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On December 13 2011 23:58 grobo wrote: From his interview with TL after the games:
"People are just hating because it's me who did it." -Naniwa
Sooo, soo true.
That's an absolute cop-out response. I like Naniwa as a player, I loved his MLG run, and find what he did today to be completely out of line.
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I personally don't really care that Nani worker rushed the inconsequential game, but come on, if it's inconsequential, might as well make it interesting and fun for the people watching. Go for the Mothership...
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I think naniwas move just strengthend his image as a bad bady, the fans he has expects drama like this from him. He just does'nt give a shit =)
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I feel bad that NaNiwa lost the first group round of the tournament. Must suck to be knocked out so quickly. Best of luck to him in the future. =(
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this is the difference between a REAL professional gamer ... and a little kid who practiced and got good at the game. When you are on the world stage, there is a minimal requirement of how you should act and behave. Naniwa is obviously raised by parents who let him do whatever he wanted.
" O you got bad on the exams ? it's the teacher's fault anyways, we'll sue him for sexual harassment, no worries"
In Naniwa, we see what our future generations are turning into, this is a serious issue. The new generation of kids are very self-centered. They only care about themselves, they express whatever comes to their minds. They don't care about anything else because parents raised them that way. This is what happens when kids control their parents.
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On December 14 2011 00:01 Weemoed wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:00 Squeegy wrote:On December 13 2011 23:53 Weemoed wrote:On December 13 2011 23:51 mEatBucket wrote:On December 13 2011 23:50 Sneakyz wrote:On December 13 2011 23:42 Treziel wrote:On December 13 2011 23:39 sereniity wrote:On December 13 2011 23:35 Treziel wrote:On December 13 2011 23:22 Derez wrote: The reasonable part of me would be happy if they booted him out of code S for this, the sadistic part of me wants him in there so I can see him get all-inned some more. Part of me makes me a bigger fan of all those players that do what they're supposed to. Haha this is great, I was also hoping GOM would strip him of code S but actually now you've said it it would be better if they left him in so the Koreans can pick up their freewins (they only allin him every game because they know he isn't good enough to stop it), he can throw another rage tantrum and leave Korea shamed and 0-14 in GSL (I believe he is 0-12 or 0-10 now). Wow... a big part of this community is fucking disgusting... The total blind fanboy bias of anyone that defends these kind of actions is the only thing that is fucking disgusting here, mate. Just so you know, I'd say the same if we were talking about a British (my nationality) player like DeMuslim or BlinG had done this. Maybe open up your eyes and see past your nationalism. If you express nationalism in sweden people view you as a racist  No they view you as a retard because odds is, you actually are. > Thinking nationalism is retarded. On December 13 2011 23:50 Giriath wrote: I'd rather move on to the next match with something on the line than see two players half-ass in the middle of a serious tournament, because that's what happens when the format forces them to play with no chance of advancing. This. It is massive douchebaggery from Naniwa actually because he knew Nestea wanted a rematch. He knew there was a rivalry going on. He had taunted Nestea in the interviews. And now it was time for a rematch. But Naniwa lacked the balls because he was getting owned left and right and he had everything to lose by being defeated by Nestea. Are people blowing this out of proportion? Yes. Is Naniwa a douchebag? Yes. Are you a douchebag if you say you stand by his actions? Yes. The game was very meaningful. Read this: Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote: The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction.
I would like to see the reasoning for why progamers should not try to win. But yes, of course he shouldn't reveal a set of secret strategies he had devised for this tournament's zerg players but he certainly owed Nestea a proper game.
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On December 14 2011 00:08 Apolex wrote: this is the difference between a REAL professional gamer ... and a little kid who practiced and got good at the game. When you are on the world stage, there is a minimal requirement of how you should act and behave. Naniwa is obviously raised by parents who let him do whatever he wanted.
" O you got bad on the exams ? it's the teacher's fault anyways, we'll sue him for sexual harassment, no worries"
In Naniwa, we see what our future generations are turning into, this is a serious issue. The new generation of kids are very self-centered. They only care about themselves, they express whatever comes to their minds. They don't care about anything else because parents raised them that way. This is what happens when kids control their parents. Posts like this are what is ridiculous. You take things so far out of hand and out of line because someone didn't want to play a game that shouldn't have been played in the first place, after three awful defeats.
Makes me fucking sick.
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On December 13 2011 23:58 grobo wrote: From his interview with TL after the games:
"People are just hating because it's me who did it." -Naniwa
Sooo, soo true.
This is not true. Granted, I don't really like Naniwa but I would be very disappointed if anyone did this, its childish and unprofessional. After all, being a progamer is his job and this is basically like quitting or saying that he didnt really feel like working that day..... Wish I could do that without ever getting in trouble....
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On December 14 2011 00:00 zidaneshead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:55 Giriath wrote:On December 13 2011 23:50 zidaneshead wrote:On December 13 2011 23:47 HMzK wrote: Every single nerd crying about this, are just selfish and they are killing esports. Gotta man up. One thumbs down from a swede and TL goes crazy. It is so retarded. Stop being selfish. The match was pointless for NANIWA, HE is what matters in the GSL not US, not FIRST however. SORRY. You're giving us as fans way too little credit. If we weren't around to watch Naniwa play, what value would he as a skilled Starcraft 2 player have? If it wasn't our money paying to watch GOM or MLG, if it wasn't our eyes that were watching these games being played, then where does the money in this sport come from? Advertisers paying for their ads to be watched by no one? Nope. Tournaments being run when no one shows up to watch them? Nope. A video game being created if no one is going to buy them? Nope. We as fans are the backbone of e-sports, so yes, when I pay to watch someone play, I expect those players to give me respect in kind and put on a good match. I don't think you'd enjoy a tournament where the pro players don't have anything to win, especially if they were all upset and not wanting to play; they wouldn't be good matches. It's up to GOM to provide us with entertaining matches. Not the players. They have money to win because WE make sure they have money to win by paying for their product. That money in turn goes to Naniwa's pocket. He gets sponsors, he gets tournament winnings, he gets money just for PARTICIPATING not only because he's good at the game, but because we're there to front the dough and give the game and the players that play them attention. I partly agree that GOM needs to provide a tournament format that doesn't allow for these extra matches to be played, but Naniwa, as a so-called Professional, has an obligation no matter what the format is. Instead of throwing matches, or complaining that a tournament is "a joke" in MLG's case, he should be playing with as much effort as he can. If that leads to a bad match, so be it.
Tournaments and the livelihood of E-Sports professional play exists because there are fans, yes, but there would be no tournaments or E-Sports if the players did not get some form (or at least the chance of) compensation for their public matches, because all matches would be bad.
I would argue that NaNiWa actually did good, deciding not to play at all instead of playing a bad match. If he asked to forfeit the match beforehand, then it is even more GOM's fault for focing players to play matches they have no motivation to play.
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On December 13 2011 23:56 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:42 Treziel wrote:On December 13 2011 23:39 sereniity wrote:On December 13 2011 23:35 Treziel wrote:On December 13 2011 23:22 Derez wrote: The reasonable part of me would be happy if they booted him out of code S for this, the sadistic part of me wants him in there so I can see him get all-inned some more. Part of me makes me a bigger fan of all those players that do what they're supposed to. Haha this is great, I was also hoping GOM would strip him of code S but actually now you've said it it would be better if they left him in so the Koreans can pick up their freewins (they only allin him every game because they know he isn't good enough to stop it), he can throw another rage tantrum and leave Korea shamed and 0-14 in GSL (I believe he is 0-12 or 0-10 now). Wow... a big part of this community is fucking disgusting... The total blind fanboy bias of anyone that defends these kind of actions is the only thing that is fucking disgusting here, mate. Just so you know, I'd say the same if we were talking about a British (my nationality) player like DeMuslim or BlinG had done this. Maybe open up your eyes and see past your nationalism. 'Fucking disgusting'? Naniwa did a silly childish thing but all it is is impolite and inconsiderate; it's not the end of the world. Why the fuck would GOM strip him of Code S for one childish incident? Naniwa acts like a dick a fair amount of the time, but he's made it clear repeatedly that he cares only about winning. I can respect that, even if he has his glaring flaws. Still a fan.
Oh and by the way claiming Naniwa is a bad player is just ridiculous; how can you possibly say that with any sincerity? Even just looking at today, every other game he lost was by a hair, against top top calibre players.
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On December 14 2011 00:08 Apolex wrote: this is the difference between a REAL professional gamer ... and a little kid who practiced and got good at the game. When you are on the world stage, there is a minimal requirement of how you should act and behave. Naniwa is obviously raised by parents who let him do whatever he wanted.
" O you got bad on the exams ? it's the teacher's fault anyways, we'll sue him for sexual harassment, no worries"
In Naniwa, we see what our future generations are turning into, this is a serious issue. The new generation of kids are very self-centered. They only care about themselves, they express whatever comes to their minds. They don't care about anything else because parents raised them that way. This is what happens when kids control their parents. So you sir know nani's life to the fullest right? oh god.... how can u writte that...?!?!
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On December 14 2011 00:09 CaptainCrush wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:58 grobo wrote: From his interview with TL after the games:
"People are just hating because it's me who did it." -Naniwa
Sooo, soo true. This is not true. Granted, I don't really like Naniwa but I would be very disappointed if anyone did this, its childish and unprofessional. After all, being a progamer is his job and this is basically like quitting or saying that he didnt really feel like working that day..... Wish I could do that without ever getting in trouble....
Another perspective to look at that statement would be that not many but Naniwa would do this.
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How bout this, dont create tourney formats that make players auto play against someone even if both players hopes are gone. That is ASKING for this to happen.
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I can't help feeling Naniwa is just not very clever. If he didn't want to play the game he could have done a quick 4gate not succeed and then quit. No one would be raging. Instead he takes it to the absolute extreme and wonders why people rage.
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On December 14 2011 00:09 Erionn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:08 Apolex wrote: this is the difference between a REAL professional gamer ... and a little kid who practiced and got good at the game. When you are on the world stage, there is a minimal requirement of how you should act and behave. Naniwa is obviously raised by parents who let him do whatever he wanted.
" O you got bad on the exams ? it's the teacher's fault anyways, we'll sue him for sexual harassment, no worries"
In Naniwa, we see what our future generations are turning into, this is a serious issue. The new generation of kids are very self-centered. They only care about themselves, they express whatever comes to their minds. They don't care about anything else because parents raised them that way. This is what happens when kids control their parents. Posts like this are what is ridiculous. You take things so far out of hand and out of line because someone didn't want to play a game that shouldn't have been played in the first place, after three awful defeats. Makes me fucking sick.
LOL, he took things too far but you're the one who is 'fucking sick' over his comments??? ROFL!
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On December 14 2011 00:08 Apolex wrote: this is the difference between a REAL professional gamer ... and a little kid who practiced and got good at the game. When you are on the world stage, there is a minimal requirement of how you should act and behave. Naniwa is obviously raised by parents who let him do whatever he wanted.
Actuyally he was kicked out from home at a very young age.
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On December 13 2011 23:26 Liquid`Tyler wrote: The people who bought the HD Pass knew the format of the tournament and knew that it allowed for inconsequential games. Without the incentive of winning a tournament, progamers should not try to win. No one is good enough to waste their best effort on inconsequential games, especially with how many major tournaments there are nowadays. Whatever the best strategy Naniwa had in mind for the game, he should not use it. What irrational people want and expect is for the players to put on a false show of a competition, where they both seem to be trying enough for viewers to successfully suspend their disbelief. Such people don't constitute a significant enough part of the community to justify this huge reaction.
Fucking hell I love Nony.
I've said it before, as has Nani in his interview; neither player was going to try their best to win and therefore it's not a real competition and it's meaningless. Who wants to watch two players try half heartedly anyway?
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Greg Fields @idrajit 1 min dont have meaningless matches if you want players to take them seriously.
Funny how all the pros have the same opinion on this matter, isn't it?
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On December 14 2011 00:11 Numy wrote: I can't help feeling Naniwa is just not very clever. If he didn't want to play the game he could have done a quick 4gate not succeed and then quit. No one would be raging. Instead he takes it to the absolute extreme and wonders why people rage.
Well, he probably has some form of raw intelligence (hard to be a good gamer without it), but anything regarding social conduct or how to behave seems to be completely lost on him. The guy is basically drama waiting to happen
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On December 14 2011 00:09 CaptainCrush wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:58 grobo wrote: From his interview with TL after the games:
"People are just hating because it's me who did it." -Naniwa
Sooo, soo true. This is not true. Granted, I don't really like Naniwa but I would be very disappointed if anyone did this, its childish and unprofessional. After all, being a progamer is his job and this is basically like quitting or saying that he didnt really feel like working that day..... Wish I could do that without ever getting in trouble.... Someone else doing this would indeed create a lot of dissapointment, but if it would create a reaction like this I'm not so certain of.
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