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On December 13 2011 23:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Sounds like Nani was afraid of getting stomped by Nestea, knowing Nestea wasn't playing at his best at Providence.
EDIT: And Nani also knew that he himself wasn't playing well after 3 losses, so he could avoid the shame of going 0-4 legit.
Doesn't look like Nestea was playing his best tonight either. 
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On December 13 2011 23:07 oban wrote:
The bullying towards Naniwa is disgusting. What a retarded, bandwagoning community this is. He threw a game that didn't mean anything. Get over it.
Pretty disgusting comment you made. We, the community, cares how our frontrunners act in korea. How the koreans think about the foreigners players as a whole. We want more foreigners in korea. Every step or actions affecting that relationship is important for the community - its something we care about.
Just by looking at the twitter responses by the korean players and teams - the foreign scene got mocked.
Personally, I don't give a shit about NaNiwa now because he doesn't care about the fans when he throws away games like that. I know the match didn't matter that much - in terms of going futher in the tournament. But he knows we want to see him play the 'grudge' match we learned to loved at MLG Providence - and still he couldn't care less about us, his team and their sponsors. And I don't understand why he wouldn't even use his perfect oppertunity to expose his team and himself as a code S contender.
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On December 13 2011 23:22 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:12 Gesh wrote:On December 13 2011 23:06 bluQ wrote:On December 13 2011 22:57 Nekovivie wrote:On December 13 2011 22:56 Gaxton wrote:
First of all, i agree that the match should never have been played in the first place. why? It would have decided who bottomed out the group. A classic pride match, football leagues, soccer leagues, all have these. Its normal. People are also paying money to see this. Erm, you cant compare soccer/football to eSports. Why? Because of three things. In Soccer EVERY place you finish gets rewarded somehow. The industry works completly different. It is a teamgame. Yes, it is not the same thing, but imagine the shit storm, when a team, last in its group in the champions league, decides to express its frustration in its last match by rushing to the opposing goalkeeper, kicking him a couple of times in the nuts and then leaving the stadium. And then the fans of the team blame the format of the champions league. What you are implying is that Naniwa went over to Nestea hit him couple of times and left the GOMStudio which never happend... But what happens in soccer is that teams play with a less "star"-setup in matches which don't matter that much. Is it disrespectful? Mabye. Is it understandable to do so. Yes.
No, Im implying that Naniwa didnt attack 'with his b-team' of probes and that pointing at 'playing with b-teams' is wrong argument. But if you want it this way - when Barcelona played with its b-team las t timein the champions league, they won 4-0 (or 1). I agree with your last point.
DISCLAIMER - Im not a barca fanboy, Im just pointing out that playing with B-team doesnt always matter.
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On December 13 2011 23:22 Spicy_Curry wrote:
would we call naniwa a genius if he probe rushed a 6 pool and won?
It's impossible dude.. you can just wait and run away till zerglings pop up.
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On December 13 2011 23:23 TheKefka wrote:And this is why I am a Tyler fan: Show nested quote +TylerWasieleski Tyler Wasieleski
People act like what Naniwa did is unprecedented. It's not. It's common. Naniwa just took it to the logical, non-deceptive extreme. Rationaltoss HWAITING!
Thank you very much for bringing reason into this "discussion" tyler.
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I don't mean to be that guy who compares eSports to regular sports, but in a game of baseball down 15-0, do you think the losing team will leave its starters in the game? Or a game of Basketball when a team is down 95-60 in the fourth quarter? It's not seen as "dogging it" or being a poor sport in professional sports when the game is out of reach to take the starters out of the game, essentially forfeiting due to such a large deficit. I see this situation more akin to those, rather than comparisons of players merely not trying because they're lazy or uninspired.
That being said, people pay to watch GomTV, and it stings for them to have had paid to watch that.
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He's not going to be invited to any more invitational tournaments, that's for sure. But as long as he qualifies for other tournaments I'm sure naniwa will be fine.
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Team MVP seriously hates Naniwa and it's not natural for a Korean team to be open about it...
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i dont really hit the point: does he qualified for the blizcup?yes. He s free t play how the fuck he wants? yes. why everyone complains??hes free to play the way he likes..even shitty. i strongly defend his freedom to decide what to do.
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There was nothing on stake, both were 0-3. Naniwa's decision was the only reasonable thing to do. Why are there 29 pages on this?
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On December 13 2011 23:15 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:13 StarStruck wrote:On December 13 2011 23:03 klo8 wrote:On December 13 2011 21:42 Lovedoll wrote:
Here's how I feel about the whole thing.
Naniwa was being a sore loser. Don't get me wrong, I understand the reasons why Naniwa did what he did. After losing three straight games he must be drained mentally as well as physically. He's already out of the tournament, so why bother taking what's basically an impromptu showmatch seriously? Naniwa sending out all his probes was his way of saying 'I really don't care'.
On the flip side of that, I really don't care if you're having a bad day, Naniwa. I was really looking forwards to the Nestea vs Naniwa grudge match after Naniwa had some choice words for him at MLG. But rather than engage in a rival competition, he'd rather throw the game.
In the long run of things, I don't really care which way the match would've gone. Naniwa sending out his probes was well worth the laugh. But in terms of handling things like a professional gamer, that was the most immature, jerk move he could have pulled. Well said. What he did was unprofessional and unnecessary. Everyone should be more like White-Ra or Sheth. That's all I have to say. Not everyone is White-Ra or Sheth and you are being absurd to think otherwise. There are many sore losers in sports. We have plenty of them in this very community. Children will be children, blah, blah, blah. As I said earlier, Johan doesn't care about the showmatch. He only cares about himself and winning the tournament. Obviously he couldn't win the tournament today so he bowed out in hilarious fashion. All the fans of e-sports wanted to see entertaining matches. NesTea versus Naniwa PLEASE! Goes back to what I said earlier about winning. Cannot win the tournament. Tough luck, we should expect this by now from certain players. Johan plays for himself, no one else. Same criteria when you see a player do an abusive build. They want to win. Johan flipped that notion in game 4 because nothing was on the line for him. He didn't want to play. He doesn't want NesTea to get an upper hand on him the next time they play. It was a total mind-game, don't want to be in the booth right now. Right now, Johan is totally in NesTea's head. This is a bunch of horse shit and you know it. Naniwa, in his childishness, inadvertently annoyed Nestea twice. In no way is it a premeditated move to get in Nestea's head.
No it isn't when you know every player has a different type of personality and temperament. It has more to do with that than anything else. We're not talking about professionalism. We're talking about the fact every player's background is different and you would be totally foolish to think otherwise! It goes above and beyond of being a professional athlete. That is why you cannot treat every case the same!
We have known what Johan was like since his WCIII days. We know what to expect. Any team getting involved with him should do their research prior and it really takes a skilled manager to approach him.
I never said it was a premeditated attack. He didn't do it on purpose. We're seeing the side-effects as we speak as NesTea is rightfully pissed off inadvertently!
Thus Naniwa is inside NesTea's head.
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On December 13 2011 23:27 namedplayer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:22 Spicy_Curry wrote:
would we call naniwa a genius if he probe rushed a 6 pool and won? It's impossible dude.. you can just wait and run away till zerglings pop up.
Not if you use the afk micro technique
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On December 13 2011 23:26 colate wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:07 oban wrote:
The bullying towards Naniwa is disgusting. What a retarded, bandwagoning community this is. He threw a game that didn't mean anything. Get over it.
Pretty disgusting comment you made. We, the community, cares how our frontrunners act in korea. How the koreans think about the foreigners players as a whole. We want more foreigners in korea. Every step or actions affecting that relationship is important for the community - its something we care about. Just by looking at the twitter responses by the korean players and teams - the foreign scene got mocked.
What irritates me is how people like you glorify the Koreans like they are the superior moral beings of this planet.
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On December 13 2011 23:24 Shardz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:22 Spicy_Curry wrote:
would we call naniwa a genius if he probe rushed a 6 pool and won? Pretty sure a 6 probe rush doesn't beat a six pool still lol
Especially when you have your hands off the keyboard like naniwa did.
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On December 13 2011 23:28 wklbishop wrote:
Team MVP seriously hates Naniwa and it's not natural for a Korean team to be open about it...
wonder why?
they doesnt have any intrest in the situation right?
"hint complexity sponsored"
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The thing is... its iffy. probe rushing definitely CAN win, if NeasTea microd really really bad. Its like doing a 2 proxy rax allin b/c you're mad. His reasoning was "FUCK IT LETS GO." I'm a naniwa fan, and taht game doesnt dissapoint me, although his tournament result does.
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On December 13 2011 23:22 bluQ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:12 Gesh wrote:On December 13 2011 23:06 bluQ wrote:On December 13 2011 22:57 Nekovivie wrote:On December 13 2011 22:56 Gaxton wrote:
First of all, i agree that the match should never have been played in the first place. why? It would have decided who bottomed out the group. A classic pride match, football leagues, soccer leagues, all have these. Its normal. People are also paying money to see this. Erm, you cant compare soccer/football to eSports. Why? Because of three things. In Soccer EVERY place you finish gets rewarded somehow. The industry works completly different. It is a teamgame. Yes, it is not the same thing, but imagine the shit storm, when a team, last in its group in the champions league, decides to express its frustration in its last match by rushing to the opposing goalkeeper, kicking him a couple of times in the nuts and then leaving the stadium. And then the fans of the team blame the format of the champions league. What you are implying is that Naniwa went over to Nestea hit him couple of times and left the GOMStudio which never happend... But what happens in soccer is that teams play with a less "star"-setup in matches which don't matter that much. Is it disrespectful? Mabye. Is it understandable to do so. Yes.
What Nani did was leaving the stadium right after they start the match.
What you're suggesting is using a different strategy that has less chance of working but still give it a try.
Im sure Nani had a funky strategy that could have been really interesting to see just to make people enjoy it.
Seeing a B team win over A team is always a great joy and really interesting to see.
He just leaved and spit in the face of everyone.
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On December 13 2011 23:29 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:26 colate wrote:On December 13 2011 23:07 oban wrote:
The bullying towards Naniwa is disgusting. What a retarded, bandwagoning community this is. He threw a game that didn't mean anything. Get over it.
Pretty disgusting comment you made. We, the community, cares how our frontrunners act in korea. How the koreans think about the foreigners players as a whole. We want more foreigners in korea. Every step or actions affecting that relationship is important for the community - its something we care about. Just by looking at the twitter responses by the korean players and teams - the foreign scene got mocked. What irritates me is how people like you glorify the Koreans like they are the superior moral beings of this planet.
No, they're just the superior Starcraft players, and that's the truth. I wonder why?
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On December 13 2011 23:28 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:27 bonifaceviii wrote:
He's not going to be invited to any more invitational tournaments, that's for sure. But as long as he qualifies for other tournaments I'm sure naniwa will be fine. He will be invited for the same reason idra is invited to many of them actually. They bring viewers.
Idra at least gets mad because he tries, which is exciting.
Giving up and boxing your probes is not equally as interesting as typing a string of expletives and leaving with no gg.
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