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On November 21 2011 00:05 Apolex wrote:
It's a lot more then just one incident that caused the huge uproar on the behavior of Naniwa.
His personality is what people are attacking, if it was MC or huk doing the thumbs down, it would be entertainment because we KNOW that MC and Huk are actually really good mannered. Naniwa on the other hand was hated on ladder for his BM in the early days. He also seems like a person that would prefer sticking to himself, so these types of people aren't very well liked.
The thumbs down and idiot comments were blown out of proportion, but this might give him time or awareness to fix up his attitude towards others.
Next time Idra leaves a game and watches the replay afterwards I'll scream cheater from the top of my lungs because he has a crappy personality. You are being silly.
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On November 20 2011 23:55 SeaSwift wrote:The part where it says you have to lose vs Nestea 
Thx for making my day! xD
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On November 21 2011 00:04 Captain Peabody wrote:Presumably: 2. No verbal abuse of Referees and other tournament officials. Verbal abuse of a Referee or other tournament official includes, but is not limited to, the use of vulgar language directed at a Referee or other tournament official, the use of insulting words or gestures directed at a Referee or other tournament official, and excessive argument with a Referee or other tournament official resulting in the delay of a Match. Basically, the ONLY questionable point here is whether or not an admin really did tell Naniwa that the map was cross positions only, or if he just assumed it based on his replay. Presumably, Naniwa and/or Sundance will clarify that soon. Obviously, though, this whole set of games did not at all go smoothly. Unfortunate for everyone involved, honestly,
I think Nani got confused, Shakuras has always been no close spawns but cross spawns can mean either actual cross map (a la Antiga) or just no close spawns.
When he paused the game I instantly knew that's probably why.
Some MLG official probably stated cross spawns, but every Sc2 player, let alone progamer knows that's the case on Shakuras so Nani thought MLG had modified the map like it did to Antiga.
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You understand guys that all of this situation is a misunderstanding (a quiproquo in my language) between all parts (mlg's admins, naniwa, nestea and crowd) ?
People made naniwa's interview look as a big bm while it's only awkwardness and out of context. And then it keeps taking more and more importance for something wortheless. For exemple a tiny thumbdown is considered here as the biggest bm while it's only a usual ceremony.
Little issues are exaggerated because people love drama :-/
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Smack talk just makes Starcraft so much more entertaining. Hope it turns out like boxing one day, with all the pre match hype.
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On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match.
nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
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On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets
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On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship.
i loled
no.2 is viable but MLG themselves did not prevent this from happening.
no.5, wow i have no idea how many more bad ass celebration than the thumbs up were in sc2 scene previously.
IF FBH plays sc2 this game, he would have been ban constantly.
even if Naniwa did cheated on game 3, i don't suppose he also cheated against MVP and NesTea at global invitational eh?
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On November 21 2011 00:07 tnud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:05 Apolex wrote:
It's a lot more then just one incident that caused the huge uproar on the behavior of Naniwa.
His personality is what people are attacking, if it was MC or huk doing the thumbs down, it would be entertainment because we KNOW that MC and Huk are actually really good mannered. Naniwa on the other hand was hated on ladder for his BM in the early days. He also seems like a person that would prefer sticking to himself, so these types of people aren't very well liked.
The thumbs down and idiot comments were blown out of proportion, but this might give him time or awareness to fix up his attitude towards others. Next time Idra leaves a game and watches the replay afterwards I'll scream cheater from the top of my lungs because he has a crappy personality. You are being silly.
Yes. I think a big part of the drama is that Nani doesn't have as big of a fanbase as other "BM-ers"- IdrA and some of MC's ceremonies (although with MC it's definitely more light-hearted). If a more popular player did it the crowd would go nuts and everyone would love it, but since Nani is respected more for his play and not for his personality people are calling him an asshole, which is ridiculous. It's a thumbs down, if he did that to me I wouldn't even be offended.
edit- also, he beat "zerg god" Nestea, which gets all the nestea fans pissed too. If Nani hadn't done anything there would be a buttload of balance whine instead of Nani hate.
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On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT!
On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets
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He did not!
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On November 21 2011 00:06 Apolex wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:05 rblstr wrote:On November 21 2011 00:04 dolvlo wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 rblstr wrote:On November 21 2011 00:01 SpurvL wrote:
6, Game 3 has trouble, Naniwa thinks that they play on an other Shakaurast then they do, wants a break to go to the bathroom, comes back and they keep playing it
7, Internet explodes and accuses Naniwa of cheating?
I am pretty sure that I have missed something.. 6.5 Nani looks at the replay of the game he left to use the bathroom. People think that its cheating because he can see Nestea's opening. This is alleged by some random kid on reddit, there is no evidence of this, and the people at MLG are investigating it. I know i don't think he was cheating i was just telling him what all the drama was about  That's a huge story for a "random kid" to just make up out of the blue. There is obvious truth to it.
Doesn't really matter weather he watched the rep or not though. At the end of the day he beat Nestea by being better.
Plus Nani has talked about his attitude and BM back in the day and what was going on in his life. He admits it was bad and he seems to have really improved based on interviews and his behaviour at tournaments. He has one of the most competitive attitudes of the whole scene, and he also gets extremely stressed under pressure (See TSL final) and he tends to speak out of turn when he's stressed. I understand this, and thus when he says stuff in the kind of situation he's in I understand what he's going through and don't judge too harsh.
Lets not try crucify someone when they've just achieved something great, you're looking worse than he does...
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"He watched the replay so he could cannon rush"
Seriously? You do a forge expand on shakuras, every time period. When you get there and see hatch first nothing has influenced your decision, its just the logical thing to do, Id always cannon rush someone going hatch first. And its not like he build the forge just for that, the forge was part of his gameplan anyways.
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On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
No, he said in an interview that pulling the drones in the last game of mlg global invitational was stupid, and that some people had a better zvp than nestea.
Some people took it out of context and summed it "Nestea is stupid and he is bad"
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On November 20 2011 23:37 Riyomori wrote:
nice move by naniwa. people blowing this way out of proportions. nestea's decision makings were dodgy in the games and he deserved to lose
That's what they do best. Take shit out of context.
Tongue-in-cheek.
Get used to it.
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On November 21 2011 00:05 rblstr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:04 dolvlo wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 rblstr wrote:On November 21 2011 00:01 SpurvL wrote:
6, Game 3 has trouble, Naniwa thinks that they play on an other Shakaurast then they do, wants a break to go to the bathroom, comes back and they keep playing it
7, Internet explodes and accuses Naniwa of cheating?
I am pretty sure that I have missed something.. 6.5 Nani looks at the replay of the game he left to use the bathroom. People think that its cheating because he can see Nestea's opening. This is alleged by some random kid on reddit, there is no evidence of this, and the people at MLG are investigating it. I know i don't think he was cheating i was just telling him what all the drama was about
That's a huge story for a "random kid" to just make up out of the blue. There is obvious truth to it.
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On November 21 2011 00:08 Gevna wrote:
You understand guys that all of this situation is a misunderstanding (a quiproquo in my language) between all parts (mlg's admins, naniwa, nestea and crowd) ?
People made naniwa's interview look as a big bm while it's only awkwardness and out of context. And then it keeps taking more and more importance for something wortheless. For exemple a tiny thumbdown is considered here as the biggest bm while it's only a usual ceremony.
Little issues are exaggerated because people love drama :-/
i have no problem with any of that.
calling MLG a joke tournament in all chat, while playing live on the big screen streamed to tens of thousands of people. no matter your emotions or how you're feeling, saying something like that is completely out of line. i personally think that's the worst thing by far anyone has done in sc2. if i was sundance, i would be raging and would've instantly disqualified naniwa, but i guess that's why sundance is the ceo of mlg.
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On November 21 2011 00:10 tnud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT! Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not!
But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it
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On November 21 2011 00:10 rblstr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:06 Apolex wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 rblstr wrote:On November 21 2011 00:04 dolvlo wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 rblstr wrote:On November 21 2011 00:01 SpurvL wrote:
6, Game 3 has trouble, Naniwa thinks that they play on an other Shakaurast then they do, wants a break to go to the bathroom, comes back and they keep playing it
7, Internet explodes and accuses Naniwa of cheating?
I am pretty sure that I have missed something.. 6.5 Nani looks at the replay of the game he left to use the bathroom. People think that its cheating because he can see Nestea's opening. This is alleged by some random kid on reddit, there is no evidence of this, and the people at MLG are investigating it. I know i don't think he was cheating i was just telling him what all the drama was about That's a huge story for a "random kid" to just make up out of the blue. There is obvious truth to it. Doesn't really matter weather he watched the rep or not though. At the end of the day he beat Nestea by being better. Plus Nani has talked about his attitude and BM back in the day and what was going on in his life. He admits it was bad and he seems to have really improved based on interviews and his behaviour at tournaments. He has one of the most competitive attitudes of the whole scene, and he also gets extremely stressed under pressure (See TSL final) and he tends to speak out of turn when he's stressed. I understand this, and thus when he says stuff in the kind of situation he's in I understand what he's going through and don't judge too harsh. Lets not try crucify someone when they've just achieved something great, you're looking worse than he does...
Internet making up sensationalist stories? No way!!! MUST BE TRUE!
that's really big jump in logic to make.
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On November 20 2011 23:46 Hubris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 23:36 H0i wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/CoLNaniwaI must have formulated myself badly in the interviews I did not mean to call nestea bad. Or. An idiot watch next col iview. . . He said he would smash me before the game so that's why I wanted to do something funny. Also sry @MLG I felt very pressured . @eneKeyHunt @compLexityLive no pressure people twist what I say to what they want tho. I mean no disrespect to nestea There's a lot of drama around all this naniwa/nestea thing. Looks like naniwa isn't as bad as many people claim he is though. I lost some of my respect for him first but maybe it was just miscommunication. Discuss. + Show Spoiler +Mandatory "drama is killing esports" I don't believe this for one second. If he truly thought it was a miscommunication why didn't he clarify before the match to Nestea, who was already insulted? Why did he stack it with a BM thumbs down? Again, doesn't fly.
because EVERYONE! said on screddit, and even here on tl.net that his win against nestea wasn´t "legit" and he had it easy cause nestea was jetlagged and all that stuff.
how´d you feel if you write your exams, you´d be the best of your school, but no one cares cause everyone says that you´ve got lucky/cheated and you´re a dumb asshole?
he WON a major series against one of the best players in the entire world, he probably felt like a hero after,... mc does it all the friggin time! and they´re right!
nothing wrong with expressing the emotions to have a little fun with the audience.
JUST stop drama-whoring, its not like its so god damn wrong to have fun,...
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Wow, people really like to fire up about small things. Just sit back, relax, and enjoy Starcraft
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