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kazie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
258 Posts
November 21 2011 01:18 GMT
#441
On November 21 2011 09:31 Mondieu wrote:
Why are there no TLDR's in the OP when it has like 4 pages of content -.-


tldr; naniwa is not a jerk
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
November 21 2011 01:18 GMT
#442
On November 21 2011 10:01 metbull wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 09:44 Mashmed wrote:
On November 21 2011 09:36 catabowl wrote:
After reading both sides, I think 2 things: Regame or Naniwa should have received a loss.

Whether it was intentional or not, Naniwa gained an unfair advantage equivalent to a "MH" use for the first 2 minutes. If I had someone watch the game, I then said pause please... and had a spectator come up and say... no pool yet...

HUGE advantage for me.

Now whether this happened or not is not the point and you are missing the truth. I don't care if Naniwa is playing the best he has ever done, he received an unfair advantage during the game. Just like the Patriots and "spygate," the team was fined for basically "cheating" in a form or fashion. If he wins MLG Providence, some will remember this as the MLG where Naniwa cheated... others will remember it as the day Foreigners said we are here, and some will just remember the ZvZ's and no Terrans.

I will probably remember this as Naniwa cheated... and then 3 months when I look at all the MLG events I will probably have forgotten how Naniwa won other than how good he was. That being said, this is almost as bad as a missed call by a ref in a World Series game, World Cup game, or any other major event.

Such a long post for nothing... He did not get any information from his coach bbecause there was an mlg admin with the coach...

but what language were nani and his coach using?
Cause I don't think I'd purposely use a non-native language to communicate if i didn't have to. So who knows what was communicated for sure. Unless the admin know's nani's native lang.

Eh, col is not a Swedish team, why would he have a Swedish coach?...
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
November 21 2011 01:21 GMT
#443
Didn't really follow the whole story, but all I see is Naniwa apologized for something, so that should be the end of any 'drama.' Anyone who isn't satisfied with that needs to chill out. Naniwa made a mistake and apologized for it; he even admitted that he felt put on the spot. Not many people have the balls to admit they aren't the best public speakers.
ToD
Profile Joined December 2008
France222 Posts
November 21 2011 01:40 GMT
#444
players should always be allowed to use the bathroom between games, we are not robots.

I'm pretty sure naniwa didnt call nestea an idiot, but probably meant to say that the way he played a game was idiotic which is not a good thing, but not nearly as bad as a lot of ppl seem to say

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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
November 21 2011 01:41 GMT
#445
On November 21 2011 09:31 Mondieu wrote:
Why are there no TLDR's in the OP when it has like 4 pages of content -.-


because you should read it, and because TL;DR's are where misconceptions are made -.-
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Tabashi
Profile Joined June 2011
Belgium129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 02:58:55
November 21 2011 02:52 GMT
#446
Naniwa has always had problems with the way he communicates in public (too arrogant) but I'm almost sure he didn't mean to insult Nestea at all. Nestea is one of the most respected SC2 players in the world and it would make no sense for Naniwa to insult him.
About the "cheating": the only persons responsible for that are the MLG admins. You can't blame the players if it is in fact the admins that have given them false information.

Anyway, feel free to believe what you based on the facts given in the OP.

EDIT: For the people that are wondering what Nani and his manager were taking about when he entered the booth: obviously not strategical points (manager != coach) + there were MLG admins standing next to them and I don't think they would have allowed any other language than english, that, to avoid revealing crucial information to Nani (and I don't think coL has a swedish manager anyway, but I could be wrong about that last part).
"I'll be the hero you deserve." - HerO, aKa the Batman Protoss
sunman1g
Profile Joined May 2011
United States334 Posts
November 21 2011 02:59 GMT
#447
give the guy a break you can clearly tell that he's not the best at communicating in english.
he did not mean to disrespect nestea

why does the sc2 community have to create so much drama for every little thing
Bart
Profile Joined November 2010
494 Posts
November 21 2011 03:10 GMT
#448
I think we can safely guess who Nestea picks to be in his group in the next Code S group selection hehe
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Fan of: MKP, Select, MC, Kripp, Purge, JP, Qpad Red Pandas
HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
November 21 2011 03:12 GMT
#449
Not letting go to the bathroom in between games is just plain dumb...unless they JUST gave him a break.....
Unnamezz
Profile Joined May 2010
Malaysia191 Posts
November 21 2011 03:14 GMT
#450
On November 21 2011 12:12 HuKPOWA wrote:
Not letting go to the bathroom in between games is just plain dumb...unless they JUST gave him a break.....


Why you don't go to the w.c before the game/match is actually really started?
Lazy and Sleepy
apalemorning
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 03:31:44
November 21 2011 03:30 GMT
#451
On November 21 2011 11:59 sunman1g wrote:
why does the sc2 community have to create so much drama for every little thing

lol, any scene is like that. music scene, art scene. i know this from first hand experience. the drama in the sc2 scene is fairly tame compared to what i've experienced. i don't want to toss around the term "human nature" but modern society almost thrives on drama.
immortal/roach is pretty good against stalkers
alexey350
Profile Joined August 2010
United States22 Posts
November 21 2011 03:31 GMT
#452
Naniwa with the awesome run. Some miscommunication and misinformation made him out to be the villain which is a little unfair. He's an amazing player!
"The doer alone learneth." - Friedrich Nietzsche
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
November 21 2011 04:04 GMT
#453
Nani making a classy move imo.
definitely respect him more by settling the drama.
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 04:45:16
November 21 2011 04:42 GMT
#454
Who cares if Naniwa insulted Nestea, serious or playful. The games were simply that more exciting; brb quoting MC vs IdrA- but it's okay to insult IdrA because IdrA BM's sometimes too.

Let's just invite kespa over so every player has to have the exact same personality.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 04:47:27
November 21 2011 04:46 GMT
#455
I just have to say that people are blowing this drama way out of proportion.

Really, not everyone is hating on Naniwa. Remember that on the internet its just too easy for a few vocal people to seem like a minority.

The booing was indeed lame, but oh well it was not something too bad. Just regular drama from reddit and Tl. Everybody will forget it in 1 week and go back to balance whinning about the FotM race/

E: And people really need to get over this drama. Naniwa even apologized about his comments. I guess the internet mob never is pleased.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
November 21 2011 04:52 GMT
#456
On November 21 2011 12:14 Unnamezz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 12:12 HuKPOWA wrote:
Not letting go to the bathroom in between games is just plain dumb...unless they JUST gave him a break.....


Why you don't go to the w.c before the game/match is actually really started?

Why would I go to the washroom before game 1 if I don't have to piss? If I have to piss after game 1 then I better be allowed to get up and go.

There's "downtime" between sets for a reason, and that should include the occasional washroom break.
#TeamBuLba
doner0
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States233 Posts
November 21 2011 04:58 GMT
#457
i think what should be talked about is Sundance's recent tweets. Naniwa just said that Nestea's strategy was dumb not that nestea is dumb. Sundance is a figure head for the public opinion about esports as a whole and what he did actually was destroying the credibility of esports and mlg as a corporation
Jnai
Profile Joined September 2010
United States442 Posts
November 21 2011 06:02 GMT
#458
On November 21 2011 13:46 windsupernova wrote:
The booing was indeed lame, but oh well it was not something too bad. Just regular drama from reddit and Tl. Everybody will forget it in 1 week and go back to balance whinning about the FotM race/


I was at the venue and booed when he was introduced for his last few matches.

I think if he wants to be an ass then he's got every right to do so, but as far as I'm concerned he can reap what he sows. He showed up Nestea, a legendary player who came thousands of miles to play, he put "this tournament is a joke" on the screens on stage, he stormed out of his booth and was refusing to play, and he generally acted like an ass during interviews. I would say about 75% of the people around me were rooting against him during the finals. Imagine that - a foreigner was playing a Korean in the finals of MLG and most of the crowd was cheering openly for the Korean!

I thought his play was brilliant, but that doesn't excuse the rest of it.
HawaiianPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada5155 Posts
November 21 2011 06:08 GMT
#459
This thread has lived out its life.

It began life as a young thread with lots of potential... but that potential was not that it was destined for good things. No. On the contrary; this thread had the makings of a colossal train-wreck. A wise man once said, "Live fast and die young."

If this is not proof of that maxim, I know not what is, dear gents.

This thread has died young.

In its short life it has done the following things:

1. Provided users a place for people to bash various players.
2. Provided users a place to levy, defend and analyze to death accusations of cheating
3. Provided users a place to blow out of proportion or gravely understate the happenings of the fine event this weekend.
4. Provided moderators with countless reports of idiocy and contemptible posts.

There's nothing to be said that hasn't been said. Let us commend this thread to the deep, and leave simply a lonely rose on its grave. It gave us an outlet, but that outlet is no longer necessary.

Goodnight, sweet thread.
AdministratorNot actually Hawaiian.
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