EPTNaniwa's twitter response to all the drama - Page 11
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sraelgaiznaer
Philippines423 Posts
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SnowfaLL
Canada730 Posts
On November 21 2011 00:57 nufcrulz wrote: Wow Reddit really bungled up again. I'm not gonna trust anymore comments from that site. As many people have mentioned, I don't see what the big fuss about it was about. For people who are hating on Naniwa: 1) Calling Nestea an idiot. (pretty sure this was down to english being his second language. He already apologized and said that this was not what he meant) 2) Going to the toilet when the game started/attempted cheating?? (he actually wanted to go before the game but the admins refused cause they were running late. in the end they were forced to let him go after the game had started) 3) Cheating by watching the replay of the previous unfinished game (you can see the build orders for the game in the score screen anyway, so it's not like he got any unfair advantage. also, nothing in the rules that prevents this) 4) Pausing the game after it started because he was told by an admin that map was only cross spawns (from what i've been reading it seems that Naniwa was pretty adamant that he was told cross spawns only, and the fact that MLG let the coach in to the booth during the pause after the game had started shows that he might've been right / although people may argue that Naniwa chose the wrong map and was trying to cover his tracks which could also be a valid point) 5) Letting the coach into the booth after 1 minute of the match had passed (allowed by MLG, apparently Sundance went into the booth as well) 7) Calling MLG a joke tournament (probably a heat of the moment thing. but i can understand how he feels considering 1) wasn't allowed to go to the toilet before the game 2) given wrong information about a map (if what he said was true). anyway he apologized for this as well) 8) Thumbs down (banter after Nestea told him he would beat him easily, misconstrued by many here) I bet if this all happened during a Naniwa vs Idra match people wouldn't have made anything of all this. This all mainly stems from people for some reason not liking Naniwa and Nestea being viewed as the almighty GOD of SC2 (which i don't believe to be true) I think this post (besides the last paragraph) should be edited into the first post, so people can have an UNBIASED view of what really happened. Or at least someone make a new thread explaining this to the people who only hear what Reddit says. People need to hear the truth instead of the lies of Nestea fans trying to justify the loss of their hero. | ||
MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
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Kisra
United Kingdom466 Posts
He said something a little silly, but you're dealing with two people who aren't fluent in English. Add in the Swedes' tendancy to be very frank and blunt with language and the Koreans' pride/emphasis on respect and yeah, its perhaps a little tender. Nestea had every right to feel annoyed at Naniwa's comment and even responded saying he was going to crush him. He didn't. So Naniwa is then fairly justified in giving Nestea a thumbs-down after that boast. I mean, if we're going to get anal over word usage, to imply you're going to crush someone makes it sound like a one-sided stomp. Guess Nestea got a bit humbled there. Honestly this whole thing will be resolved when the parties involve meet face to face with a moment to talk outside of a competitive environment. Understand this: this is an incredibly high stress environment they are in. They aren't chatting around a pub table being all relaxed or talking over an internet forum. They're competing for thousands of dollars infront of thousands of people and at the very least we know Naniwa is incredibly emotionally invested in his games. I think we know enough of Naniwa's character to know he respects Nestea, MVP, and all the top players. People are just... hunting for things to complain about. What saddens me the most perhaps is that this post will be lost in a sea of people either saying this is outrageous and Nani should be punished, or Nani is a child, or similar posts about how people are overreacting. Sometimes get the feeling that posting on this forum or reading half the threads isnt worth the time, its a hundred people shouting their opinion and reading nothing to the one person reading threads and thinking. I'll finish with this: On November 21 2011 00:29 Jibba wrote: Summary of 95% of SC2 drama: reddit is full of idiots | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On November 21 2011 01:05 MLG_Adam wrote: To be clear, players were given ample opportunity to use the bathroom prior to the series starting (bathroom breaks are covered in our written rules). The bathroom requests had zero to do with the pausing after the initial restart, it was Naniwa thinking that the map was wrong due to not having forced cross spawns. actually your admin lied to cover up his mistake of telling naniwa that it was cross spawn. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
As English is not my mother tongue, I do not have the right words to express, how much stupidity I have seen since I started to read about this "issue" . For the love of God, let the players say what do they relaly think! And the paramount of stupidity is mixing this with the issue whether Naniwa was cheating. It is completely unrelated! Chetaing is not better, if you talk politely meanwhile. I am very sad that I see more and more of this shit about what players can or cannot say. Even worse is when people argue that it is somehow neccessary, if we want to make SC2 a real sport. What the fuck? The only real sport you can ever imagine is played by living zombies with no personalities? Maybe you should all join the business of professional offence taking, I have heard it is on the rise now! I am really considering to stop reading TL at all. Most of the fun is already gone, having been replaced with fake seriousness. | ||
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MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
On November 21 2011 01:06 nath wrote: actually your admin lied to cover up his mistake of telling naniwa that it was cross spawn. Not true. | ||
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HMzK
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chickenhawk
Portugal339 Posts
To be clear, players were given ample opportunity to use the bathroom prior to the series starting (bathroom breaks are covered in our written rules). The bathroom requests had zero to do with the pausing after the initial restart, it was Naniwa thinking that the map was wrong due to not having forced cross spawns. In SC2 a couple of games can take 1 hour or more, not allowing players to go to the bathroom is a bit overkill. Even in tennis you can ask for a 3 minute brake to go to the bathroom. Yes having a timetable is important, but you must allow players to have time too, do not forget, they are the stars. | ||
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mlspmatt
Canada404 Posts
And we as fans are are totally entitled to call him a douche-bag for it. | ||
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Zalithian
520 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
This is supposed to be an (E)-Sports and sports commentary and discussion should focus on matters of sport and not on gossiping around. Extensive reading of the MLG day 2 thread made me pretty ashamed of where we are apparently. | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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cmen15
United States1519 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:53 tnud wrote: It's not obviously cheating.. He went to the bathroom after being refused to go before the games started, viewing the replay gave him nothing that he didn't know from the score screen (and isn't against the rules), an MLG admin told him it was cross only therefore the pause and the confusion. I see nothing wrong. The "BM" thumbs down is seriously not anything you can even discuss.. Players do this all the time and it's fun and laughs, why is it different now? Thank you... someone has some common sense. | ||
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Thrill
2599 Posts
On November 21 2011 00:59 Jiddra wrote: Post interview with naniwa, explainin what happend in game 3. He claims MLG admin fucked up, and lied about it, interesting. Yeah, this should be in the OP tbh. Nice clarifications. | ||
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almins
Wales39 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
Frankly, i have stopped to care about this kind of stuff. If i would be interested in who doesnt like whom and who said this and that i would read a boulevard paper or watch some cheap boulevard TV format, where i am informed why "Brangelina" are adopting another cild and where Britney and Paris where out last night. But i do not care at all and i imagined the sc2 community would neither care for such kinds of sensationalism about absurd scandals and gossip. This is supposed to be an (E)-Sports and sports commentary and discussion should focus on matters of sport and not on gossiping around. Extensive reading of the MLG day 2 thread made me pretty ashamed of where we are apparently. To my opinion there is still a lot to do on the "growing up" front for the whole scene, especially on aspects of absurdly overmeasured fanboyism, balance/racial whining and the overall attitude of Sportsmanship. | ||
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tnud
Sweden2233 Posts
On November 21 2011 01:09 Zalithian wrote: So MLG_Adam and Sundance have refuted Naniwa's claims, yet the majority will continue to believe Naniwa, shocking. MLG_Adam and Sundance have cleared Naniwa lol, how can you possibly misinterpret that too? After extensive investigation, review of the video files and 2011 Pro Circuit rules, we have determined that the replay had no impact on the tournament flow or the match results. Build orders are displayed at the end of a match on the stats screen. So the replay that was viewed would have revealed nothing the match stats page would not have revealed otherwise. Additionally, to clarify, the Complexity manager was allowed in the booth, accompanied by MLG staff, after the match had started in order to keep the game in motion after a discrepancy with his player that would have impacted the continuation of the game. Moving forward, we will look at rules outlawing any replay views on a tournament PC + + Show Spoiler [youtube] + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlgxPBTscf0&feature=channel_video_title Naniwa explaining the situation. | ||
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Zalithian
520 Posts
MLG_Adam and Sundance have cleared Naniwa lol, how can you possibly misinterpret that too? On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote: Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't? The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved. There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event. - MLG_Adam | ||
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