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On November 21 2011 00:29 Hubris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:01 SpurvL wrote:
So let's see if I have missed anything..
1, Nestea wins over Nani in Blizzcon
2, Naniwa wins in Global invitational over Nestea
->Calls Nestea an idiot and acts completely arrogant
3, Nestea Says he's gonna beat Naniwa the MLG-game
4, Naniwa says that MVP was harder to beat then Nestea and that Nesteas ZvP isnt as good as others
5, Naniwa wins game 1, loses game 2
6, Game 3 has trouble, Naniwa thinks that they play on an other Shakaurast then they do, wants a break to go to the bathroom, comes back and they keep playing it
->Naniwa fails to understand tourny rules, BM pauses to complain and cannon rush, then provides a stay classy thumbs down after providing two base all ins. someone's states he was watching Nestea's BO
7, Internet explodes and accuses Naniwa of cheating?
I am pretty sure that I have missed something.. FTFY
You forget when the tourney advisor told him the wrong info, which is why he had bad info.
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On November 21 2011 00:32 Haustka wrote:
naniwa needs to grow up... simple as that, a lot of pro gamers, even koreans make that mistake. well... look at coca, he got disqualified or knock down from Code S because of his wrong doings in a tournament. if naniwa did that in korea.... oooooo he might not even be able to play in GSL
well who knows
Throwing a game =/= thumbs down.
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On November 21 2011 00:29 Jibba wrote:
Summary of 95% of SC2 drama: reddit is full of idiots
Don't just blame reddit, Tastosis should get their share of blame in this. When you make a population of idiots believe someone is a God it stands to reason things will end badly.
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This is beyond stupid. Naniwa was angry, he made a mistake. He apologized publicly and I am sure he apologized to Nestea. He apologized to MLG. What else do you want him to do? No one is a perfect human being.
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On November 21 2011 00:32 aderum wrote:
[–]Androide456 (_) 95 points 2 hours ago (110|17)
you know you can read the BO the moment your game ends.... so when people regame they automatically can see what build their opponent went without even watching the replay!
[–]InternetIsHard (_) 30 points 1 hour ago (34|4)
Exactly. The real blunder here was allowing the coach into the booth after the game started. And it's not even Naniwa's fault in this case.
People are also saying he got sent there with a message from an organizer.
[–]Kashii (_) [+1] 13 points 40 minutes ago (13|2)
The guy in the booth was giving Nani a message from Sundance about his unwarranted pause.
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Top three posts on the reddit thread. If the manager was sent in by sundance, i dont really see what the problem is, since he can see the BO from the score screen 2.
He didnt call neaste an idiot, he called the move to pull drone idiotic (also remeber that english isnt his first langugage), he saw nothing more from the replay than he would have done from the score screen, and the manager was sent from Sundace.
What is the problem here?
It's like people for the first time have heard Nani speak, and are forgetting that he never have been a master at english. Perhaps MLG should get him a translator too.
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On November 21 2011 00:29 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:27 Zalithian wrote:On November 21 2011 00:26 SlimeBagly wrote:
players having personalities is good for ESPORTS Being a douchebag =/= having a personality BMing works for IdrA, why not for Nani?
Well Naniwa attacked the player himself, IdrA usually attacks the race.
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It comes up in every thread like this but, all y'all that are so offended need to spend a little time youtubeing firebathero.
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On November 21 2011 00:34 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:32 Haustka wrote:
naniwa needs to grow up... simple as that, a lot of pro gamers, even koreans make that mistake. well... look at coca, he got disqualified or knock down from Code S because of his wrong doings in a tournament. if naniwa did that in korea.... oooooo he might not even be able to play in GSL
well who knows Throwing a game =/= thumbs down.
This tbh.
See how fucking hard coca got slammed for his thrown game, I wonder why the whole blizzcon debacle hasnt resulted in nestea getting booted from turneys.
I mean wtf shitting all over the community and blizzcon is ok, but calling an opponent an idiot gives total uproar? The only would where this makes sense is a world full of reddit nestea fanboys... ohhhh wait...
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On November 21 2011 00:38 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:29 Jibba wrote:
Summary of 95% of SC2 drama: reddit is full of idiots Don't just blame reddit, Tastosis should get their share of blame in this. When you make a population of idiots believe someone is a God it stands to reason things will end badly.
And fuiling with the story before the game, even claiming not to have seen the interview themself.
It was so obvious created stream drama.
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On November 21 2011 00:38 turamn wrote:
This is beyond stupid. Naniwa was angry, he made a mistake. He apologized publicly and I am sure he apologized to Nestea. He apologized to MLG. What else do you want him to do? No one is a perfect human being.
Apologizes are not enough in a serious and professionnal tournament imo.
Of course we're all human, but hes a pro who is supposed to follow strictly the tournament rules, and if he dont he must have a punishement, it's as simple as that. ^^
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On November 21 2011 00:40 FeUerFlieGe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:29 DystopiaX wrote:On November 21 2011 00:27 Zalithian wrote:On November 21 2011 00:26 SlimeBagly wrote:
players having personalities is good for ESPORTS Being a douchebag =/= having a personality BMing works for IdrA, why not for Nani? Well Naniwa attacked the player himself, IdrA usually attacks the race.
Not usually, no. IdrA generally calls the person terrible, gimmicky, or just tells them to kill themselves.
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On November 21 2011 00:25 Kimla wrote:
Nestea played really bad and his fans are really angry kinda funny. Get over it.
No, I'm not a Nestea fan. I don't watch the GSL and I play as Terran, so don't even try to tell me I have some kind of "zerg bias". However, I like watching people who are respectful and talented at the same time and what Naniwa did yesterday was not respectful to Nestea. Period.
Why is it so hard for some people on this forum to understand that there are mature people in this community that don't want to see the kind of behaviour that Naniwa demonstrated yesterday? I think I am right when I say, we're the people that actually want ESPORTS to grow and become more recognised, and having one of the best players in the world (yes, I recognise that Naniwa is) saying that the tournament is a "joke" live on the stream does not benefit anyone.
Let me put this out there. How do you know that the people from ESPN that MLG have been in contact with, are not sitting at home watching the tournament to get a better understanding of everything. What do you think their reactions are when they see what happened yesterday? I can't imagine they look up to it like some people do on here.
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On November 21 2011 00:40 FeUerFlieGe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:29 DystopiaX wrote:On November 21 2011 00:27 Zalithian wrote:On November 21 2011 00:26 SlimeBagly wrote:
players having personalities is good for ESPORTS Being a douchebag =/= having a personality BMing works for IdrA, why not for Nani? Well Naniwa attacked the player himself, IdrA usually attacks the race.
naniwa's comment wasn't even INGAME! It was just a joke, listen to the actual video.
"IdrA usually attacks the race." LOL Idra BMs people outright ingame. I think there may be some screenshots to back me up on this.
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On November 21 2011 00:40 FeUerFlieGe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:29 DystopiaX wrote:On November 21 2011 00:27 Zalithian wrote:On November 21 2011 00:26 SlimeBagly wrote:
players having personalities is good for ESPORTS Being a douchebag =/= having a personality BMing works for IdrA, why not for Nani? Well Naniwa attacked the player himself, IdrA usually attacks the race.
Do you honestly believe what you wrote?
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On November 21 2011 00:33 Blondinbengt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:24 Snowen wrote:On November 21 2011 00:18 MasterKush wrote:On November 21 2011 00:11 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:10 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT! On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:
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2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not! But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it He never said "Nestea's decision to pull drones was idiotic." That's just the truth. What he said was: "I thought he was going to do some smart shit, like a hidden hatchery but it turns out he's just an idiot." So please, for the love of god, stop blindly defending him just because you think he is a good player and you look up to him. We all know he is obviously one of the best protoss players in the world right now but that does not excuse the kind of behaviour we saw from him. Forgetting everything else, you never call the tournament you're playing in a "joke", especially live on the stream to potentially hundreds of thousands of people. Please try and convince me that this statement of his was justified. I don't care if he apologised, the point is he made a mistake and mistakes have consequences. Again, Naniwa's first language is NOT ENGLISH.. Words can be misused easily. And I doubt he even said "hes just an idiot".. Find me the clip. He just said what it is, an idiotic move to send your drones in that situation. If he was speaking sweden, I bet it would be a non-issue, but since hes speaking a foreign language, its easy to use the wrong words.. His behavior is not any worse than someone like IdrA saying "fuck you" in the middle of a match at a prior MLG. I think thats significantly worse than someone who was not allowed to go use the washroom before a game being upset.. Try playing a huge match against the best zerg in the world without using the washroom because the admins wouldn't allow you to, not very fun. And then for them to host the wrong map. And lets be honest, Nestea sending his drones in game 3 WAS an idiotic move. That lost him the game for sure. If it was anyone else besides Nestea or IdrA doing it, Artosis and etc would of called it a stupid move on the spot too. I don't have any insight into Naniwas mind so I have no idea what he actually meant to say or what his opinion of Nestea is, but I will say that in Swedish (atleast where I live) saying things along the lines of ''damn, you're dumb'' (I'm being extremely general with the translation) in the context of someone doing something stupid/clumsy etc.etc is pretty much the same as saying something along the lines of ''¨that was very dumb of you'' and isn't necesserily seen as a personal insult but more as a general poke at a dumb thing someone did. Like I said, I can't claim any insight into his thinking, but I wouldn't be surprised if Naniwa simply didn't rephrase a Swedish expression properly and it came out wrong.
Naniwa didn't say that Nestea sending his drones in game 3 was idiot, that's what he said he meant on twitter.
But seriously dude, if you say to someone you've never talked to "you're dumb" you think it means "that was dumb" ? Don't be a fool please ...
Nestea is not Naniwa's friend, saying Nestea is idiot has no other meanings, and when you say "he is an idiot", i don't see how Naniwa can say he didn't mean that, anyone with 50 english words knowledge would know that.
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yeah nani has quite an attitude, but at least he had the balls to apologize for it.
Whatever the drama, it's good for esports :D
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On November 21 2011 00:44 Ym!r wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:33 Blondinbengt wrote:On November 21 2011 00:24 Snowen wrote:On November 21 2011 00:18 MasterKush wrote:On November 21 2011 00:11 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:10 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:
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2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT! On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:
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You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not! But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it He never said "Nestea's decision to pull drones was idiotic." That's just the truth. What he said was: "I thought he was going to do some smart shit, like a hidden hatchery but it turns out he's just an idiot." So please, for the love of god, stop blindly defending him just because you think he is a good player and you look up to him. We all know he is obviously one of the best protoss players in the world right now but that does not excuse the kind of behaviour we saw from him. Forgetting everything else, you never call the tournament you're playing in a "joke", especially live on the stream to potentially hundreds of thousands of people. Please try and convince me that this statement of his was justified. I don't care if he apologised, the point is he made a mistake and mistakes have consequences. Again, Naniwa's first language is NOT ENGLISH.. Words can be misused easily. And I doubt he even said "hes just an idiot".. Find me the clip. He just said what it is, an idiotic move to send your drones in that situation. If he was speaking sweden, I bet it would be a non-issue, but since hes speaking a foreign language, its easy to use the wrong words.. His behavior is not any worse than someone like IdrA saying "fuck you" in the middle of a match at a prior MLG. I think thats significantly worse than someone who was not allowed to go use the washroom before a game being upset.. Try playing a huge match against the best zerg in the world without using the washroom because the admins wouldn't allow you to, not very fun. And then for them to host the wrong map. And lets be honest, Nestea sending his drones in game 3 WAS an idiotic move. That lost him the game for sure. If it was anyone else besides Nestea or IdrA doing it, Artosis and etc would of called it a stupid move on the spot too. I don't have any insight into Naniwas mind so I have no idea what he actually meant to say or what his opinion of Nestea is, but I will say that in Swedish (atleast where I live) saying things along the lines of ''damn, you're dumb'' (I'm being extremely general with the translation) in the context of someone doing something stupid/clumsy etc.etc is pretty much the same as saying something along the lines of ''¨that was very dumb of you'' and isn't necesserily seen as a personal insult but more as a general poke at a dumb thing someone did. Like I said, I can't claim any insight into his thinking, but I wouldn't be surprised if Naniwa simply didn't rephrase a Swedish expression properly and it came out wrong. ... But seriously dude, if you say to someone you've never talked to "you're dumb" you think it means "that was dumb" ? Don't be a fool please ... Nestea is not Naniwa's friend, saying Nestea is idiot has no other meanings, and when you say "he is an idiot", i don't see how Naniwa can say he didn't mean that, anyone with 50 english words knowledge would know that.
I'm also from Sweden and yes, in swedish that would not be a personal insult per se. Especially not in this context which it's questionable even in English.
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On November 21 2011 00:42 StateAlchemist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:38 turamn wrote:
This is beyond stupid. Naniwa was angry, he made a mistake. He apologized publicly and I am sure he apologized to Nestea. He apologized to MLG. What else do you want him to do? No one is a perfect human being. Apologizes are not enough in a serious and professionnal tournament imo. Of course we're all human, but hes a pro who is supposed to follow strictly the tournament rules, and if he dont he must have a punishement, it's as simple as that. ^^
What rules did he break? An admin told him incorrect information and he wanted clarification. You're telling me that if you don't know anything about Playstation 3, go to buy one and the Sales Clerk tells you it will play PS2 games and it doesn't, you won't be angry? I mean, he didn't cheat. At al. Could they have punished him for saying joke tournament, yeah, they could have, but they chose not to.
What else can he do other than apologize? Do you want him to wax Sundance's scrotum on stream? I just don't understand. .
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On November 21 2011 00:44 Ym!r wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:33 Blondinbengt wrote:On November 21 2011 00:24 Snowen wrote:On November 21 2011 00:18 MasterKush wrote:On November 21 2011 00:11 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:10 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:
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2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT! On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:
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You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not! But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it He never said "Nestea's decision to pull drones was idiotic." That's just the truth. What he said was: "I thought he was going to do some smart shit, like a hidden hatchery but it turns out he's just an idiot." So please, for the love of god, stop blindly defending him just because you think he is a good player and you look up to him. We all know he is obviously one of the best protoss players in the world right now but that does not excuse the kind of behaviour we saw from him. Forgetting everything else, you never call the tournament you're playing in a "joke", especially live on the stream to potentially hundreds of thousands of people. Please try and convince me that this statement of his was justified. I don't care if he apologised, the point is he made a mistake and mistakes have consequences. Again, Naniwa's first language is NOT ENGLISH.. Words can be misused easily. And I doubt he even said "hes just an idiot".. Find me the clip. He just said what it is, an idiotic move to send your drones in that situation. If he was speaking sweden, I bet it would be a non-issue, but since hes speaking a foreign language, its easy to use the wrong words.. His behavior is not any worse than someone like IdrA saying "fuck you" in the middle of a match at a prior MLG. I think thats significantly worse than someone who was not allowed to go use the washroom before a game being upset.. Try playing a huge match against the best zerg in the world without using the washroom because the admins wouldn't allow you to, not very fun. And then for them to host the wrong map. And lets be honest, Nestea sending his drones in game 3 WAS an idiotic move. That lost him the game for sure. If it was anyone else besides Nestea or IdrA doing it, Artosis and etc would of called it a stupid move on the spot too. I don't have any insight into Naniwas mind so I have no idea what he actually meant to say or what his opinion of Nestea is, but I will say that in Swedish (atleast where I live) saying things along the lines of ''damn, you're dumb'' (I'm being extremely general with the translation) in the context of someone doing something stupid/clumsy etc.etc is pretty much the same as saying something along the lines of ''¨that was very dumb of you'' and isn't necesserily seen as a personal insult but more as a general poke at a dumb thing someone did. Like I said, I can't claim any insight into his thinking, but I wouldn't be surprised if Naniwa simply didn't rephrase a Swedish expression properly and it came out wrong. Naniwa didn't say that Nestea sending his drones in game 3 was idiot, that's what he said he meant on twitter. But seriously dude, if you say to someone you've never talked to "you're dumb" you think it means "that was dumb" ? Don't be a fool please ... Nestea is not Naniwa's friend, saying Nestea is idiot has no other meanings, and when you say "he is an idiot", i don't see how Naniwa can say he didn't mean that, anyone with 50 english words knowledge would know that.
Not really, speaking your non-native tongue is fairly difficult especially English considering the amount of words that basically mean the same thing.
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On November 21 2011 00:44 theBALLS wrote:
yeah nani has quite an attitude, but at least he had the balls to apologize for it.
Whatever the drama, it's good for esports :D
He was forced to apologize, it doesn't have anything to do with balls, sorry.
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