2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship.
You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/
Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match.
nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT!
On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:
On November 20 2011 23:55 andis35 wrote: can anybody please show me which point did Naniwa violated?
2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship.
You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/
Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match.
nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets
ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not!
But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it
He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT! Show me, video and timestamp. Calling a move dumb is not calling someone an idiot.
2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship.
You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/
Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match.
nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT!
some people are just totally misunderstanding the concept of taking things out of context. this defence doesnt actually work if naniwas quote word by word is exactly "i thought he was a genius but hes actually an idiot." even if he is referencing something nestea was doing it still means that he called nestea an idiot.
Another thing im not seeing mentioned by all the Naniwa dislikers here; Nestea said he would CRUSH Naniwa before the game.. So Naniwa did a "celebration" thumbs down at the end when he won the game, sort of like a "Thanks for the kind words"..
So you can say Naniwa should of just did nothing and walked away, but Nestea was the one to start the shit talking, and Naniwa finished it. Thats fair in my books. When someone like IdrA does something similar, everyone is applauding the balsy response.
On November 21 2011 00:08 Gevna wrote: You understand guys that all of this situation is a misunderstanding (a quiproquo in my language) between all parts (mlg's admins, naniwa, nestea and crowd) ?
People made naniwa's interview look as a big bm while it's only awkwardness and out of context. And then it keeps taking more and more importance for something wortheless. For exemple a tiny thumbdown is considered here as the biggest bm while it's only a usual ceremony.
Little issues are exaggerated because people love drama :-/
i have no problem with any of that.
calling MLG a joke tournament in all chat, while playing live on the big screen streamed to tens of thousands of people. no matter your emotions or how you're feeling, saying something like that is completely out of line. i personally think that's the worst thing by far anyone has done in sc2. if i was sundance, i would be raging and would've instantly disqualified naniwa, but i guess that's why sundance is the ceo of mlg.
Banning someone for an opinion, no matter how controversial, would not be a good PR move at all, especially since people not in the SC ESPORTS community don't understand how "manner" pro SC and probably wouldn't think what Nani said was a big deal at all.
Just because everyone loves nestea puts this entire argument to a certain degree of bias. It's quite annoying how people overreact. What if mkp won and did this? "amazing play!" and many other more loved players around would be the same. If NESTEA isn't accusing of him of cheating, who are WE to judge?
2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship.
You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/
Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match.
nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT!
some people are just totally misunderstanding the concept of taking things out of context. this defence doesnt actually work if naniwas quote word by word is exactly "i thought he was a genius but hes actually an idiot." even if he is referencing something nestea was doing it still means that he called nestea an idiot.
Yeah, I find it funny how he uses quotation marks without actually quoting naniwa :D
I must have formulated myself badly in the interviews I did not mean to call nestea bad. Or. An idiot watch next col iview. . .
He said he would smash me before the game so that's why I wanted to do something funny. Also sry @MLG I felt very pressured .
@eneKeyHunt @compLexityLive no pressure people twist what I say to what they want tho. I mean no disrespect to nestea
There's a lot of drama around all this naniwa/nestea thing. Looks like naniwa isn't as bad as many people claim he is though. I lost some of my respect for him first but maybe it was just miscommunication. Discuss.
I don't believe this for one second. If he truly thought it was a miscommunication why didn't he clarify before the match to Nestea, who was already insulted? Why did he stack it with a BM thumbs down? Again, doesn't fly.
because EVERYONE! said on screddit, and even here on tl.net that his win against nestea wasn´t "legit" and he had it easy cause nestea was jetlagged and all that stuff. how´d you feel if you write your exams, you´d be the best of your school, but no one cares cause everyone says that you´ve got lucky/cheated and you´re a dumb asshole? he WON a major series against one of the best players in the entire world, he probably felt like a hero after,... mc does it all the friggin time! and they´re right! nothing wrong with expressing the emotions to have a little fun with the audience. JUST stop drama-whoring, its not like its so god damn wrong to have fun,...
Everyone said it cause one guy said it, that's how the internet works. People have said incorrect things in LR before and then other people quote him as fact, then other people just state him as fact. Still doesn't make it true.
On November 21 2011 00:08 Gevna wrote: You understand guys that all of this situation is a misunderstanding (a quiproquo in my language) between all parts (mlg's admins, naniwa, nestea and crowd) ?
People made naniwa's interview look as a big bm while it's only awkwardness and out of context. And then it keeps taking more and more importance for something wortheless. For exemple a tiny thumbdown is considered here as the biggest bm while it's only a usual ceremony.
Little issues are exaggerated because people love drama :-/
i have no problem with any of that.
calling MLG a joke tournament in all chat, while playing live on the big screen streamed to tens of thousands of people. no matter your emotions or how you're feeling, saying something like that is completely out of line. i personally think that's the worst thing by far anyone has done in sc2. if i was sundance, i would be raging and would've instantly disqualified naniwa, but i guess that's why sundance is the ceo of mlg.
Obviously he doesn't really think it's a joke tournament...
He was under loads of pressure because a) he's playing against the best zerg in the world and b) there was loads of trashtalk prior to the match
You seriously think that's the worst thing anyone has done in SC2? Have you been here a week?
Well the casters and MLG purposefully created drama by twisting Naniwa's words, although to be honest the community should know better than to jump on a couple of words taken out of context instead of actually watching the interviews. All this drama has less basis in truth than some shitty tabloid paper article. I wish people would just forget about this.
2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship.
You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/
Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match.
nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT!
On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:
He apologized for using the "wrong words" and he said that "he did not mean to disrespect" NesTea
On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:
On November 20 2011 23:55 andis35 wrote: can anybody please show me which point did Naniwa violated?
2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship.
You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/
Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match.
nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets
ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not!
But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it
He apologised for using the "wrong words" and "did not mean to disrespect nestea"
On November 21 2011 00:13 Snowen wrote: Another thing im not seeing mentioned by all the Naniwa dislikers here; Nestea said he would CRUSH Naniwa before the game.. So Naniwa did a "celebration" thumbs down at the end when he won the game, sort of like a "Thanks for the kind words"..
So you can say Naniwa should of just did nothing and walked away, but Nestea was the one to start the shit talking, and Naniwa finished it. Thats fair in my books. When someone like IdrA does something similar, everyone is applauding the balsy response.
It's cause Naniwa doesn't have the reputation as a "badass", therefore when he does something similar everyone hates him. gotta have that rep first bro.
I don't particularly like any of the things he did, but for the most part I can sympathize and understand why he did them. hopefully he can get his act together in the future.
some people are just totally misunderstanding the concept of taking things out of context. this defence doesnt actually work if naniwas quote word by word is exactly "i thought he was a genius but hes actually an idiot."
On November 21 2011 00:14 Xavy wrote: Just because everyone loves nestea puts this entire argument to a certain degree of bias. It's quite annoying how people overreact. What if mkp won and did this? "amazing play!" and many other more loved players around would be the same. If NESTEA isn't accusing of him of cheating, who are WE to judge?
2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship.
You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/
Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match.
nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT!
On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:
On November 20 2011 23:55 andis35 wrote: can anybody please show me which point did Naniwa violated?
2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship.
You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/
Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match.
nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets
ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not!
But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it
he apologized for what he said was misleading.....
2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship.
You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/
Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match.
nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT!
some people are just totally misunderstanding the concept of taking things out of context. this defence doesnt actually work if naniwas quote word by word is exactly "i thought he was a genius but hes actually an idiot." even if he is referencing something nestea was doing it still means that he called nestea an idiot.
Yeah, I find it funny how he uses quotation marks without actually quoting naniwa :D
Context damn it!
-He sent drones and your probe saw it. I thought that those were from some smart shit, like building a hatchery far away, and then transfering it. I though he was a genious but apperantly he's an idiot. What he did made no sense.
That is straight up calling sending drones across the map for no reason an idiotic move/ something an idiot would do. He worded it poorly yes. It's not something people need to rage about.
2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship.
You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/
Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match.
nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT!
On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:
On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:
On November 20 2011 23:55 andis35 wrote: can anybody please show me which point did Naniwa violated?
2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship.
You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/
Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match.
nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match?
Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets
ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not!
But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it
He never said "Nestea's decision to pull drones was idiotic." That's just the truth. What he said was: "I thought he was going to do some smart shit, like building a hatchery far away and then transferring it. I thought he was that genius, but apparently he's just a idiot."
So please, for the love of god, stop blindly defending him just because you think he is a good player and you look up to him. We all know he is obviously one of the best protoss players in the world right now but that does not excuse the kind of behaviour we saw from him.
Forgetting everything else, you never call the tournament you're playing in a "joke", especially live on the stream to potentially hundreds of thousands of people. Please try and convince me that this statement of his was justified. I don't care if he apologised, the point is he made a mistake and mistakes have consequences.
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