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I've done my donation as well. Really hope we can rally behind to support her.
While I am fully behind this, I would say that Amanda is very lucky to have an awesome community behind her. I'm sure things like this are a regular occurrence, and unfortunately a "cost of doing business". Not trying to be a hard-ass, but as a business owner myself when my clients don't pay their bills I either sell the debt to collections or take them to small claims court. The claims that she may go to jail and have her business shut down over a small amount ($15k is not much in business dollars) is exaggerated; if presumably she was conducting business correctly she will have Gus' personal information to execute appropriate collection actions.
Like I said, I'm supporting the cause and doing my part, but business owners get screwed out of way more on a daily basis and nobody blinks an eye - it's just business. My surely unpopular two cents for what it's worth.
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On November 15 2011 08:17 ArturosII wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 08:04 Sein wrote:
I feel a bit conflicted. It is no doubt a noble gesture from IGN and I really want to help Amanda out.
On the other hand, this is also going to let Gus off the hook and let him disappear quietly, from which he may try to crawl his way up again. I have a feeling that Gus Ledesma had been hoping for this to happen for the past week while keep hiding and delaying payments. This doesn't let Gus off the hook as it's Amanda and not Gus who is suffering the consequences here. By watching and helping you're helping out Amanda and nothinging at Gus. Even is Gus suddenly appeared it wouldn't change the fact that it's still Amanda suffering for him.
i think the problem is that because the debt is in amanda's name, gus is already off the legal hook.
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Is what Gus did illegal though? Because it seems like Amanda played it quite risky to begin with. Of course that doesn't make Gus any less disgusting - assuming these accusations are correct.
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Do you guys know that Gus's real name is Augustus… seriously sounds like ARCTURUS.
I hope this entire drama blows over soon. And I hope this doesn't dent the e-sports scene here in the Philippines.
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Shame it's on so late, I won't be able to tune in physically, got an early lecture tomorrow morning  Oh well, I can at least help by leaving the stream up while I sleep :D
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I think this leaves incredibly little doubt about Gus scamming people.
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On November 15 2011 07:57 Joshy.IGN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 07:52 pdd wrote:
Not that I want to put this effort down but, just wanted to know what if at the off-chance, Gus suddenly turns up with the money? And then he says that because Amanda has already settled her debts, keeps the money for himself? It is my understanding that there is no "pocketed money." He spent more than he had available, so there's a debt.
In that case, what I originally posted is completely wrong. Might want to make that more clear in the OP. Does IGN actually know where all the money went though?
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Alex+IGN crew, why are you all so amazing? You're handling a poor situation perfectly, and I'll be tuning in to donate.
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On November 15 2011 08:31 Kamikiri wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 08:19 TylerThaCreator wrote:On November 15 2011 08:16 Bagration wrote:
Wow, IGN is really doing some good work and helping out the best they can in this difficult situation.
As for Gus, him and his team should be given lifetime bans just like the match-fixing progamers. Give the players on Team AZK an ultimatum: leave the team or go down with this corrupt organization. You cannot just incur several thousands of dollars of debt (on top of blantant misuse of power in running a shady tournament), promise players a non-existent tournament (Hon-slaught), and get away with it.
Don't punish the team...they didn't know anything about it (just manipulated by Gus, you can see that in all of the other topics discussing the situation). Also, most members if not all already left. The thing is though, some of the team was involved also though.. Just read what they have said in some of the other threads. It is absolutely sickening. + Show Spoiler +There was some guy from AZK in another thread being completely bad mannered and called the entire teamliquid community a bunch of no-name random scrubs, along with many other things.
Nobody really takes ziek seriously, don't worry.
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IGN should ask twitch to donate their cut of the ad revenue too
twitch seems like a good organization and im sure they would be cool with it.
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Dont worry Amanda. youve got the support of the entire fucking starcraft 2 community behind you!...donated and gona be tuned in to the stream the whole night to generate profit through ads...
And fuck this Gus guy...
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Jesus christ gus is such a fucking moron hope he disappears from esports forever what a douche bag feel bad for amanda I can only imagine how stressed she is.
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Wow, what a noble cause! Too bad this all happened, hopefully it can be avoided in the future. Anyway I'll be tuning in as soon as I see it up and will donate the last couple dollars in my paypal ;-)
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did i miss the stream?nvm coming up at 5.
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This is a great idea. The money needs to be raised in order to protect an innocent person from the ineptitude of Gus. Although, in the end, Gus should be held accountable. Shouldn't Amanda's travel agency sue gus for breach of contract and/or press charges? Are both Gus and Amanda's travel agency located in the Philippines or is the situation complicated by being international? It seems like there should be some sort of legal recourse that will hold Gus accountable instead of just letting him off the hook by having the community foot his unpaid debt. There is no way he would get away with this if it occurred in the U.S., and I'd imagine the Philippines would have similar laws when dealing with contractual obligations.
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Donated a few $ as won't be able to watch. Hope this gets resolved..
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Ive donated some dollars, keep the good work up!
edit: this should be on reddit also, theres some nice ppl over there :-)
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The eSports community is absolutely freaking awesome, we've already received around $450 in donations!
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A bit conflicted cause I really wanna see Gus pay and this kind of lightens his responsibility so I can't justify myself donating. I mean ffs can't the travel agency just sue/report him to the cops or did they fuck up with no contract? However, since I am heading to bed right now I will at least toss the stream up.
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