should not try to win. But yes, of course he shouldn't reveal a set of secret strategies he had devised for this tournament's zerg players but he certainly owed Nestea a proper game.
Stan: Dude, dolphins are intelligent and friendly. Cartman: Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise.
Erionn
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1015 Posts
December 13 2011 15:09 GMT
#687
On December 14 2011 00:08 Apolex wrote:
this is the difference between a REAL professional gamer ... and a little kid who practiced and got good at the game.
When you are on the world stage, there is a minimal requirement of how you should act and behave. Naniwa is obviously raised by parents who let him do whatever he wanted.

" O you got bad on the exams ? it's the teacher's fault anyways, we'll sue him for sexual harassment, no worries"

In Naniwa, we see what our future generations are turning into, this is a serious issue. The new generation of kids are very self-centered. They only care about themselves, they express whatever comes to their minds. They don't care about anything else because parents raised them that way. This is what happens when kids control their parents.

Posts like this are what is ridiculous. You take things so far out of hand and out of line because someone didn't want to play a game that shouldn't have been played in the first place, after three awful defeats.

Makes me fucking sick.
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
December 13 2011 15:09 GMT
#688
On December 13 2011 23:58 grobo wrote:
From his interview with TL after the games:

"People are just hating because it's me who did it."
-Naniwa

Sooo, soo true.


This is not true. Granted, I don't really like Naniwa but I would be very disappointed if anyone did this, its childish and unprofessional. After all, being a progamer is his job and this is basically like quitting or saying that he didnt really feel like working that day..... Wish I could do that without ever getting in trouble....
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
December 13 2011 15:10 GMT
#689
On December 14 2011 00:00 zidaneshead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 23:55 Giriath wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:50 zidaneshead wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:47 HMzK wrote:
Every single nerd crying about this, are just selfish and they are killing esports. Gotta man up. One thumbs down from a swede and TL goes crazy. It is so retarded. Stop being selfish. The match was pointless for NANIWA, HE is what matters in the GSL not US, not FIRST however. SORRY.


You're giving us as fans way too little credit. If we weren't around to watch Naniwa play, what value would he as a skilled Starcraft 2 player have? If it wasn't our money paying to watch GOM or MLG, if it wasn't our eyes that were watching these games being played, then where does the money in this sport come from? Advertisers paying for their ads to be watched by no one? Nope. Tournaments being run when no one shows up to watch them? Nope. A video game being created if no one is going to buy them? Nope. We as fans are the backbone of e-sports, so yes, when I pay to watch someone play, I expect those players to give me respect in kind and put on a good match.


I don't think you'd enjoy a tournament where the pro players don't have anything to win, especially if they were all upset and not wanting to play; they wouldn't be good matches.

It's up to GOM to provide us with entertaining matches. Not the players.


They have money to win because WE make sure they have money to win by paying for their product. That money in turn goes to Naniwa's pocket. He gets sponsors, he gets tournament winnings, he gets money just for PARTICIPATING not only because he's good at the game, but because we're there to front the dough and give the game and the players that play them attention.

I partly agree that GOM needs to provide a tournament format that doesn't allow for these extra matches to be played, but Naniwa, as a so-called Professional, has an obligation no matter what the format is. Instead of throwing matches, or complaining that a tournament is "a joke" in MLG's case, he should be playing with as much effort as he can. If that leads to a bad match, so be it.


Tournaments and the livelihood of E-Sports professional play exists because there are fans, yes, but there would be no tournaments or E-Sports if the players did not get some form (or at least the chance of) compensation for their public matches, because all matches would be bad.

I would argue that NaNiWa actually did good, deciding not to play at all instead of playing a bad match. If he asked to forfeit the match beforehand, then it is even more GOM's fault for focing players to play matches they have no motivation to play.
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 13 2011 15:10 GMT
#690
On December 13 2011 23:56 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 23:42 Treziel wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:39 sereniity wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:35 Treziel wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:22 Derez wrote:
The reasonable part of me would be happy if they booted him out of code S for this, the sadistic part of me wants him in there so I can see him get all-inned some more. Part of me makes me a bigger fan of all those players that do what they're supposed to.


Haha this is great, I was also hoping GOM would strip him of code S but actually now you've said it it would be better if they left him in so the Koreans can pick up their freewins (they only allin him every game because they know he isn't good enough to stop it), he can throw another rage tantrum and leave Korea shamed and 0-14 in GSL (I believe he is 0-12 or 0-10 now).


Wow... a big part of this community is fucking disgusting...


The total blind fanboy bias of anyone that defends these kind of actions is the only thing that is fucking disgusting here, mate. Just so you know, I'd say the same if we were talking about a British (my nationality) player like DeMuslim or BlinG had done this. Maybe open up your eyes and see past your nationalism.


'Fucking disgusting'? Naniwa did a silly childish thing but all it is is impolite and inconsiderate; it's not the end of the world. Why the fuck would GOM strip him of Code S for one childish incident?
Naniwa acts like a dick a fair amount of the time, but he's made it clear repeatedly that he cares only about winning. I can respect that, even if he has his glaring flaws.

Still a fan.


Oh and by the way claiming Naniwa is a bad player is just ridiculous; how can you possibly say that with any sincerity? Even just looking at today, every other game he lost was by a hair, against top top calibre players.
arChieSC2
Profile Joined December 2010
Spain162 Posts
December 13 2011 15:10 GMT
#691
On December 14 2011 00:08 Apolex wrote:
this is the difference between a REAL professional gamer ... and a little kid who practiced and got good at the game.
When you are on the world stage, there is a minimal requirement of how you should act and behave. Naniwa is obviously raised by parents who let him do whatever he wanted.

" O you got bad on the exams ? it's the teacher's fault anyways, we'll sue him for sexual harassment, no worries"

In Naniwa, we see what our future generations are turning into, this is a serious issue. The new generation of kids are very self-centered. They only care about themselves, they express whatever comes to their minds. They don't care about anything else because parents raised them that way. This is what happens when kids control their parents.

So you sir know nani's life to the fullest right? oh god.... how can u writte that...?!?!
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
December 13 2011 15:10 GMT
#692
On December 14 2011 00:09 CaptainCrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 23:58 grobo wrote:
From his interview with TL after the games:

"People are just hating because it's me who did it."
-Naniwa

Sooo, soo true.


This is not true. Granted, I don't really like Naniwa but I would be very disappointed if anyone did this, its childish and unprofessional. After all, being a progamer is his job and this is basically like quitting or saying that he didnt really feel like working that day..... Wish I could do that without ever getting in trouble....


Another perspective to look at that statement would be that not many but Naniwa would do this.
Stan: Dude, dolphins are intelligent and friendly. Cartman: Intelligent and friendly on rye bread with some mayonnaise.
dream-_-
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1857 Posts
December 13 2011 15:11 GMT
#693
How bout this, dont create tourney formats that make players auto play against someone even if both players hopes are gone. That is ASKING for this to happen.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 13 2011 15:11 GMT
#694
I can't help feeling Naniwa is just not very clever. If he didn't want to play the game he could have done a quick 4gate not succeed and then quit. No one would be raging. Instead he takes it to the absolute extreme and wonders why people rage.
CaptainCrush
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States785 Posts
December 13 2011 15:11 GMT
#695
On December 14 2011 00:09 Erionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:08 Apolex wrote:
this is the difference between a REAL professional gamer ... and a little kid who practiced and got good at the game.
When you are on the world stage, there is a minimal requirement of how you should act and behave. Naniwa is obviously raised by parents who let him do whatever he wanted.

" O you got bad on the exams ? it's the teacher's fault anyways, we'll sue him for sexual harassment, no worries"

In Naniwa, we see what our future generations are turning into, this is a serious issue. The new generation of kids are very self-centered. They only care about themselves, they express whatever comes to their minds. They don't care about anything else because parents raised them that way. This is what happens when kids control their parents.

Posts like this are what is ridiculous. You take things so far out of hand and out of line because someone didn't want to play a game that shouldn't have been played in the first place, after three awful defeats.

Makes me fucking sick.


LOL, he took things too far but you're the one who is 'fucking sick' over his comments??? ROFL!
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
December 13 2011 15:12 GMT
#696
On December 14 2011 00:08 Apolex wrote:
this is the difference between a REAL professional gamer ... and a little kid who practiced and got good at the game.
When you are on the world stage, there is a minimal requirement of how you should act and behave. Naniwa is obviously raised by parents who let him do whatever he wanted.

Actuyally he was kicked out from home at a very young age.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 13 2011 15:12 GMT
#697
On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction.


Fucking hell I love Nony.

I've said it before, as has Nani in his interview; neither player was going to try their best to win and therefore it's not a real competition and it's meaningless. Who wants to watch two players try half heartedly anyway?
Erionn
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1015 Posts
December 13 2011 15:12 GMT
#698
Greg Fields @idrajit 1 min
dont have meaningless matches if you want players to take them seriously.

Funny how all the pros have the same opinion on this matter, isn't it?
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
December 13 2011 15:13 GMT
#699
On December 14 2011 00:11 Numy wrote:
I can't help feeling Naniwa is just not very clever. If he didn't want to play the game he could have done a quick 4gate not succeed and then quit. No one would be raging. Instead he takes it to the absolute extreme and wonders why people rage.


Well, he probably has some form of raw intelligence (hard to be a good gamer without it), but anything regarding social conduct or how to behave seems to be completely lost on him. The guy is basically drama waiting to happen
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
December 13 2011 15:13 GMT
#700
On December 14 2011 00:09 CaptainCrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 23:58 grobo wrote:
From his interview with TL after the games:

"People are just hating because it's me who did it."
-Naniwa

Sooo, soo true.


This is not true. Granted, I don't really like Naniwa but I would be very disappointed if anyone did this, its childish and unprofessional. After all, being a progamer is his job and this is basically like quitting or saying that he didnt really feel like working that day..... Wish I could do that without ever getting in trouble....

Someone else doing this would indeed create a lot of dissapointment, but if it would create a reaction like this I'm not so certain of.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
Prev 1 33 34 35 36 37 83 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 34m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 514
MindelVK 12
ProTech2
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 38600
Bisu 7282
GuemChi 3716
Shuttle 966
EffOrt 611
Larva 411
firebathero 300
Mind 227
Hyun 223
Light 170
[ Show more ]
Rush 119
JYJ98
Sea.KH 78
Mong 63
zelot 54
Backho 49
Shinee 46
ToSsGirL 32
Terrorterran 18
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
Dota 2
Gorgc6086
qojqva2293
Dendi753
420jenkins286
syndereN183
League of Legends
Trikslyr37
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps685
Other Games
singsing2125
B2W.Neo568
Lowko472
Hui .374
Liquid`LucifroN269
Sick223
KnowMe204
mouzStarbuck148
ToD17
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL316
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 29
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 8
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 88
• Gemini_19 22
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1837
Upcoming Events
Online Event
34m
RSL Revival
10h 34m
RSL Revival
18h 34m
WardiTV Invitational
19h 34m
OSC
23h 34m
SKillous vs goblin
Spirit vs GgMaChine
ByuN vs MaxPax
Afreeca Starleague
1d 16h
Snow vs Soma
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 18h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 20h
CrankTV Team League
1d 21h
BASILISK vs Streamerzone
Team Liquid vs Shopify Rebellion
Team Vitality vs Team Falcon
RSL Revival
2 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.