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On December 13 2011 23:47 IMPrime wrote:
One thing I'd like to know; how did the koreans react to the Coca incident? Were they completely outraged at Coca, or did they think taht Coca's punishment was too harsh?
All I know is that GOM/GSL did nothing against coca. It was SlayerS that forced there player to give up his Code S spot.
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On December 13 2011 23:47 PikaXchU wrote:
Guess you football fans would enjoy it if Manchester United or Chelsea or any other professional football club were to send their entire team to the other side of the pitch when they are down 0-6 and unable to win anymore. I don't know man, that sounds exactly like what's happening right here.
last time I cheked Nani doesnt take home 10k-200k a week home... At least compare it to some low league club :D
EDIT: ALSO HI TEEVVEZZZZZZZZZZZZZ?????????? He REFUSED to play. So yes the we are. Nani wasnt as bad as that MOFO :D TEVEZ fighting :D
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On December 13 2011 23:47 HMzK wrote:
Every single nerd crying about this, are just selfish and they are killing esports. Gotta man up. One thumbs down from a swede and TL goes crazy. It is so retarded. Stop being selfish. The match was pointless for NANIWA, HE is what matters in the GSL not US, not FIRST however. SORRY.
You're giving us as fans way too little credit. If we weren't around to watch Naniwa play, what value would he as a skilled Starcraft 2 player have? If it wasn't our money paying to watch GOM or MLG, if it wasn't our eyes that were watching these games being played, then where does the money in this sport come from? Advertisers paying for their ads to be watched by no one? Nope. Tournaments being run when no one shows up to watch them? Nope. A video game being created if no one is going to buy them? Nope. We as fans are the backbone of e-sports, so yes, when I pay to watch someone play, I expect those players to give me respect in kind and put on a good match.
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I'd rather move on to the next match with something on the line than see two players half-ass in the middle of a serious tournament, because that's what happens when the format forces them to play with no chance of advancing.
It's even worse when it happens and one player can advance while the other cannot.
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On December 13 2011 23:42 Treziel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:39 sereniity wrote:On December 13 2011 23:35 Treziel wrote:On December 13 2011 23:22 Derez wrote:
The reasonable part of me would be happy if they booted him out of code S for this, the sadistic part of me wants him in there so I can see him get all-inned some more. Part of me makes me a bigger fan of all those players that do what they're supposed to. Haha this is great, I was also hoping GOM would strip him of code S but actually now you've said it it would be better if they left him in so the Koreans can pick up their freewins (they only allin him every game because they know he isn't good enough to stop it), he can throw another rage tantrum and leave Korea shamed and 0-14 in GSL (I believe he is 0-12 or 0-10 now). Wow... a big part of this community is fucking disgusting... The total blind fanboy bias of anyone that defends these kind of actions is the only thing that is fucking disgusting here, mate. Just so you know, I'd say the same if we were talking about a British (my nationality) player like DeMuslim or BlinG had done this. Maybe open up your eyes and see past your nationalism.
If you express nationalism in sweden people view you as a racist 
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I totally understand Nani and would probably do the same, myself I'd rather go out and get drunk rather than play useless games at that point.
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On December 13 2011 23:50 Tommylew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:47 PikaXchU wrote:
Guess you football fans would enjoy it if Manchester United or Chelsea or any other professional football club were to send their entire team to the other side of the pitch when they are down 0-6 and unable to win anymore. I don't know man, that sounds exactly like what's happening right here. last time I cheked Nani doesnt take home 10k-200k a week home... At least compare it to some low league club :D
I don't think they started off with that salary initially too
I know the difference between Esports and football is kinda large, but in perspective, doesn't it seem similar?
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On December 13 2011 23:50 Sneakyz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:42 Treziel wrote:On December 13 2011 23:39 sereniity wrote:On December 13 2011 23:35 Treziel wrote:On December 13 2011 23:22 Derez wrote:
The reasonable part of me would be happy if they booted him out of code S for this, the sadistic part of me wants him in there so I can see him get all-inned some more. Part of me makes me a bigger fan of all those players that do what they're supposed to. Haha this is great, I was also hoping GOM would strip him of code S but actually now you've said it it would be better if they left him in so the Koreans can pick up their freewins (they only allin him every game because they know he isn't good enough to stop it), he can throw another rage tantrum and leave Korea shamed and 0-14 in GSL (I believe he is 0-12 or 0-10 now). Wow... a big part of this community is fucking disgusting... The total blind fanboy bias of anyone that defends these kind of actions is the only thing that is fucking disgusting here, mate. Just so you know, I'd say the same if we were talking about a British (my nationality) player like DeMuslim or BlinG had done this. Maybe open up your eyes and see past your nationalism. If you express nationalism in sweden people view you as a racist
No they view you as a retard because odds is, you actually are.
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I really don't like what Naniwa did, but I think that some people are overreacting
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On December 13 2011 23:50 johanreidel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:47 IMPrime wrote:
One thing I'd like to know; how did the koreans react to the Coca incident? Were they completely outraged at Coca, or did they think taht Coca's punishment was too harsh? All I know is that GOM/GSL did nothing against coca. It was SlayerS that forced there player to give up his Code S spot.
Well, if the korean community sympathized with Coca and are hating on Naniwa, then there's either a double standard going on or they are hating Naniwa because he "BM'd" Nestea, who is certainly popular in Korea (which is why I'd like to know, but thanks anyway).
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On December 13 2011 23:51 mEatBucket wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:50 Sneakyz wrote:On December 13 2011 23:42 Treziel wrote:On December 13 2011 23:39 sereniity wrote:On December 13 2011 23:35 Treziel wrote:On December 13 2011 23:22 Derez wrote:
The reasonable part of me would be happy if they booted him out of code S for this, the sadistic part of me wants him in there so I can see him get all-inned some more. Part of me makes me a bigger fan of all those players that do what they're supposed to. Haha this is great, I was also hoping GOM would strip him of code S but actually now you've said it it would be better if they left him in so the Koreans can pick up their freewins (they only allin him every game because they know he isn't good enough to stop it), he can throw another rage tantrum and leave Korea shamed and 0-14 in GSL (I believe he is 0-12 or 0-10 now). Wow... a big part of this community is fucking disgusting... The total blind fanboy bias of anyone that defends these kind of actions is the only thing that is fucking disgusting here, mate. Just so you know, I'd say the same if we were talking about a British (my nationality) player like DeMuslim or BlinG had done this. Maybe open up your eyes and see past your nationalism. If you express nationalism in sweden people view you as a racist No they view you as a retard because odds is, you actually are.
> Thinking nationalism is retarded.
On December 13 2011 23:50 Giriath wrote:
I'd rather move on to the next match with something on the line than see two players half-ass in the middle of a serious tournament, because that's what happens when the format forces them to play with no chance of advancing.
This.
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I'm thorn.. On one side I can understand that the fans, stream watchers etc. wants to see an exciting game between two top players with a grudge. However, on the other side the game had nothing at stake and both players had played poorly and didn´t win a single game until this point. A BO1 between two losers aren’t that exciting for me anyway. For those that want the grudge match, I think there will be better occasions and the game will be even better then due to this. Obviously dropping games on purpose is not a good thing but we have to realize that he did not break any official rules, perhaps some ethical or sportsmanship-related ones.
It would have been nice to see a long and intense game but we know Nani isn’t going to change his behavior and his just not that into playing poorly. Unfortunate for us who want to see close and exciting games but this will make a good story anyway. And at least the SOTG and other shows will have something to dwell on..
Edit: In short: Not optimal but I want lose any sleep over it.
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On December 13 2011 23:51 mEatBucket wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:50 Sneakyz wrote:On December 13 2011 23:42 Treziel wrote:On December 13 2011 23:39 sereniity wrote:On December 13 2011 23:35 Treziel wrote:On December 13 2011 23:22 Derez wrote:
The reasonable part of me would be happy if they booted him out of code S for this, the sadistic part of me wants him in there so I can see him get all-inned some more. Part of me makes me a bigger fan of all those players that do what they're supposed to. Haha this is great, I was also hoping GOM would strip him of code S but actually now you've said it it would be better if they left him in so the Koreans can pick up their freewins (they only allin him every game because they know he isn't good enough to stop it), he can throw another rage tantrum and leave Korea shamed and 0-14 in GSL (I believe he is 0-12 or 0-10 now). Wow... a big part of this community is fucking disgusting... The total blind fanboy bias of anyone that defends these kind of actions is the only thing that is fucking disgusting here, mate. Just so you know, I'd say the same if we were talking about a British (my nationality) player like DeMuslim or BlinG had done this. Maybe open up your eyes and see past your nationalism. If you express nationalism in sweden people view you as a racist No they view you as a retard because odds is, you actually are.
Thanks for proving my point I guess ^_^
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On December 13 2011 23:47 Tommylew wrote:
id laugh if Nestea cmae out with well I was going to proxy hatch him.... lol Hey, proxy hatch can be pretty powerful stuff ^^
Nestea however for a moment got close to another awesome feat which is - not defend, and let your drones die (the first died, before he even reacted in any way). Had he done that, he would have gained the upper hand in trolling. but now Naniwa feels like the winner in this very important grudge matter.
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On December 13 2011 23:47 PikaXchU wrote:
Guess you football fans would enjoy it if Manchester United or Chelsea or any other professional football club were to send their entire team to the other side of the pitch when they are down 0-6 and unable to win anymore. I don't know man, that sounds exactly like what's happening right here.
This is exactly what it is like. As a professional competitor, you're just making a mockery of your organization and sport if you do something like this. If you don't want to play, at least just forfeit the match. There's no point in being a child about it. You don't win every game and using the excuse of not being able to show a good game is just pathetic. Do you think that the Indianapolis Colts just don't try when they go out to play a team because they are already 0-13 or whatever? Naniwa's attitude is piss poor, especially of late. I am ashamed to have him as a foreigner representing on the grandest stage in Starcraft 2.
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On December 13 2011 23:52 IMPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:50 johanreidel wrote:On December 13 2011 23:47 IMPrime wrote:
One thing I'd like to know; how did the koreans react to the Coca incident? Were they completely outraged at Coca, or did they think taht Coca's punishment was too harsh? All I know is that GOM/GSL did nothing against coca. It was SlayerS that forced there player to give up his Code S spot. Well, if the korean community sympathized with Coca and are hating on Naniwa, then there's either a double standard going on or they are hating Naniwa because he "BM'd" Nestea, who is certainly popular in Korea (which is why I'd like to know, but thanks anyway).
Diamond was notified of their outrage minutes after the game was broadcasted. There is no double standard. Please do look up the thread.
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MC just unloaded some long tweets. I hope he's not mad, i love both my Brotoss gosus >_<
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On December 13 2011 23:51 PikaXchU wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:50 Tommylew wrote:On December 13 2011 23:47 PikaXchU wrote:
Guess you football fans would enjoy it if Manchester United or Chelsea or any other professional football club were to send their entire team to the other side of the pitch when they are down 0-6 and unable to win anymore. I don't know man, that sounds exactly like what's happening right here. last time I cheked Nani doesnt take home 10k-200k a week home... At least compare it to some low league club :D I don't think they started off with that salary initially too I know the difference between Esports and football is kinda large, but in perspective, doesn't it seem similar?
I don't think people understand that in sports back when there was no money these athletes were playing their asses off, hurting, working second jobs just to feed their families. As a Canadian, I can appreciate how hard it was to survive as a hockey player back when the NHL was just 6 teams and players were getting paid squat. Yet they weren't throwing games. They had to work their asses off, through injuries, through pain, through losses, or they were cut and their sources of income were gone. They absolutely threw their hearts into playing and through that they created fantastic stories, and through those fantastic stories they drew in more and more fans, and then through the fans came sponsors, advertisers, and before anyone knew it they were paying their athletes a million dollars just to play some sports with sticks and pucks.
If every professional gamer had that same kind of mentality who knows how far e-sports could go.
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On December 13 2011 23:50 zidaneshead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:47 HMzK wrote:
Every single nerd crying about this, are just selfish and they are killing esports. Gotta man up. One thumbs down from a swede and TL goes crazy. It is so retarded. Stop being selfish. The match was pointless for NANIWA, HE is what matters in the GSL not US, not FIRST however. SORRY. You're giving us as fans way too little credit. If we weren't around to watch Naniwa play, what value would he as a skilled Starcraft 2 player have? If it wasn't our money paying to watch GOM or MLG, if it wasn't our eyes that were watching these games being played, then where does the money in this sport come from? Advertisers paying for their ads to be watched by no one? Nope. Tournaments being run when no one shows up to watch them? Nope. A video game being created if no one is going to buy them? Nope. We as fans are the backbone of e-sports, so yes, when I pay to watch someone play, I expect those players to give me respect in kind and put on a good match.
I don't think you'd enjoy a tournament where the pro players don't have anything to win, especially if they were all upset and not wanting to play; they wouldn't be good matches.
It's up to GOM to provide us with entertaining matches. Not the players.
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Definitely wished he stayed and played. No excuse for not giving 100% all the time at that level in my opinion. :/
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