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On November 15 2011 07:47 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 07:45 iky43210 wrote:
who is Amanda, and why did she sign the bills instead of gus? Amanda was the Travel Agent Gus used to book all the airfare through, which accounted for almost every single player round-trip, and then got stiffed on the bills. IIRC Travel Agencies get better deals on flights, so they buy the tickets, and then get reimbursed by the client, and Gus never paid her.
This is my understanding too.
Not helping her means bad press for eSports and a potentially devastating outcome for one individual which is attributed to, even if only by association, a StarCraft II event. IGN do have some responsibility here, having lent their prestigeous name would have encouraged her to accept the risk.
Helping her makes a great story for eSports.
Fuck Gus. *Tunes in.*
Major props to not just IGN, but to the players (who I assume are donating their time).
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IPL - Pals of E-Sport, great initiative!
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Someone should beat up this Gus guy
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i dont have any money on me to donate.
but ill try cycle as many ads as i can to get you guys some revenue
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Hi AlexIGN, I think it's nice what you are doing but I have a question:
Reading here around it seems like this Gus guy is the evil mastermind, so why isn't he charged in a court?
I mean: people involved should have his personal details, and if he isn't paying people what he owns them there should be enough evidences for anything they want.
Shouldn't these guys go to the court instead of relying on internet guys to solve their problem?
Of course I'm not telling that donate is bad or whatever, nor that you are doing something bad <_<
I'd just like to know why things are going in this direction instead to the nearest police station.
If anyone else knows the answer I'm curious!
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Okay, I literally just told my wife we're not going out to dinner tonight because I gave $10 on this ahhaha. She was pretty mad until I explained what it was for more clearly and of course had to make it up by making her dinner now... Took 1 for the team.
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On November 15 2011 08:43 xBillehx wrote:
A bit conflicted cause I really wanna see Gus pay and this kind of lightens his responsibility so I can't justify myself donating. I mean ffs can't the travel agency just sue/report him to the cops or did they fuck up with no contract? However, since I am heading to bed right now I will at least toss the stream up.
I feel the same way, but at the end of the day my ten dollars or whatever i put in is to stop a poor girl having her life ruined.
The underlying problem here is lack of ability to actually punish Gus. We need an organisation with power to legally rape this guy. Alas.
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I just donated a dollar. I urge everyone else to spare a dollar for her too. She's innocent of that bastard's crime. We need to come together as a community and save one of our own.
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I donated!!! Let's rally together and help out. IGN you guys are the best
But seriously guys, over 10K people watch streams every night, if each person can spare $1 this can completely change the situation around.
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IGN, you guys are truly amazing. <3
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On November 15 2011 08:17 ArturosII wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 08:04 Sein wrote:
I feel a bit conflicted. It is no doubt a noble gesture from IGN and I really want to help Amanda out.
On the other hand, this is also going to let Gus off the hook and let him disappear quietly, from which he may try to crawl his way up again. I have a feeling that Gus Ledesma had been hoping for this to happen for the past week while keep hiding and delaying payments. This doesn't let Gus off the hook as it's Amanda and not Gus who is suffering the consequences here. By watching and helping you're helping out Amanda and nothinging at Gus. Even is Gus suddenly appeared it wouldn't change the fact that it's still Amanda suffering for him.
I know, and that is why I have had the stream on for a while now, but what I'm saying is that these two situations below seem very different, at least to me.
1) "Take care of that money right now in any way possible! Either take out a loan or sign some documents that transfers all those debt to under your name. FFS take your responsibility and DO SOMETHING, RIGHT FUCKING NOW!"
2) "The community has cleaned up after this gigantic mess you've created all by yourself, you bastard. Don't show your face around here again."
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On November 15 2011 08:47 FlamingTurd wrote:
Okay, I literally just told my wife we're not going out to dinner tonight because I gave $10 on this ahhaha. She was pretty mad until I explained what it was for more clearly and of course had to make it up by making her dinner now... Took 1 for the team.
That is awesome. Thumbs up for your donation!
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On November 15 2011 08:47 FlamingTurd wrote:
Okay, I literally just told my wife we're not going out to dinner tonight because I gave $10 on this ahhaha. She was pretty mad until I explained what it was for more clearly and of course had to make it up by making her dinner now... Took 1 for the team.
you sir, are a champion
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Won't be able to warch today but I'll defintely throw in a couple of bucks when I get home. I would hate to be put in the position she has been put into and hope this never happens to anyone again.
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Donated! Glad to help out the community, sad that it lets Gus off the hook for some of the money. I hope he gets sued for every penny!
EDIT: Seriously though, IGN has shown their professionalism in amazing ways through this debacle. Everyone should take notes that this is how you do crisis management. And it wasn't even IGN's bad. I think IGN and MLG are miles ahead with dealing with conflicts in the community. ESPORTS is in good hands as long as these organizations are still heading the charge.
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On November 15 2011 08:33 fubusama wrote:
I've done my donation as well. Really hope we can rally behind to support her.
While I am fully behind this, I would say that Amanda is very lucky to have an awesome community behind her. I'm sure things like this are a regular occurrence, and unfortunately a "cost of doing business". Not trying to be a hard-ass, but as a business owner myself when my clients don't pay their bills I either sell the debt to collections or take them to small claims court. The claims that she may go to jail and have her business shut down over a small amount ($15k is not much in business dollars) is exaggerated; if presumably she was conducting business correctly she will have Gus' personal information to execute appropriate collection actions.
Like I said, I'm supporting the cause and doing my part, but business owners get screwed out of way more on a daily basis and nobody blinks an eye - it's just business. My surely unpopular two cents for what it's worth.
fubusama, I think IGN is no fool too before they start doing this cause. They probably investigated the situation and assessed the gravity of the situation. According to some reports, Gus never really signed any papers which resulted one AZK(now former) AZK member to be "detained" due to non-payments of bills in the Philippines.
Of course, there's the "different country", I dont know if you're from the Philippines but here, estafa charges are taken seriously. People do get detained and businesses really shut down. Despite of being aware of the calculated risks involved people still take certain business decisions for various reasons and in her case, for her love of e-sports.
I'm pretty sure some form of investigation has been going on and people are keen on doing their homework before jumping into something that's "potentially" damaging to the community as a whole.
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On the side note, the fact that Gus haven't explained anything yet is like asking grass for a starving and dying horse from a man who consumed it all. People do got deadlines and Gus apparently, is still nowhere to be found. I really appreciate people donating to this instead of just running their mouths like they know shit. Obviously, we're not the investigating body and we're not the direct party involved.
Much respect to IGN for doing this. You guys are awesome.
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On November 15 2011 08:47 FlamingTurd wrote:
Okay, I literally just told my wife we're not going out to dinner tonight because I gave $10 on this ahhaha. She was pretty mad until I explained what it was for more clearly and of course had to make it up by making her dinner now... Took 1 for the team.
if i told my gf i was spending money on another woman rather than her, i wouldnt survive long enough to get the explanation out : l
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Nice to see you guys doing this, I'll be watching for sure.
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You guys should put up the amount of money generated thus far by ads and donations somewhere.
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