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On November 21 2011 00:43 paintfive wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:40 FeUerFlieGe wrote:On November 21 2011 00:29 DystopiaX wrote:On November 21 2011 00:27 Zalithian wrote:On November 21 2011 00:26 SlimeBagly wrote:
players having personalities is good for ESPORTS Being a douchebag =/= having a personality BMing works for IdrA, why not for Nani? Well Naniwa attacked the player himself, IdrA usually attacks the race. naniwa's comment wasn't even INGAME! It was just a joke, listen to the actual video. "IdrA usually attacks the race." LOL Idra BMs people outright ingame. I think there may be some screenshots to back me up on this.
IdrA BM's players like Cruncher, Silver, and Drewbie
Not MC, NesTea, MVP.
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On November 21 2011 00:46 Ym!r wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:44 theBALLS wrote:
yeah nani has quite an attitude, but at least he had the balls to apologize for it.
Whatever the drama, it's good for esports :D He was forced to apologize, it doesn't have anything to do with balls, sorry.
And you base that on what? You know that he was forced to apologize how?
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On November 20 2011 23:43 Defacer wrote:
Naniwa didn't cheat. He did what a lot of great players in all sports do.
I don't see why starcraft players should emulate the European football diving extravaganza.
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On November 21 2011 00:42 MasterKush wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:25 Kimla wrote:
Nestea played really bad and his fans are really angry kinda funny. Get over it. No, I'm not a Nestea fan. I don't watch the GSL and I play as Terran, so don't even try to tell me I have some kind of "zerg bias". However, I like watching people who are respectful and talented at the same time and what Naniwa did yesterday was not respectful to Nestea. Period. Why is it so hard for some people on this forum to understand that there are mature people in this community that don't want to see the kind of behaviour that Naniwa demonstrated yesterday? I think I am right when I say, we're the people that actually want ESPORTS to grow and become more recognised, and having one of the best players in the world (yes, I recognise that Naniwa is) saying that the tournament is a "joke" live on the stream does not benefit anyone. Let me put this out there. How do you know that the people from ESPN that MLG have been in contact with, are not sitting at home watching the tournament to get a better understanding of everything. What do you think their reactions are when they see what happened yesterday? I can't imagine they look up to it like some people do on here.
NesTea said he would crush NaNiwa. That is not respectful. He shouldn't have called the tournament a joke, of course it is wrong, but IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.
On November 21 2011 00:47 Nivoh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 23:43 Defacer wrote:
Naniwa didn't cheat. He did what a lot of great players in all sports do. I don't see why starcraft players should emulate the European football diving extravaganza.
Funny thing, in my country we say that our players should be like european players in the sense to dive less. ):
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On November 21 2011 00:44 Ym!r wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:33 Blondinbengt wrote:On November 21 2011 00:24 Snowen wrote:On November 21 2011 00:18 MasterKush wrote:On November 21 2011 00:11 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:10 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:
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2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT! On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:
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You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not! But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it He never said "Nestea's decision to pull drones was idiotic." That's just the truth. What he said was: "I thought he was going to do some smart shit, like a hidden hatchery but it turns out he's just an idiot." So please, for the love of god, stop blindly defending him just because you think he is a good player and you look up to him. We all know he is obviously one of the best protoss players in the world right now but that does not excuse the kind of behaviour we saw from him. Forgetting everything else, you never call the tournament you're playing in a "joke", especially live on the stream to potentially hundreds of thousands of people. Please try and convince me that this statement of his was justified. I don't care if he apologised, the point is he made a mistake and mistakes have consequences. Again, Naniwa's first language is NOT ENGLISH.. Words can be misused easily. And I doubt he even said "hes just an idiot".. Find me the clip. He just said what it is, an idiotic move to send your drones in that situation. If he was speaking sweden, I bet it would be a non-issue, but since hes speaking a foreign language, its easy to use the wrong words.. His behavior is not any worse than someone like IdrA saying "fuck you" in the middle of a match at a prior MLG. I think thats significantly worse than someone who was not allowed to go use the washroom before a game being upset.. Try playing a huge match against the best zerg in the world without using the washroom because the admins wouldn't allow you to, not very fun. And then for them to host the wrong map. And lets be honest, Nestea sending his drones in game 3 WAS an idiotic move. That lost him the game for sure. If it was anyone else besides Nestea or IdrA doing it, Artosis and etc would of called it a stupid move on the spot too. I don't have any insight into Naniwas mind so I have no idea what he actually meant to say or what his opinion of Nestea is, but I will say that in Swedish (atleast where I live) saying things along the lines of ''damn, you're dumb'' (I'm being extremely general with the translation) in the context of someone doing something stupid/clumsy etc.etc is pretty much the same as saying something along the lines of ''¨that was very dumb of you'' and isn't necesserily seen as a personal insult but more as a general poke at a dumb thing someone did. Like I said, I can't claim any insight into his thinking, but I wouldn't be surprised if Naniwa simply didn't rephrase a Swedish expression properly and it came out wrong. Naniwa didn't say that Nestea sending his drones in game 3 was idiot, that's what he said he meant on twitter. But seriously dude, if you say to someone you've never talked to "you're dumb" you think it means "that was dumb" ? Don't be a fool please ... Nestea is not Naniwa's friend, saying Nestea is idiot has no other meanings, and when you say "he is an idiot", i don't see how Naniwa can say he didn't mean that, anyone with 50 english words knowledge would know that.
You misread what he wrote; in SWEDEN, the phrase "You're dumb" is just like saying "that was dumb" in AMERICA.. You have to understand we have players from places OTHER than USA, and their terminology and meaning can get lost when translating outside of their native language.
He makes a great point how things get mistrued in translation; im sure it comes across often for Koreans too (remember "Koreans own white dudes"??)
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On November 21 2011 00:47 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:42 MasterKush wrote:On November 21 2011 00:25 Kimla wrote:
Nestea played really bad and his fans are really angry kinda funny. Get over it. No, I'm not a Nestea fan. I don't watch the GSL and I play as Terran, so don't even try to tell me I have some kind of "zerg bias". However, I like watching people who are respectful and talented at the same time and what Naniwa did yesterday was not respectful to Nestea. Period. Why is it so hard for some people on this forum to understand that there are mature people in this community that don't want to see the kind of behaviour that Naniwa demonstrated yesterday? I think I am right when I say, we're the people that actually want ESPORTS to grow and become more recognised, and having one of the best players in the world (yes, I recognise that Naniwa is) saying that the tournament is a "joke" live on the stream does not benefit anyone. Let me put this out there. How do you know that the people from ESPN that MLG have been in contact with, are not sitting at home watching the tournament to get a better understanding of everything. What do you think their reactions are when they see what happened yesterday? I can't imagine they look up to it like some people do on here. NesTea said he would crush NaNiwa. That is not respectful. He shouldn't have called the tournament a joke, of course it is wrong, but IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.
Someone other than IdrA was sorta BM! ALERT THE NATIONAL GUARD!
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On November 21 2011 00:47 turamn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:46 Ym!r wrote:On November 21 2011 00:44 theBALLS wrote:
yeah nani has quite an attitude, but at least he had the balls to apologize for it.
Whatever the drama, it's good for esports :D He was forced to apologize, it doesn't have anything to do with balls, sorry. And you base that on what? You know that he was forced to apologize how?
I didn't mean forced by someone, i mean he figured he HAD to apologize.
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On November 21 2011 00:46 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:43 paintfive wrote:On November 21 2011 00:40 FeUerFlieGe wrote:On November 21 2011 00:29 DystopiaX wrote:On November 21 2011 00:27 Zalithian wrote:On November 21 2011 00:26 SlimeBagly wrote:
players having personalities is good for ESPORTS Being a douchebag =/= having a personality BMing works for IdrA, why not for Nani? Well Naniwa attacked the player himself, IdrA usually attacks the race. naniwa's comment wasn't even INGAME! It was just a joke, listen to the actual video. "IdrA usually attacks the race." LOL Idra BMs people outright ingame. I think there may be some screenshots to back me up on this. IdrA BM's players like Cruncher, Silver, and Drewbie Not MC, NesTea, MVP.
Actually idra said Nestea was bad... of course he won't say it now anymore tho... but only cause he knows even his biggest fanboys would know that's utter bs.
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On November 21 2011 00:44 Ym!r wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:33 Blondinbengt wrote:On November 21 2011 00:24 Snowen wrote:On November 21 2011 00:18 MasterKush wrote:On November 21 2011 00:11 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:10 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:
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2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT! On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:
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You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not! But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it He never said "Nestea's decision to pull drones was idiotic." That's just the truth. What he said was: "I thought he was going to do some smart shit, like a hidden hatchery but it turns out he's just an idiot." So please, for the love of god, stop blindly defending him just because you think he is a good player and you look up to him. We all know he is obviously one of the best protoss players in the world right now but that does not excuse the kind of behaviour we saw from him. Forgetting everything else, you never call the tournament you're playing in a "joke", especially live on the stream to potentially hundreds of thousands of people. Please try and convince me that this statement of his was justified. I don't care if he apologised, the point is he made a mistake and mistakes have consequences. Again, Naniwa's first language is NOT ENGLISH.. Words can be misused easily. And I doubt he even said "hes just an idiot".. Find me the clip. He just said what it is, an idiotic move to send your drones in that situation. If he was speaking sweden, I bet it would be a non-issue, but since hes speaking a foreign language, its easy to use the wrong words.. His behavior is not any worse than someone like IdrA saying "fuck you" in the middle of a match at a prior MLG. I think thats significantly worse than someone who was not allowed to go use the washroom before a game being upset.. Try playing a huge match against the best zerg in the world without using the washroom because the admins wouldn't allow you to, not very fun. And then for them to host the wrong map. And lets be honest, Nestea sending his drones in game 3 WAS an idiotic move. That lost him the game for sure. If it was anyone else besides Nestea or IdrA doing it, Artosis and etc would of called it a stupid move on the spot too. I don't have any insight into Naniwas mind so I have no idea what he actually meant to say or what his opinion of Nestea is, but I will say that in Swedish (atleast where I live) saying things along the lines of ''damn, you're dumb'' (I'm being extremely general with the translation) in the context of someone doing something stupid/clumsy etc.etc is pretty much the same as saying something along the lines of ''¨that was very dumb of you'' and isn't necesserily seen as a personal insult but more as a general poke at a dumb thing someone did. Like I said, I can't claim any insight into his thinking, but I wouldn't be surprised if Naniwa simply didn't rephrase a Swedish expression properly and it came out wrong. Naniwa didn't say that Nestea sending his drones in game 3 was idiot, that's what he said he meant on twitter. But seriously dude, if you say to someone you've never talked to "you're dumb" you think it means "that was dumb" ? Don't be a fool please ... Nestea is not Naniwa's friend, saying Nestea is idiot has no other meanings, and when you say "he is an idiot", i don't see how Naniwa can say he didn't mean that, anyone with 50 english words knowledge would know that.
He tried to colour the laguage with "I thought he was a genius, but...." He picked the wrong word, fool would have been better. But Nani is not a english author, so it went wrong. This is a bit like google translating a korean text.
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People seem to love drama so much, they read what they want and make anything into cheating. Believe me I'm the last person to defend Naniwa but you guys are taking it too fucking far.
- Even IF Nani was watching the replay of that regame (which could only have gone on for 1-2 minutes max) he saw nothing that he couldn't see by simply click the match history and check it there. If it's against the rules to check the replay after a game (I haven't read the rules) then I think it warrants a warning but not because he "cheated" he simply just broke a tournament rule.
- Watching the interview, I don't see how anyone can think Naniwa is calling Nestea an idiot. He's simply stating that he thinks that there are better ZvP:ers out there and that Nestea pulling his drones was an idiot move. Not that Nestea is a "bad idiot" that some people seem to interprent it as.
- Nestea, due to getting wrongly informed about the contents of the interview, then goes ahead and says he'll crush Naniwa in the rematch, Naniwa finds out about this
- Naniwa wins the rematch 2-1, gives Nestea thumbs down, seeing how Nestea said he was going to "crush him".
Talk about blowing things way out of proportion.
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On November 21 2011 00:49 Ym!r wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:47 turamn wrote:On November 21 2011 00:46 Ym!r wrote:On November 21 2011 00:44 theBALLS wrote:
yeah nani has quite an attitude, but at least he had the balls to apologize for it.
Whatever the drama, it's good for esports :D He was forced to apologize, it doesn't have anything to do with balls, sorry. And you base that on what? You know that he was forced to apologize how? I didn't mean forced by someone, i mean he figured he HAD to apologize.
Yes, you do have to apologize. It's common courtesy if you're not a douche. How does this change anything?
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I don't know how anyone would get it in their head that Naniwa cheated:
1) the mlg rules don't state anything about replay watching
2) the build order shows up on the score screen if you regame
3) mlg told the complexity guy to enter the booth, it wasn't naniwa's decision and there's no reason to assume he talked to him about what nestea was doing
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On November 21 2011 00:44 Ym!r wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:33 Blondinbengt wrote:On November 21 2011 00:24 Snowen wrote:On November 21 2011 00:18 MasterKush wrote:On November 21 2011 00:11 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:10 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:
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2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT! On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:
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You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not! But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it He never said "Nestea's decision to pull drones was idiotic." That's just the truth. What he said was: "I thought he was going to do some smart shit, like a hidden hatchery but it turns out he's just an idiot." So please, for the love of god, stop blindly defending him just because you think he is a good player and you look up to him. We all know he is obviously one of the best protoss players in the world right now but that does not excuse the kind of behaviour we saw from him. Forgetting everything else, you never call the tournament you're playing in a "joke", especially live on the stream to potentially hundreds of thousands of people. Please try and convince me that this statement of his was justified. I don't care if he apologised, the point is he made a mistake and mistakes have consequences. Again, Naniwa's first language is NOT ENGLISH.. Words can be misused easily. And I doubt he even said "hes just an idiot".. Find me the clip. He just said what it is, an idiotic move to send your drones in that situation. If he was speaking sweden, I bet it would be a non-issue, but since hes speaking a foreign language, its easy to use the wrong words.. His behavior is not any worse than someone like IdrA saying "fuck you" in the middle of a match at a prior MLG. I think thats significantly worse than someone who was not allowed to go use the washroom before a game being upset.. Try playing a huge match against the best zerg in the world without using the washroom because the admins wouldn't allow you to, not very fun. And then for them to host the wrong map. And lets be honest, Nestea sending his drones in game 3 WAS an idiotic move. That lost him the game for sure. If it was anyone else besides Nestea or IdrA doing it, Artosis and etc would of called it a stupid move on the spot too. I don't have any insight into Naniwas mind so I have no idea what he actually meant to say or what his opinion of Nestea is, but I will say that in Swedish (atleast where I live) saying things along the lines of ''damn, you're dumb'' (I'm being extremely general with the translation) in the context of someone doing something stupid/clumsy etc.etc is pretty much the same as saying something along the lines of ''¨that was very dumb of you'' and isn't necesserily seen as a personal insult but more as a general poke at a dumb thing someone did. Like I said, I can't claim any insight into his thinking, but I wouldn't be surprised if Naniwa simply didn't rephrase a Swedish expression properly and it came out wrong. Naniwa didn't say that Nestea sending his drones in game 3 was idiot, that's what he said he meant on twitter. But seriously dude, if you say to someone you've never talked to "you're dumb" you think it means "that was dumb" ? Don't be a fool please ... Nestea is not Naniwa's friend, saying Nestea is idiot has no other meanings, and when you say "he is an idiot", i don't see how Naniwa can say he didn't mean that, anyone with 50 english words knowledge would know that.
Read my post again, please.
My entire point was that there are expressions used in some languages that when translated directly word for word hold a very different meaning in another language.
Yes, in Sweden I would be perfectly comfortable saying ''you're dumb'' (once again, very loosely translated) in the context of a person doing something dumb/weird/clumsy and I would expect them to take it as a light-hearted poke rather than a slight to their intelligence, just the same as I would take it if someone said it to me in that context.
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Nestea lost, just get over it.
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On November 21 2011 00:44 Ym!r wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:33 Blondinbengt wrote:On November 21 2011 00:24 Snowen wrote:On November 21 2011 00:18 MasterKush wrote:On November 21 2011 00:11 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:10 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:
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2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match.
5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT! On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:
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You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not! But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it He never said "Nestea's decision to pull drones was idiotic." That's just the truth. What he said was: "I thought he was going to do some smart shit, like a hidden hatchery but it turns out he's just an idiot." So please, for the love of god, stop blindly defending him just because you think he is a good player and you look up to him. We all know he is obviously one of the best protoss players in the world right now but that does not excuse the kind of behaviour we saw from him. Forgetting everything else, you never call the tournament you're playing in a "joke", especially live on the stream to potentially hundreds of thousands of people. Please try and convince me that this statement of his was justified. I don't care if he apologised, the point is he made a mistake and mistakes have consequences. Again, Naniwa's first language is NOT ENGLISH.. Words can be misused easily. And I doubt he even said "hes just an idiot".. Find me the clip. He just said what it is, an idiotic move to send your drones in that situation. If he was speaking sweden, I bet it would be a non-issue, but since hes speaking a foreign language, its easy to use the wrong words.. His behavior is not any worse than someone like IdrA saying "fuck you" in the middle of a match at a prior MLG. I think thats significantly worse than someone who was not allowed to go use the washroom before a game being upset.. Try playing a huge match against the best zerg in the world without using the washroom because the admins wouldn't allow you to, not very fun. And then for them to host the wrong map. And lets be honest, Nestea sending his drones in game 3 WAS an idiotic move. That lost him the game for sure. If it was anyone else besides Nestea or IdrA doing it, Artosis and etc would of called it a stupid move on the spot too. I don't have any insight into Naniwas mind so I have no idea what he actually meant to say or what his opinion of Nestea is, but I will say that in Swedish (atleast where I live) saying things along the lines of ''damn, you're dumb'' (I'm being extremely general with the translation) in the context of someone doing something stupid/clumsy etc.etc is pretty much the same as saying something along the lines of ''¨that was very dumb of you'' and isn't necesserily seen as a personal insult but more as a general poke at a dumb thing someone did. Like I said, I can't claim any insight into his thinking, but I wouldn't be surprised if Naniwa simply didn't rephrase a Swedish expression properly and it came out wrong. Naniwa didn't say that Nestea sending his drones in game 3 was idiot, that's what he said he meant on twitter. But seriously dude, if you say to someone you've never talked to "you're dumb" you think it means "that was dumb" ? Don't be a fool please ... Nestea is not Naniwa's friend, saying Nestea is idiot has no other meanings, and when you say "he is an idiot", i don't see how Naniwa can say he didn't mean that, anyone with 50 english words knowledge would know that.
FFS, he DID say that sending the drones in game 3 of the Invitational was idiotic. please stop picking and choosing quotes. Look what i Can Do:
OMG you said " Nestead is an idiot"
See what i did there? i picked somthing from what you just said! omg you called nestea an idiot lololol.
Please, people should 1) actually go watch the invterview he did, and 2) stop saying that he cheated based on 1, seriously biased reddit post, and actually look at that facts.
Game 3 of there 2 game against each other, its comming down to the final game, tensions are going to be high, and we have seen before what Nani is like in these situations (CHILL GET OUT!). He went to the toilet after that since he was denied it before that game, and now there was some down time. The manage was sent to the booth to Tell him a message from Sundace (the CEO of MLG) about the un called for pause, based on bad info nani got from an admin. The Thumbs down after the game was in respose to NESTEA saying that he was going to "destory Naniwa in this re-match, since he could have won all the Games they played in the invitational, he just didnt"
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you guys have no idea how hard it is to learn not only english but the way USA talks, it is not just word for word...
you are giving an interview with using another language, so, picking bad words to express what you want happens a lot.
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This replay thing is so retarded.
Like many others have stated YOU CAN WATCH THE BUILD ORDER IN MATCH HISTORY
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On November 20 2011 23:42 Robinsa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 23:41 Insomni7 wrote:
Could someone explain what happened or give a link? I didn't get to watch the second nani vs. nestea series.
I think this explains it quite well: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/mimu3/naniwas_thoughts_on_mlg/c318uabShow nested quote +
Throwaway
So I was sitting in the front row of the main stage while this whole thing went down. Let me try to give some context.
BEFORE the ordeal with the map happened, another ordeal happened. I caught in the chat one of the players saying that they needed to use the W.C. before the match started (I don't know which one it was), to which the admin responded "no, we have to start now". Then RedB said "ask your admin" to which the admin in the chat responded "we're going now" and they immediately cut to the ads on the player screens.
At that point Artosis and Tasteless are still on the screen, but the match had started. Then Tasteless says something about "NaNiWa says he's going to pause the match.... we have to sort this out" - at which point I realized that it was NaNiWa that had to use the bathroom, and after about a minute of play (which was never put on the screen), paused the match. That's when they cut to the paused game in which there was OVER a minute of play time played. At this point, nobody really did anything, until the admins on stage realized that it was a horrible situation and they had to let him go to the bathroom (I get that they were late to start with... but it seems unreasonable to start a match when one of your players isn't ready because of time issues). That's when they cut away, NaNiWa left the booth (presumably to go to the bathroom). NesTea looks pretty pissed at this point (as pissed as you can imagine NesTea looking). The coach comes over to the booth and tells him he can go to the bathroom, and he's like but dude I'm already settled (I could tell because of his body language), and then finally agrees to go anyway.
They both get back and they decide to restart the match.
EXCEPT.
NaNiWa got back before NesTea (I believe), but in any case, he quickly pulled up the replay from the match before anybody could stop him. As soon as the official on the stage realized, he went into the booth to tell him to stop, but it was too late, NaNiWa had already seen the starting position of NesTea. This went largely unnoticed.
So they restart the match, and as soon as NaNiWa's scouting probe gets to the cross base and sees nothing there, he paused the game and said "?" "wrong map?". At this point one of the admins approaches the booth, but then he posts "admin told me cross only\", which was, in my opinion, very smart on his part, so that the audience knew what was going on and they couldn't just shut him up.
At this point he talks to the admin, and the admin immediately looks defeated. The admin then walks over and talks to a couple of other people. This is when Sundance arrived, and joined the conversation. The admins then talked to all of the other officials on the stage, presumably asking if anyone had told NaNiWa that the map should be cross positions.
This is where the story diverges. I think that one of two things happened.
(1) Somebody actually told him this but nobody would cop up to it. In NaNiWa's mind, seeing the spawn in the replay reaffirmed the "fact" that the official had told him earlier. (2) Nobody actually told him this, but since he saw the replay, he assumed it would be cross position again and was pissed when he realized his cheese wouldn't be as effective.
I could see the lead admin guy ask and look at all of the other officials on the stage, to which people were shaking their heads, as if everyone was agreeing that nobody told him this. At that point, the official went back in the booth to break the bad news to NaNiWa. NaNiWa was PISSED, visually repeating "NO, NO, NO!". It was apparent that he felt cheated, which I believe that he actually was. If he was told cross spawns, and it wasn't, that could seriously mess up your entire game, and in my opinion, the game should have been replayed.
After the official left, he typed the rest of the text, "joke tournament" and "give me a minute to rethink".
Here is why I think that option (1) is more likely.
The officials allowed NaNiWa's coach INTO THE PLAYER BOOTH with 1:47 on the clock and the game paused. The coach talked to NaNiWa for a minute or two before he left and shut the door. Then a few minutes later, gameplay resumed. Why would the officials let the coach in to re-strategize IN THE MIDDLE OF A MATCH if they didn't believe they were at fault?
This entire time, NesTea is sitting in his booth, looking defeated. At this point, it's over half an hour since the first attempt at this game had started, and he must not be in his proper mindset.
I feel really bad for both players, and for MLG. I feel bad for NesTea because he was put through this horrible ordeal, and the disruption in the normal flow likely contributed to the loss. I feel bad for NaNiWa, because I feel that he was told one thing about the spawns, and that he knew that MLG knew that they were wrong, and played anyway (regardless of the outcome.) And I feel bad for MLG because they were put into a tight spot... But they honestly could have avoided this two-fold. (1) Let him go to the bathroom when he requested before the countdown timer, and (2) if they felt that they were at fault (which I think is undeniable by the allowing the coach into the booth during the game), then they should have replayed the match.
Just my $.02
Holy shit those are some pretty serious accusations.
I'm waiting for an official statement from MLG to see what truly happened. This is clearly cheating but...he beat nestea again.
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On November 21 2011 00:50 dignitas.merz wrote:
People seem to love drama so much, they read what they want and make anything into cheating. Believe me I'm the last person to defend Naniwa but you guys are taking it too fucking far.
- Even IF Nani was watching the replay of that regame (which could only have gone on for 1-2 minutes max) he saw nothing that he couldn't see by simply click the match history and check it there. If it's against the rules to check the replay after a game (I haven't read the rules) then I think it warrants a warning but not because he "cheated" he simply just broke a tournament rule.
- Watching the interview, I don't see how anyone can think Naniwa is calling Nestea an idiot. He's simply stating that he thinks that there are better ZvP:ers out there and that Nestea pulling his drones was an idiot move. Not that Nestea is a "bad idiot" that some people seem to interprent it as.
- Nestea, due to getting wrongly informed about the contents of the interview, then goes ahead and says he'll crush Naniwa in the rematch, Naniwa finds out about this
- Naniwa wins the rematch 2-1, gives Nestea thumbs down, seeing how Nestea said he was going to "crush him".
Talk about blowing things way out of proportion.
Thank you for bringing some reasoning to this thread!
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