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IMPORTANT: the flights are now covered, and Amanda should be fine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285511&currentpage=25#487

further donations will be for "paying event salaries (casters, talent, staff, etc.) and other event-related expenses"
fubusama
Profile Joined December 2010
74 Posts
November 14 2011 23:33 GMT
#101
I've done my donation as well. Really hope we can rally behind to support her.

While I am fully behind this, I would say that Amanda is very lucky to have an awesome community behind her. I'm sure things like this are a regular occurrence, and unfortunately a "cost of doing business". Not trying to be a hard-ass, but as a business owner myself when my clients don't pay their bills I either sell the debt to collections or take them to small claims court. The claims that she may go to jail and have her business shut down over a small amount ($15k is not much in business dollars) is exaggerated; if presumably she was conducting business correctly she will have Gus' personal information to execute appropriate collection actions.

Like I said, I'm supporting the cause and doing my part, but business owners get screwed out of way more on a daily basis and nobody blinks an eye - it's just business. My surely unpopular two cents for what it's worth.
The better you get, the more you realize how bad you are.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 14 2011 23:33 GMT
#102
On November 15 2011 08:17 ArturosII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 08:04 Sein wrote:
I feel a bit conflicted. It is no doubt a noble gesture from IGN and I really want to help Amanda out.

On the other hand, this is also going to let Gus off the hook and let him disappear quietly, from which he may try to crawl his way up again. I have a feeling that Gus Ledesma had been hoping for this to happen for the past week while keep hiding and delaying payments.


This doesn't let Gus off the hook as it's Amanda and not Gus who is suffering the consequences here. By watching and helping you're helping out Amanda and nothinging at Gus. Even is Gus suddenly appeared it wouldn't change the fact that it's still Amanda suffering for him.



i think the problem is that because the debt is in amanda's name, gus is already off the legal hook.
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
November 14 2011 23:33 GMT
#103
Is what Gus did illegal though? Because it seems like Amanda played it quite risky to begin with. Of course that doesn't make Gus any less disgusting - assuming these accusations are correct.
화이팅
vankaizer
Profile Joined December 2010
Philippines14 Posts
November 14 2011 23:34 GMT
#104
Do you guys know that Gus's real name is Augustus… seriously sounds like ARCTURUS.

I hope this entire drama blows over soon. And I hope this doesn't dent the e-sports scene here in the Philippines.
Get a job mouth breather
BronzeBobcat
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5 Posts
November 14 2011 23:34 GMT
#105
Donated
carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
November 14 2011 23:35 GMT
#106
Gus = eSports enemy #1
http://www.twitch.tv/carloselcoco/b/296431601 <------Suscribe! Casts in Spanish :) |||| http://www.twitch.tv/carloselcoco/b/300285215<----- CSL: Before Sunday! Episode 3!
shineq
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1453 Posts
November 14 2011 23:36 GMT
#107
Shame it's on so late, I won't be able to tune in physically, got an early lecture tomorrow morning Oh well, I can at least help by leaving the stream up while I sleep :D
"If you can chill, chill." - Liquid`NonY, "david some do it T>T" - SlayerSBoxeR || Twitter: http://twtter.com/shineqGAMING || http://twitch.tv/shineq
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 23:39:07
November 14 2011 23:36 GMT
#108
I think this leaves incredibly little doubt about Gus scamming people.

edit:
On November 15 2011 07:57 Joshy.IGN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 07:52 pdd wrote:
Not that I want to put this effort down but, just wanted to know what if at the off-chance, Gus suddenly turns up with the money? And then he says that because Amanda has already settled her debts, keeps the money for himself?

It is my understanding that there is no "pocketed money." He spent more than he had available, so there's a debt.


In that case, what I originally posted is completely wrong. Might want to make that more clear in the OP. Does IGN actually know where all the money went though?
Atticus.axl
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
November 14 2011 23:37 GMT
#109
Alex+IGN crew, why are you all so amazing? You're handling a poor situation perfectly, and I'll be tuning in to donate.
DoctorHelvetica <3
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
November 14 2011 23:37 GMT
#110
On November 15 2011 08:31 Kamikiri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 08:19 TylerThaCreator wrote:
On November 15 2011 08:16 Bagration wrote:
Wow, IGN is really doing some good work and helping out the best they can in this difficult situation.

As for Gus, him and his team should be given lifetime bans just like the match-fixing progamers. Give the players on Team AZK an ultimatum: leave the team or go down with this corrupt organization. You cannot just incur several thousands of dollars of debt (on top of blantant misuse of power in running a shady tournament), promise players a non-existent tournament (Hon-slaught), and get away with it.



Don't punish the team...they didn't know anything about it (just manipulated by Gus, you can see that in all of the other topics discussing the situation). Also, most members if not all already left.


The thing is though, some of the team was involved also though.. Just read what they have said in some of the other threads. It is absolutely sickening.

+ Show Spoiler +
There was some guy from AZK in another thread being completely bad mannered and called the entire teamliquid community a bunch of no-name random scrubs, along with many other things.

Nobody really takes ziek seriously, don't worry.
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
November 14 2011 23:37 GMT
#111
IGN should ask twitch to donate their cut of the ad revenue too
twitch seems like a good organization and im sure they would be cool with it.
http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
Gintox
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom33 Posts
November 14 2011 23:38 GMT
#112
Dont worry Amanda. youve got the support of the entire fucking starcraft 2 community behind you!...donated and gona be tuned in to the stream the whole night to generate profit through ads...

And fuck this Gus guy...
...yes i admit it...i code while i poop...
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 23:40:29
November 14 2011 23:39 GMT
#113
Jesus christ gus is such a fucking moron hope he disappears from esports forever what a douche bag feel bad for amanda I can only imagine how stressed she is.
When I think of something else, something will go here
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
November 14 2011 23:40 GMT
#114
Wow, what a noble cause! Too bad this all happened, hopefully it can be avoided in the future. Anyway I'll be tuning in as soon as I see it up and will donate the last couple dollars in my paypal ;-)
Nerf MMMT!!! Liquid`Ret Hwaiting!!!
Isaac
Profile Joined August 2010
United States810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 23:41:45
November 14 2011 23:41 GMT
#115
did i miss the stream?nvm coming up at 5.
number one fan of marineking
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
November 14 2011 23:42 GMT
#116
This is a great idea. The money needs to be raised in order to protect an innocent person from the ineptitude of Gus. Although, in the end, Gus should be held accountable. Shouldn't Amanda's travel agency sue gus for breach of contract and/or press charges? Are both Gus and Amanda's travel agency located in the Philippines or is the situation complicated by being international? It seems like there should be some sort of legal recourse that will hold Gus accountable instead of just letting him off the hook by having the community foot his unpaid debt. There is no way he would get away with this if it occurred in the U.S., and I'd imagine the Philippines would have similar laws when dealing with contractual obligations.
$♥$
WarheadsByLink
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom75 Posts
November 14 2011 23:42 GMT
#117
Donated a few $ as won't be able to watch. Hope this gets resolved..
Lexxes
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden144 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-14 23:43:07
November 14 2011 23:42 GMT
#118
Ive donated some dollars, keep the good work up!


edit: this should be on reddit also, theres some nice ppl over there :-)
If you dont do it, someone else will
Alex.IGN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1050 Posts
November 14 2011 23:43 GMT
#119
The eSports community is absolutely freaking awesome, we've already received around $450 in donations!
IGN eSports StarCraft 2 Division Manager
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
November 14 2011 23:43 GMT
#120
A bit conflicted cause I really wanna see Gus pay and this kind of lightens his responsibility so I can't justify myself donating. I mean ffs can't the travel agency just sue/report him to the cops or did they fuck up with no contract? However, since I am heading to bed right now I will at least toss the stream up.
Taengoo ♥
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