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On November 21 2011 00:18 MasterKush wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:11 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:10 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT! On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not! But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it He never said "Nestea's decision to pull drones was idiotic." That's just the truth. What he said was: "I thought he was going to do some smart shit, like a hidden hatchery but it turns out he's just an idiot." So please, for the love of god, stop blindly defending him just because you think he is a good player and you look up to him. We all know he is obviously one of the best protoss players in the world right now but that does not excuse the kind of behaviour we saw from him. Forgetting everything else, you never call the tournament you're playing in a "joke", especially live on the stream to potentially hundreds of thousands of people. Please try and convince me that this statement of his was justified. I don't care if he apologised, the point is he made a mistake and mistakes have consequences.
Of course calling the tournament a joke was completely unjustified and he was punished for it... wasn't he? I believe he got a technical foul or am I completely mistaken?
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thx naniwa for making this remarkably interesting.
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On November 21 2011 00:18 MasterKush wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:11 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:10 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT! On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not! But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it He never said "Nestea's decision to pull drones was idiotic." That's just the truth. What he said was: "I thought he was going to do some smart shit, like a hidden hatchery but it turns out he's just an idiot." So please, for the love of god, stop blindly defending him just because you think he is a good player and you look up to him. We all know he is obviously one of the best protoss players in the world right now but that does not excuse the kind of behaviour we saw from him. Forgetting everything else, you never call the tournament you're playing in a "joke", especially live on the stream to potentially hundreds of thousands of people. Please try and convince me that this statement of his was justified. I don't care if he apologised, the point is he made a mistake and mistakes have consequences.
Again, Naniwa's first language is NOT ENGLISH.. Words can be misused easily. And I doubt he even said "hes just an idiot".. Find me the clip. He just said what it is, an idiotic move to send your drones in that situation. If he was speaking sweden, I bet it would be a non-issue, but since hes speaking a foreign language, its easy to use the wrong words..
His behavior is not any worse than someone like IdrA saying "fuck you" in the middle of a match at a prior MLG. I think thats significantly worse than someone who was not allowed to go use the washroom before a game being upset.. Try playing a huge match against the best zerg in the world without using the washroom because the admins wouldn't allow you to, not very fun. And then for them to host the wrong map.
And lets be honest, Nestea sending his drones in game 3 WAS an idiotic move. That lost him the game for sure. If it was anyone else besides Nestea or IdrA doing it, Artosis and etc would of called it a stupid move on the spot too.
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On November 21 2011 00:21 Vinx wrote:
Wait... this is the wrong thread.. can I read it and then restart and cannon rush?
User was temp banned for this post.
sure you can, like in SC2.
"you know you can read the BO the moment your game ends.... so when people regame they automatically can see what build their opponent went without even watching the replay!"
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Nestea played really bad and his fans are really angry kinda funny. Get over it.
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players having personalities is good for ESPORTS
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On November 21 2011 00:24 [17]Purple wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:18 MasterKush wrote:On November 21 2011 00:11 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:10 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT! On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not! But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it He never said "Nestea's decision to pull drones was idiotic." That's just the truth. What he said was: "I thought he was going to do some smart shit, like a hidden hatchery but it turns out he's just an idiot." So please, for the love of god, stop blindly defending him just because you think he is a good player and you look up to him. We all know he is obviously one of the best protoss players in the world right now but that does not excuse the kind of behaviour we saw from him. Forgetting everything else, you never call the tournament you're playing in a "joke", especially live on the stream to potentially hundreds of thousands of people. Please try and convince me that this statement of his was justified. I don't care if he apologised, the point is he made a mistake and mistakes have consequences. Of course calling the tournament a joke was completely unjustified and he was punished for it... wasn't he? I believe he got a technical foul or am I completely mistaken?
Slasher claimed he did yesterday, but quickly changed his mind on that point. Haven't heard anything new on that subject after Slashers tweet about being wrong.
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On November 21 2011 00:26 SlimeBagly wrote:
players having personalities is good for ESPORTS
exactly, I'd take one naniwa over 20 "I will work harder for the fans" koreans any day.
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On November 21 2011 00:26 SlimeBagly wrote:
players having personalities is good for ESPORTS
Being a douchebag =/= having a personality
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
I don't like Naniwa at all (based on what we can see/hear, lol) but all this drama is interesting
Hope he didn't cheat though, that would suck
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On November 21 2011 00:27 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:26 SlimeBagly wrote:
players having personalities is good for ESPORTS Being a douchebag =/= having a personality
BMing works for IdrA, why not for Nani?
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On November 21 2011 00:01 SpurvL wrote:
So let's see if I have missed anything..
1, Nestea wins over Nani in Blizzcon
2, Naniwa wins in Global invitational over Nestea
->Calls Nestea an idiot and acts completely arrogant
3, Nestea Says he's gonna beat Naniwa the MLG-game
4, Naniwa says that MVP was harder to beat then Nestea and that Nesteas ZvP isnt as good as others
5, Naniwa wins game 1, loses game 2
6, Game 3 has trouble, Naniwa thinks that they play on an other Shakaurast then they do, wants a break to go to the bathroom, comes back and they keep playing it
->Naniwa fails to understand tourny rules, BM pauses to complain and cannon rush, then provides a stay classy thumbs down after providing two base all ins. someone's states he was watching Nestea's BO
7, Internet explodes and accuses Naniwa of cheating?
I am pretty sure that I have missed something..
FTFY
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United States22883 Posts
Summary of 95% of SC2 drama: reddit is full of idiots
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Sometimes I feel like not reading threads on TL.. Yet here I am. Some of you guys make me facepalm 
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I can understand people arguing over the drama that happened because of the pause and all. That's a pretty serious situation really. But the people hating on Naniwa cause he boo-ed Nestea after the game are fucking ridiculous. There was a shit ton of more BM stuff in the GSTL and MC and Idra do it like all the time.
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naniwa needs to grow up... simple as that, a lot of pro gamers, even koreans make that mistake. well... look at coca, he got disqualified or knock down from Code S because of his wrong doings in a tournament. if naniwa did that in korea.... oooooo he might not even be able to play in GSL
well who knows
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[–]Androide456 (_) 95 points 2 hours ago (110|17)
you know you can read the BO the moment your game ends.... so when people regame they automatically can see what build their opponent went without even watching the replay!
[–]InternetIsHard (_) 30 points 1 hour ago (34|4)
Exactly. The real blunder here was allowing the coach into the booth after the game started. And it's not even Naniwa's fault in this case.
People are also saying he got sent there with a message from an organizer.
[–]Kashii (_) [+1] 13 points 40 minutes ago (13|2)
The guy in the booth was giving Nani a message from Sundance about his unwarranted pause.
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Top three posts on the reddit thread. If the manager was sent in by sundance, i dont really see what the problem is, since he can see the BO from the score screen 2.
He didnt call neaste an idiot, he called the move to pull drone idiotic (also remeber that english isnt his first langugage), he saw nothing more from the replay than he would have done from the score screen, and the manager was sent from Sundace.
What is the problem here?
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On November 21 2011 00:29 Hubris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:01 SpurvL wrote:
So let's see if I have missed anything..
1, Nestea wins over Nani in Blizzcon
2, Naniwa wins in Global invitational over Nestea
->Calls Nestea an idiot and acts completely arrogant
3, Nestea Says he's gonna beat Naniwa the MLG-game
4, Naniwa says that MVP was harder to beat then Nestea and that Nesteas ZvP isnt as good as others
5, Naniwa wins game 1, loses game 2
6, Game 3 has trouble, Naniwa thinks that they play on an other Shakaurast then they do, wants a break to go to the bathroom, comes back and they keep playing it
->Naniwa fails to understand tourny rules, BM pauses to complain and cannon rush, then provides a stay classy thumbs down after providing two base all ins. someone's states he was watching Nestea's BO
7, Internet explodes and accuses Naniwa of cheating?
I am pretty sure that I have missed something.. FTFY
Thats funny to read considering in the first 2 games Nestea was pretty allin himself. And since when is drop-play a 2 base all-in?
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On November 21 2011 00:24 Snowen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:18 MasterKush wrote:On November 21 2011 00:11 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:10 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? He did not, people who say that haven't actually watched the interview! He called Nestea's decision to pull drones in game 3 a really bad move ("idiot move") and said there are better ZvPers out there. That's IT! On November 21 2011 00:09 andis35 wrote:On November 21 2011 00:08 [17]Purple wrote:On November 21 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:On November 21 2011 00:05 tnud wrote:On November 21 2011 00:03 swordboy wrote:2. No communication between Players and Spectators during a Match. 5. No excessive taunting or celebration by Coaches or Players. Excessive taunting or celebration includes, but is not limited to, post-Match taunting or celebration directed at or referencing an opposing Player(s) and/or Coach. Post-Match interactions between opposing Players and Coaches must be limited to acts of sportsmanship. You know very well that point 2 is very loosely enforced and that what MC did against MVP was far "worse" then a simple thumbs down. People are hating on naniwa for no reason :/ Spectators usually don't enter the booths during a paused game, also MC didnt call MVP an idiot after a match. nAni called NesTea an idiot after the match? Yes, in an col interview, later apologized as you can see in his tweets ASDLÖKMASDLKMASDLKMASDKLMNASD He did not! But oh yes, he did, and he even apologized for it himself, so I don't know why you're trying to deny it He never said "Nestea's decision to pull drones was idiotic." That's just the truth. What he said was: "I thought he was going to do some smart shit, like a hidden hatchery but it turns out he's just an idiot." So please, for the love of god, stop blindly defending him just because you think he is a good player and you look up to him. We all know he is obviously one of the best protoss players in the world right now but that does not excuse the kind of behaviour we saw from him. Forgetting everything else, you never call the tournament you're playing in a "joke", especially live on the stream to potentially hundreds of thousands of people. Please try and convince me that this statement of his was justified. I don't care if he apologised, the point is he made a mistake and mistakes have consequences. Again, Naniwa's first language is NOT ENGLISH.. Words can be misused easily. And I doubt he even said "hes just an idiot".. Find me the clip. He just said what it is, an idiotic move to send your drones in that situation. If he was speaking sweden, I bet it would be a non-issue, but since hes speaking a foreign language, its easy to use the wrong words.. His behavior is not any worse than someone like IdrA saying "fuck you" in the middle of a match at a prior MLG. I think thats significantly worse than someone who was not allowed to go use the washroom before a game being upset.. Try playing a huge match against the best zerg in the world without using the washroom because the admins wouldn't allow you to, not very fun. And then for them to host the wrong map. And lets be honest, Nestea sending his drones in game 3 WAS an idiotic move. That lost him the game for sure. If it was anyone else besides Nestea or IdrA doing it, Artosis and etc would of called it a stupid move on the spot too.
I don't have any insight into Naniwas mind so I have no idea what he actually meant to say or what his opinion of Nestea is, but I will say that in Swedish (atleast where I live) saying things along the lines of ''damn, you're dumb'' (I'm being extremely general with the translation) in the context of someone doing something stupid/clumsy etc.etc is pretty much the same as saying something along the lines of ''¨that was very dumb of you'' and isn't necesserily seen as a personal insult but more as a general poke at a dumb thing someone did.
Like I said, I can't claim any insight into his thinking, but I wouldn't be surprised if Naniwa simply didn't rephrase a Swedish expression properly and it came out wrong.
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On November 21 2011 00:29 Hubris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 00:01 SpurvL wrote:
So let's see if I have missed anything..
1, Nestea wins over Nani in Blizzcon
2, Naniwa wins in Global invitational over Nestea
->Calls Nestea an idiot and acts completely arrogant
3, Nestea Says he's gonna beat Naniwa the MLG-game
4, Naniwa says that MVP was harder to beat then Nestea and that Nesteas ZvP isnt as good as others
5, Naniwa wins game 1, loses game 2
6, Game 3 has trouble, Naniwa thinks that they play on an other Shakaurast then they do, wants a break to go to the bathroom, comes back and they keep playing it
->Naniwa fails to understand tourny rules, BM pauses to complain and cannon rush, then provides a stay classy thumbs down after providing two base all ins. someone's states he was watching Nestea's BO
7, Internet explodes and accuses Naniwa of cheating?
I am pretty sure that I have missed something.. FTFY
Oh god... you can see NesTea's build order from the score screen...
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