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On December 13 2011 23:14 Aldehyde wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:10 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 13 2011 23:09 Vardant wrote:On December 13 2011 23:07 Jibba wrote:
That rarely happens at all. What are you talking about? Players like TMac who admit to giving up get reamed for it. Wasn't there a football match at Olympic games or WC or something, where both teams needed a tie to advance so they didn't play at all? IIRC there was no punishment. Exceptions exist. The obvious point is that in general, you get fucking castigated for pulling shit like Naniwa in competitive arenas. And this isn't an exception? Are a lot of other players doing this as well? Haven't seen it myself. Haven't actually seen something quite like this happen at all.
It's quite common yes, but mostly it's in tournaments with several games rolling at the same time so they don't cast pointless games.
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lets be honest nestea would have cheesed as well, not as early but probably soonish. The game was destined to look that way. Thats how group stages work, there are awesome tie situation between the winners, but at the end loosers will have nothing to gain and you see it in their play always.
Especially who doesn't expect Nani do to something like that, need to do some more research on him.
PS: worker rush is still more entertaining then building up and gging before a single shot is fired ^^;
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On December 13 2011 23:07 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:05 shortsteve wrote:
I honestly have no issues with Naniwa throwing away the game. You see it all the time in real sports. If anything he did us all a favor and ended a game quickly where both sides were probably not in a competitive mood.
There are so many examples in basketball why teams throw games or make a mockery of the game. Teams who have no chance in making the playoffs suddenly have their star player "injured" and they pretty much purposely lose to get a better seeding in the draft. Similarly on the flip side when a team is already guaranteed a high playoff spot you see them not play their starters in order to rest them for later. All of these actions are bad for the fans, but are done anyways. That rarely happens at all. What are you talking about? Players like TMac who admit to giving up get reamed for it.
I have no evidence of this but the amount of game throwing the year Lebron was in the draft was staggering I'm sure.
People actually openly talked about Cleveland making a run for that last place and first lottery pick.
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On December 13 2011 23:15 shortsteve wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:07 Jibba wrote:On December 13 2011 23:05 shortsteve wrote:
I honestly have no issues with Naniwa throwing away the game. You see it all the time in real sports. If anything he did us all a favor and ended a game quickly where both sides were probably not in a competitive mood.
There are so many examples in basketball why teams throw games or make a mockery of the game. Teams who have no chance in making the playoffs suddenly have their star player "injured" and they pretty much purposely lose to get a better seeding in the draft. Similarly on the flip side when a team is already guaranteed a high playoff spot you see them not play their starters in order to rest them for later. All of these actions are bad for the fans, but are done anyways. That rarely happens at all. What are you talking about? Players like TMac who admit to giving up get reamed for it. The Celtics openly admitted they were tanking their season for a higher draft seed. They got punished with a fine for openly saying it, but it didn't stop them from doing it. To most players and teams once the playoffs are no longer in reach they pretty much have no motivation to really continue playing. Teams will usually put their star players on the injured list so that they won't risk injury in pointless matches. It doesn't just happen in basketball. it happens in pretty much all sports. Do you really think the Raiders are trying to play a competitive game?
The Celtics with Antoine Walker, one of the most pathetic, laziest players in NBA history?
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Where dat snitch at?37048 Posts
NaNiwa angered Koreans.
NaNiwa now has to show Koreans what he's made of because he angered them.
GL NaNiwa.
I don't think a discussion is going to be good. We may end up with ppl flaming each other :/
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I don't understand why an apology suddenly makes everything all better. Fans were looking forward to the game, people were hyping the game, and then...*crickets*.
How many more times is he going to be allowed to do whatever he wants? His rude behaviour @ Providence was because of frustration and attempts to hype the game? Throwing this game was because it didn't matter? How many more excuses can he pull off and how many more times can he say sorry to this, sorry to that?
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When Naniwa accepted to compete in this tournament, he automatically accepted the format which, I agree with some people, is flawed. Still, the point is that you can't accept to fight for the money and glory and then horse kick the organisers in the teeth because you failed to qualify. It's common sense.
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Things like that happen in every sport. Even worse, teams are throwing games to get 2nd place in groups to get easier opponent in ro16,
This match was meaningless and I'm glad that Naniwa didnt play it out. BO1 wouldnt settle anything.
Also sup twitter? suddenly 30 min silence after nani's tweets.
and:
"TylerWasieleski
People act like what Naniwa did is unprecedented. It's not. It's common. Naniwa just took it to the logical, non-deceptive extreme."
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On December 13 2011 23:05 Tulkas25 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:02 zedi wrote:On December 13 2011 22:59 Stonedviper wrote:
Every race needs an idra player and NaNi is the protoss version...lol IdrA has common sense and doesn't pull off bullshit like this. Idra didnt play the rest of his group matches in IPL3 to get rest for the next day..he didnt play his - 7-8th place matches in mlg.6 pooled jinro at jungle basin forfeited his codeS spot at round of 4...what are u talking about 
I am sure Nazgul and all the others that are saying negative things about todays game where even more outraged when Idra didn't even show up for the games at IPL. Sure that must be worse then a proberush?
P.S. You forgot when Idra didn't come to the second game in the qualifier against Nerchio aften beeing crushed... 
edit: typo
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On December 13 2011 23:13 dafunk wrote:
I love how people want eSport to be professional yet when we compare it with sport in terms of mentality and how to approach it, they instantly say its just a game and not a sport.
It's EXACTLY like a sport.
EXACTLY like a soccer team that dont show up because they are eliminated.
Theres PEOPLE that PAID to get into the stadium, they trhew their own MONEY to support the organisation, to pay the players via prizepool, to be ENTERTAINED.
They arnt only getting paid to play. They are getting paid to put up a SHOW, as much as a tennisman is getting paid to play EVERY game even when they are eliminated.
They OWE people ENTERTAINEMENT, because WE PAID for it.
Is that clear enough ? How could you not find it enraging ?
This guy should be banned. You have to put a line in the sand and say STOP, you cant go this way and we will not tolerate people that arnt playing AT LEAST to put up a show.
He could have gone carriers, DT, play a fun match and maybe nestea would have follow into it and try to play a fun match too. I would have been happy, I would have payed for SOMETHING.
You'd have a point if the Blizzard Cup was the only tournament in the next 5 months, but it's not. A season of football is all teams have to show their stuff. Placing last is a big embarrassment in leagues like that. Placing last in 1 of many tournaments in the next 4 months is NOTHING.
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On December 13 2011 23:16 Sneakyz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:14 Aldehyde wrote:On December 13 2011 23:10 FallDownMarigold wrote:On December 13 2011 23:09 Vardant wrote:On December 13 2011 23:07 Jibba wrote:
That rarely happens at all. What are you talking about? Players like TMac who admit to giving up get reamed for it. Wasn't there a football match at Olympic games or WC or something, where both teams needed a tie to advance so they didn't play at all? IIRC there was no punishment. Exceptions exist. The obvious point is that in general, you get fucking castigated for pulling shit like Naniwa in competitive arenas. And this isn't an exception? Are a lot of other players doing this as well? Haven't seen it myself. Haven't actually seen something quite like this happen at all. It's quite common yes, but mostly it's in tournaments with several games rolling at the same time so they don't cast pointless games.
So those other tournaments do it the correct way then. Now we know.
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On December 13 2011 23:13 dafunk wrote:
I love how people want eSport to be professional yet when we compare it with sport in terms of mentality and how to approach it, they instantly say its just a game and not a sport.
It's EXACTLY like a sport.
EXACTLY like a soccer team that dont show up because they are eliminated.
Theres PEOPLE that PAID to get into the stadium, they trhew their own MONEY to support the organisation, to pay the players via prizepool, to be ENTERTAINED.
They arnt only getting paid to play. They are getting paid to put up a SHOW, as much as a tennisman is getting paid to play EVERY game even when they are eliminated.
They OWE people ENTERTAINEMENT, because WE PAID for it.
Is that clear enough ? How could you not find it enraging ?
This guy should be banned. You have to put a line in the sand and say STOP, you cant go this way and we will not tolerate people that arnt playing AT LEAST to put up a show.
He could have gone carriers, DT, play a fun match and maybe nestea would have follow into it and try to play a fun match too. I would have been happy, I would have payed for SOMETHING.
Game and sport are no different and I just explained why. You go to see your team play against another team that they're supposed to whitewash. They start all the guys who sit on the bench and the backup goalie. Do you honestly write the club a letter explaining how pissed off you were to see their B-team?
Same rule applies to a team that is already knocked out because they want to see what prospects they have. -.-
What Naniwa did was nothing more than a slap to NesTea's face: "I already proved I can beat you. I don't want to give you anymore satisfaction until it means something!"
Professional athletes do asinine shit all the time.
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This reminds me of a winter olympics in a snowboarding event. Extra runs were scheduled to determine 5th 6th place and so on. I remember one of the participants went through the start gate stopped and left. Just like this match it doesn't count for anything you are already out so it doesn't really make sense to have it.
Naniwa clearly wasn't interested in going into a drawn out game, so from a spectators point of view would everyone be more satisfied if he had done some kind of proxy zealot rush and won or lost the game with that? Which really should have no chance of winning at this level of play.
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On December 13 2011 23:15 FreudianTrip wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:13 Vardant wrote:On December 13 2011 23:12 Jibba wrote:On December 13 2011 23:09 Vardant wrote:On December 13 2011 23:07 Jibba wrote:
That rarely happens at all. What are you talking about? Players like TMac who admit to giving up get reamed for it. Wasn't there a football match at Olympic games or WC or something, where both teams needed a tie to advance so they didn't play at all? IIRC there was no punishment. West Germany did it to Algeria in the World Cup, and people,including Germans, started burning W. German flags in disgust. So it happened even more times, imagine my surprise. The one I meant was much more recent. Then you're making stuff up. This hasn't happened to anything near that degree since then. For a reason.
Are you working at a library dusting up encyclopedias or what?
This stuff happens everywhere, deal with it.
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he should have tried to write gg in cannons for the scouting overlord =D
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On December 13 2011 23:09 Vardant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 23:07 Jibba wrote:
That rarely happens at all. What are you talking about? Players like TMac who admit to giving up get reamed for it. Wasn't there a football match at Olympic games or WC or something, where both teams needed a tie to advance so they didn't play at all? IIRC there was no punishment.
U mean the shame of gijon between germany and austria ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichtangriffspakt_von_Gijón
they even changed the system after that, huuuge scandal - nobody got banned though..
I personaly lost all respect for naniwa, which was left in the first place.
He should not get banned from gom, cause he did not break any set rules ( so i recall.. ).
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It's really interesting. The Koreans seem to be a lot more pissed about this than the foreign community. And people wonder why they're so much better at it than us? To them it's more than just a game, it IS a profession, and they expect their players to give it 100% in every match, the players also seem to hold themselves to the same expectation.
Meanwhile over here, it's "just a game", and is treated as such by a lot of fans and players alike. Yet people here really want to push SC2 and gaming into the mainstream without realizing that if they don't take it seriously, the public won't either.
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Sounds like Nani was afraid of getting stomped by Nestea, knowing Nestea wasn't playing at his best at Providence.
EDIT: And Nani also knew that he himself wasn't playing well after 3 losses, so he could avoid the shame of going 0-4 legit.
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I believe it's disrespectful to everyone, his team, his sponsors, his opponent, his fans.
What he should've done is going for some funky strategy if he was so upset, I don't know, mothership rush? Proxy stargate? Mass DT build?
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On December 13 2011 23:18 Fawkes wrote:
I don't understand why an apology suddenly makes everything all better. Fans were looking forward to the game, people were hyping the game, and then...*crickets*.
How many more times is he going to be allowed to do whatever he wants? His rude behaviour @ Providence was because of frustration and attempts to hype the game? Throwing this game was because it didn't matter? How many more excuses can he pull off and how many more times can he say sorry to this, sorry to that?
The game would be bad nontheless.
If there is a lot of interest for a grudgematch between Naniwa and Nestea, it should be arranged as a formal Bo5/7 on another date. Not the fourth match of the day after suffering 3 horrible losses each.
The mentality is a lot of the game, and when that is gone, the game will suck.
It's just silly to bash Naniwa for this, if he proxied, cannoned, or whatever people would still whine. Because he is Naniwa.
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