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Please keep this thread on topic. It's ok to discuss the professionalism of what happened, but don't turn this thread into personal attacks or it will be closed.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
December 13 2011 14:22 GMT
#561
--- Nuked ---
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 14:23:05
December 13 2011 14:22 GMT
#562
Asking for someone to play his ultimate best in a match that doesn't matter? Not reasonable.

Asking someone to stick around for another 20 minutes to do something that you do for 40 yours a week anyhow and in by doing so you support everything helping you get where you got? Suck it up, play a decentish game, or make it a weird, fun one, for all I care. It's the absolute least you can do and it's your job. Not to mention a terrible attitude to have.

This isn't some SC2 version of gossip girl. The reasonable part of me would be happy if they booted him out of code S for this, the sadistic part of me wants him in there so I can see him get all-inned some more. Part of me makes me a bigger fan of all those players that do what they're supposed to.
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
December 13 2011 14:22 GMT
#563
I would like to suggest that mods close this thread. No discussion is coming from it, it's mindless flame to a static topic.
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
December 13 2011 14:22 GMT
#564
Let Naniwa be Naniwa. All this politic correct crap about "a progamer shouldn't behave like that".

Unlike the random Korean guy that thanks his parents for all their support every interview, it's the Naniwa's and Idra's that bring some spice and drama to the community by being themself and show some personality
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 14:22:41
December 13 2011 14:22 GMT
#565
On December 13 2011 23:21 Doodsmack wrote:
Sounds like Nani was afraid of getting stomped by Nestea, knowing Nestea wasn't playing at his best at Providence.

Well that is certainly one way to look at it.
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
December 13 2011 14:22 GMT
#566
would we call naniwa a genius if he probe rushed a 6 pool and won?
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bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 14:22:54
December 13 2011 14:22 GMT
#567
On December 13 2011 23:12 Gesh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 23:06 bluQ wrote:
On December 13 2011 22:57 Nekovivie wrote:
On December 13 2011 22:56 Gaxton wrote:
First of all, i agree that the match should never have been played in the first place.


why?

It would have decided who bottomed out the group. A classic pride match, football leagues, soccer leagues, all have these. Its normal.

People are also paying money to see this.

Erm, you cant compare soccer/football to eSports.
Why? Because of three things.
In Soccer EVERY place you finish gets rewarded somehow.
The industry works completly different.
It is a teamgame.


Yes, it is not the same thing, but imagine the shit storm, when a team, last in its group in the champions league, decides to express its frustration in its last match by rushing to the opposing goalkeeper, kicking him a couple of times in the nuts and then leaving the stadium. And then the fans of the team blame the format of the champions league.

What you are implying is that Naniwa went over to Nestea hit him couple of times and left the GOMStudio which never happend...
But what happens in soccer is that teams play with a less "star"-setup in matches which don't matter that much. Is it disrespectful? Mabye. Is it understandable to do so. Yes.
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EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
December 13 2011 14:23 GMT
#568
On December 13 2011 23:21 zidaneshead wrote:
It's really interesting. The Koreans seem to be a lot more pissed about this than the foreign community. And people wonder why they're so much better at it than us? To them it's more than just a game, it IS a profession, and they expect their players to give it 100% in every match, the players also seem to hold themselves to the same expectation.

Meanwhile over here, it's "just a game", and is treated as such by a lot of fans and players alike. Yet people here really want to push SC2 and gaming into the mainstream without realizing that if they don't take it seriously, the public won't either.


I believe its all about the culture and respect
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 14:24:23
December 13 2011 14:23 GMT
#569
And this is why I am a Tyler fan:

TylerWasieleski Tyler Wasieleski
People act like what Naniwa did is unprecedented. It's not. It's common. Naniwa just took it to the logical, non-deceptive extreme.


Rationaltoss HWAITING!
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zidaneshead
Profile Joined November 2010
245 Posts
December 13 2011 14:23 GMT
#570
On December 13 2011 23:19 DrGreen wrote:
Things like that happen in every sport. Even worse, teams are throwing games to get 2nd place in groups to get easier opponent in ro16,
This match was meaningless and I'm glad that Naniwa didnt play it out. BO1 wouldnt settle anything.

Also sup twitter? suddenly 30 min silence after nani's tweets.

and:
"TylerWasieleski
People act like what Naniwa did is unprecedented. It's not. It's common. Naniwa just took it to the logical, non-deceptive extreme."


Look, Tyler is a great sc2 player, but he's not all-knowing when it comes to professional conduct and public perception. His opinion holds the same weight as everyone else's here.
Shardz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States349 Posts
December 13 2011 14:24 GMT
#571
On December 13 2011 23:22 Spicy_Curry wrote:
would we call naniwa a genius if he probe rushed a 6 pool and won?


Pretty sure a 6 probe rush doesn't beat a six pool still lol
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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
December 13 2011 14:24 GMT
#572
On December 13 2011 23:20 graan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 23:09 Vardant wrote:
On December 13 2011 23:07 Jibba wrote:
That rarely happens at all. What are you talking about? Players like TMac who admit to giving up get reamed for it.

Wasn't there a football match at Olympic games or WC or something, where both teams needed a tie to advance so they didn't play at all?

IIRC there was no punishment.


U mean the shame of gijon between germany and austria ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichtangriffspakt_von_Gijón

they even changed the system after that, huuuge scandal - nobody got banned though..


I personaly lost all respect for naniwa, which was left in the first place.
He should not get banned from gom, cause he did not break any set rules ( so i recall.. ).

Don't give yourself that much credit. Like most of those on this board, you think if the one being an asshole isn't Idra, then it's unacceptable. You didn't have a shred of respect for Naniwa before this.
.Mystic
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada486 Posts
December 13 2011 14:24 GMT
#573
Make a poll on this, would be interesting to see the results
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
December 13 2011 14:24 GMT
#574
On December 13 2011 21:54 Weemoed wrote:
Similar things have happened before earlier as well (including Stephano vs Brat_OK if I recall correctly, where both were trying as hard as possible to lose, IdrA forfeiting his matches against Nerchio, people forfeiting their consulation match at MLG) and there's never been much flack about it. In fact, people were heavily defending IdrA for his forfeit against Nerchio.

Now, lets face it, the game between Naniwa and Nestea was useless, both were at 0-3 and wouldn't advance, so why still care as a player. They play to win and to earn money, not to play useless games while you're very frustrated. In the end, a person plays money to see good games, not to see games in general. Watching Stephano vs Brat_OK was literally insulting, similar to IdrA's six pool against MC a while ago, so I see no difference to end it as soon as possible than to play it out while being uninterested.

In the end, it is also the fault of GOM.tv. I do find this Blizzard Cup not that great with BO1 matches which results in cheese or risky strategies and now losers-bracket and they could know that such situations could happen.

Was it mannered by Naniwa? No, but it was not a completely strange discision either. When you're actually training very hard (and not just sitting at home, eating and watching Starcraft 2) then you are stressed when you lose and absolutely not interested in playing useless matches when you really want to go away and get yourself together.


Don't forget this happened in team league too.

EG Master's cup Fnatic threw a match vs someone don't remember who by playing Xeris twice (regular game and then ace match) which eliminated sixjax from the tournament.
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Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
December 13 2011 14:24 GMT
#575
On December 13 2011 23:22 Spicy_Curry wrote:
would we call naniwa a genius if he probe rushed a 6 pool and won?

No people would call him an awful player and say he's afraid to play Nestea in a legit game. It's quite sad really.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
Skaminator
Profile Joined October 2011
112 Posts
December 13 2011 14:24 GMT
#576
There is no real need to bash at Nani. He already got in some troubles. Pissed off Quantic and GOM, prolly some of his fans as well.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
December 13 2011 14:24 GMT
#577
Why Naniwa!? Couldn't you realise that after all the drama around you that this was a bad idea?!

Man I'm amazed that Naniwa can't control himself, who cares if he was already out? This was really bad for his already ''bad'' reputation. And it might even punish his career if GOM decides to take actions....

Man... =/
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synaptik
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada644 Posts
December 13 2011 14:25 GMT
#578
I think the real winner of this match is complexity, who clearly dodged a time bomb

props to jason lake
Firesilver
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 14:26:36
December 13 2011 14:25 GMT
#579
On December 13 2011 23:23 zidaneshead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 23:19 DrGreen wrote:
Things like that happen in every sport. Even worse, teams are throwing games to get 2nd place in groups to get easier opponent in ro16,
This match was meaningless and I'm glad that Naniwa didnt play it out. BO1 wouldnt settle anything.

Also sup twitter? suddenly 30 min silence after nani's tweets.

and:
"TylerWasieleski
People act like what Naniwa did is unprecedented. It's not. It's common. Naniwa just took it to the logical, non-deceptive extreme."


Look, Tyler is a great sc2 player, but he's not all-knowing when it comes to professional conduct and public perception. His opinion holds the same weight as everyone else's here.


I think he was just trying to point out that the ripples are being felt among some pro gamers (that were not directly involved) aswell.

But personally, I'm on the fence really. I can see valid points from both sides here and it's all down to morals and such, but in the end, both sides have good points.
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djfoxmccloud
Profile Joined July 2011
France185 Posts
December 13 2011 14:25 GMT
#580
On December 13 2011 23:13 dafunk wrote:
I love how people want eSport to be professional yet when we compare it with sport in terms of mentality and how to approach it, they instantly say its just a game and not a sport.

It's EXACTLY like a sport.
EXACTLY like a soccer team that dont show up because they are eliminated.

Theres PEOPLE that PAID to get into the stadium, they trhew their own MONEY to support the organisation, to pay the players via prizepool, to be ENTERTAINED.

They arnt only getting paid to play. They are getting paid to put up a SHOW, as much as a tennisman is getting paid to play EVERY game even when they are eliminated.

They OWE people ENTERTAINEMENT, because WE PAID for it.

Is that clear enough ? How could you not find it enraging ?
This guy should be banned. You have to put a line in the sand and say STOP, you cant go this way and we will not tolerate people that arnt playing AT LEAST to put up a show.
He could have gone carriers, DT, play a fun match and maybe nestea would have follow into it and try to play a fun match too. I would have been happy, I would have payed for SOMETHING.


Did you pay for the whole blizzard cup or just Nani vs Nestea ?

I hope thatyou got my point and see that your comparison is irrelevant.
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