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EneMal
United Kingdom78 Posts
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
5k is way too high, I need some semblance of accuracy when I am clicking. EDIT: And no... no labels needed in this forum because most everything is a discussion. | ||
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Divination
United States139 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3691 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
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S2Lunar
1051 Posts
Don't understand why ANYONE would use 5000. seems unusable | ||
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Shorty90
Germany154 Posts
works perfectly for me. | ||
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
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Turo
Canada333 Posts
I use 1600 dpi, with 6/11 windows sens., and 54% sensitivity in SCII. Takes about 1.5 inches to traverse the screen! What settings are you using? | ||
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iRon aka bananajuice
Germany124 Posts
but for me its fine, it just depends on what you prefer. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
5k seems like it would seriously hamper your accuracy. OP might get better results lowering his. | ||
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asmo.0
Norway318 Posts
Wow. I use 850... With 5/11 in windows, and sc2 sense turned off | ||
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T3tra
United States406 Posts
Obviously you want the highest noticeable DPI, especially if you're running at a high resolution. I run at 3500 dpi, windows 6/11 and idk what sens in SC2. This is pretty dated but still has a lot of good information from the CS community on mouse optimization. http://www.overclock.net/mice/173255-cs-s-mouse-optimization-guide.html | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
There is just no way the human hand is capable of small enough movements to be able to click precisely with 5000 DPI | ||
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Turo
Canada333 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:34 T3tra wrote: A lot of people in this thread seem to be confusing DPI with sensitivity. DPI = Precision, Sensitivity = Speed. Obviously you want the highest noticeable DPI, especially if you're running at a high resolution. I run at 3500 dpi, windows 6/11 and idk what sens in SC2. Perhaps I am confused. But I do know, I can change my DPI on my mouse from 400 to 5600... And let me tell you from personal experience, that at 400 DPI, the distance required to move the pointer all the way across the screen is astronomically higher than at 5600. At 5600 DPI, it's almost impossible for me to hit anything I'm pointing at. | ||
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Highlight
United States75 Posts
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Dezire
Netherlands640 Posts
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GhostFall
United States830 Posts
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DBunny
Canada192 Posts
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HeavyWeapons
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Turo
Canada333 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:43 HeavyWeapons wrote: I have 1800 dpi with my abyssus, with about 60% of the max sensitivity settings. You should move your hand at least 5 cm when crossing the screen from side to side otherwise you might get carpal tunnel if playing too much .. hope that helps ![]() Where did you get that information? O_O | ||
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MnMCounTer
Canada27 Posts
Is higher DPI and lower windows sense better ? Or should I increase windows sense to 6 and lower DPI for better performance | ||
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EG.Thorzain
Sweden164 Posts
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Turo
Canada333 Posts
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branflakes14
2082 Posts
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:04 EneMal wrote: I'm using 5,000 DPI right now but I hear almost everyone say at they use somewhere in the range of 1,000, and It seems like you'd need to move your mouse practically 3 lengths of the mousepad just to cross the screen. I like using 5k DPI because I can cross the screen in an inch and it means I can get in a position where the mouse cord doesn't impair my accuracy. But that's just me, what DPI do you guys play Starcraft 2 at and why? P.S: Hope this I labelled this thread correctly EDIT: No labels in this forum? 5k DPI and you cross your screen in an inch?! Wow. I'm guessing you have really high resolution. I play at 2000 DPI, 55% sentitivity, no acceleration, and I cross my screen in about 1cm. It should be noted, though, that I restrict my resolution in sc to make the screen square on my widescreen laptop. | ||
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Turo
Canada333 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:49 3clipse wrote: Show nested quote + On October 03 2011 16:04 EneMal wrote: I'm using 5,000 DPI right now but I hear almost everyone say at they use somewhere in the range of 1,000, and It seems like you'd need to move your mouse practically 3 lengths of the mousepad just to cross the screen. I like using 5k DPI because I can cross the screen in an inch and it means I can get in a position where the mouse cord doesn't impair my accuracy. But that's just me, what DPI do you guys play Starcraft 2 at and why? P.S: Hope this I labelled this thread correctly EDIT: No labels in this forum? 5k DPI and you cross your screen in an inch?! Wow. I'm guessing you have really high resolution. I play at 2000 DPI, 55% sentitivity, no acceleration, and I cross my screen in about 1cm. It should be noted, though, that I restrict my resolution in sc to make the screen square on my widescreen laptop. It's been shown that 16: 9 vs 4:3, 16: 9 shows more of the action. Why would you make it square? | ||
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ePdeLay
Australia220 Posts
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Defeat
United States476 Posts
Saying that, there is no perfect mouse setting, it's all personal preference. On October 03 2011 16:13 bokchoi wrote: 800-1000 dpi. I started out with 2000 was using a G3 in the beta. That finally broke. Friend bought me an Abyssus so I was using 3500 for awhile then realized that was totally unnecessary and dropped it to 1800. Moved, forgot my mouse and bought a G1 which is supposed to be 800-1000dpi. Works fine. Where did you buy that mouse from? :o I've been wanting one but don't feel l like going to ebay. | ||
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actionbastrd
Congo598 Posts
Part of this i feel is the bottom of my mouse wore down from factory tho. I now have it at 3k DPI and haven't felt a need to increase it, and don't feel like its very fast either. I am just used to it i guess, and have no accuracy problems relating to DPI. No mouse acceleration. I have the in-game sensitivity off (Sc2). It is funny when the average person uses my computer and moves the mouse, just to totally miss what they were going for tho lol. It took some time to build up to 3k and feel i could probably increase it more if i really wanted to, but i am super comfortable with 3,000 DPI. Razer Imperator ^_^ Oh and resolution is 1920x1080 | ||
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Kashll
United States1117 Posts
It simply is the number of dots per inch. Higher DPI mice tend to be more accurate. You can set your sensitivity to what ever you want without changing your DPI, thus higher DPI tends to be better. | ||
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Champi
1422 Posts
my curser moves swiftly and accurately with a wiggle of the finger this allows me to play any amount of sc2 games in a day without getting any fatigue in any part of my arm | ||
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HeavyWeapons
50 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:44 Turo wrote: Show nested quote + On October 03 2011 16:43 HeavyWeapons wrote: I have 1800 dpi with my abyssus, with about 60% of the max sensitivity settings. You should move your hand at least 5 cm when crossing the screen from side to side otherwise you might get carpal tunnel if playing too much .. hope that helps ![]() Where did you get that information? O_O I've searched for 15 minutes to compile all this, hope will help you fellow gamers ![]() http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249771 http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/cumousetips.html http://www.fatal1ty.com/gaming-lifestyle/how-to-prevent-carpal-tunnel http://www.klis.com/computers health/ http://www.honsougaming.com/2010/03/01/rsi-and-gaming/ P.S. : As an alternative you can play protoss ( I "keed" ) :D | ||
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
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HeavyWeapons
50 Posts
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Kokujin
United States456 Posts
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kAra
Germany1405 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
6/11, 51% in sc2 | ||
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TimeFlighT
Australia257 Posts
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chrisolo
Germany2609 Posts
suits perfect for me | ||
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Qax
Serbia2 Posts
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:49 3clipse wrote: I restrict my resolution in sc to make the screen square on my widescreen laptop. why on earth would you do this | ||
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Ezalor
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
Also 6/11 and 54% or whatever that other thread suggested. Basically the software settings are 1:1 so that I can adjust all sensitivity with the mouse drivers. | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
Then adjust your DPI. | ||
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ravemir
Portugal595 Posts
I was on 800, and now I am on 1600 (I think). Kept Windows sense on 7, and pulled SC2 sense down from 54 to 48%. | ||
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
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Wiseau
Canada17 Posts
I have a very limited area on my desk (actually a small square table) and have learned to play with high DPI, using some bastardized fingertip grip in which the lower portion of my palm is in contact with the desk. | ||
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Psyclon
Bulgaria2443 Posts
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StateSC2
Korea (South)621 Posts
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ragnasaur
United States804 Posts
was just thinking that maybe ninjas would train with 5000 DIP like in Kill Bill how she has to learn to punch from 2 inches away. | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
As a personal note, I really dislike it but it seems there is not really something that can be done about duplicates of these kind. Almost every month there is a set of thread types that repeat, things like promotion bug, bm and rage, mechanical keyboards and I'm forgetting a ton since there are so many. It's a shame really because I find myself not being able to adapt as time goes on. It actually induces some sort of rage inside me and the only option seems to be to stay away. On October 03 2011 16:34 T3tra wrote: A lot of people in this thread seem to be confusing DPI with sensitivity. DPI = Precision, Sensitivity = Speed. Obviously you want the highest noticeable DPI, especially if you're running at a high resolution. I run at 3500 dpi, windows 6/11 and idk what sens in SC2. This is pretty dated but still has a lot of good information from the CS community on mouse optimization. http://www.overclock.net/mice/173255-cs-s-mouse-optimization-guide.html It is DPI that grants accuracy. How that translates to you being able to use it is what we call precision. DPI just makes it so that it registers more and thus is more accurate for movements. But since we are humans, we cannot comfortably control up to that level, tiny shaky movements, inconsistent wiggles suddenly cause a ripple effect. That's why many people use a low DPI setting, the error in it's accuracy is offset by you not introducing errors yourself, creating a more consistent experience. Which is eventually what matters because that is how we can measure and label something like precision. -- For SC2 you should turn off the sensitivity ingame completely, it puts it on the 51 setting someone figured out was the best. And don't use mouse smoothing, I saw a guy advocate that I was like lol, it's vsync for the mouse. Also disable `enhance cursor movement` which is acceleration and download the regedit fix that also disables acceleration and turn it off in the drivers etc. Set your mouse sensitivity in the Driver to 100%, that way no information is filtered, lost, and wrongly adjusted for. The same happens when you put windows on 6/11 and then the game with no effect. It will have a direct link sort of where no software is adjusting the sensitivity. It has to sometimes guess or scale and that can cause minor inconsistencies I believe. Then you use the DPI to create the type of control that you desire. For FPS a good way to triangulate this final setting is to point at a point in the wall, say the corner, and strafe around it while keeping the cursor there. You either fall behind or shake way too much. And then there is different distances so you need to make a compromise for that. GL Edit: changed the wording in a sentence to better illustrate the meaning | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
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CluEleSs_UK
United Kingdom583 Posts
People who say x dpi is not controllable are just trying to justify the fact they're too lazy to get used to an efficient DPI. It's perfectly controllable, and I used 5200 for the same reason OP says. I used to use an 800dpi mouse, got pissed with having to move it 2 miles to go up the screen, I then changed to 2100dpi, but found that I couldn't bridge my hand to move the full way down the screen, I had to like skip it to the ball of my hand. With 5200dpi, I find I can move anywhere on the screen using just my thumb and little finger/ring finger on the sides of the mouse. | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:50 Turo wrote: Show nested quote + On October 03 2011 16:49 3clipse wrote: On October 03 2011 16:04 EneMal wrote: I'm using 5,000 DPI right now but I hear almost everyone say at they use somewhere in the range of 1,000, and It seems like you'd need to move your mouse practically 3 lengths of the mousepad just to cross the screen. I like using 5k DPI because I can cross the screen in an inch and it means I can get in a position where the mouse cord doesn't impair my accuracy. But that's just me, what DPI do you guys play Starcraft 2 at and why? P.S: Hope this I labelled this thread correctly EDIT: No labels in this forum? 5k DPI and you cross your screen in an inch?! Wow. I'm guessing you have really high resolution. I play at 2000 DPI, 55% sentitivity, no acceleration, and I cross my screen in about 1cm. It should be noted, though, that I restrict my resolution in sc to make the screen square on my widescreen laptop. It's been shown that 16: 9 vs 4:3, 16: 9 shows more of the action. Why would you make it square? It's just what I was used to on my old computer. I should probably switch over to widescreen sooner or later, but I don't really feel handicapped by it. | ||
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Granath
Sweden31 Posts
Edit: I really dont understand why anyone would go above 1800, feels like you sacrifice to much accuracy. Also people need to pay attention to their windows settings and ingame settings. There is no point in using high dpi if you're gonna lower the ingame sense or vice versa. | ||
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The_Piper42
United States426 Posts
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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:36 Dhalphir wrote: I use 1800 DPI. There is just no way the human hand is capable of small enough movements to be able to click precisely with 5000 DPI It is, it just takes a while to get used to. I used to play like that. But you'll never be as accurate as you would be at a lower sensitivity. So I now play at 800 dpi 6/11. | ||
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
On October 03 2011 17:36 KillerSOS wrote: Donno why it bothers you that threads get reposted from time to time, its not like every thread on the front page is chalk full of info. Because I either end up writing the same thing twice, or the effort I made in the past is lost and useless. Also since there are actually threads on it, it's possible to find them and use it. It doesn't matter if they are on the front page. There's a whole forum and a ton of cool old threads. And it also matters what the actual content is. If there was any it would've been possible to make it feel more legit, but it's literally a "list your DPI". Leaving a ton of things open, which will have to be filled in by other people. That is assuming you are responding to the first paragraph I wrote. | ||
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Sanchonator
Australia490 Posts
is there a specific reason? or just preference | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On October 03 2011 17:38 NorthernIrelandGlob wrote: 5200dpi, 6/11, 51% in sc2. People who say x dpi is not controllable are just trying to justify the fact they're too lazy to get used to an efficient DPI. It's perfectly controllable, and I used 5200 for the same reason OP says. I used to use an 800dpi mouse, got pissed with having to move it 2 miles to go up the screen, I then changed to 2100dpi, but found that I couldn't bridge my hand to move the full way down the screen, I had to like skip it to the ball of my hand. With 5200dpi, I find I can move anywhere on the screen using just my thumb and little finger/ring finger on the sides of the mouse. I have to agree with the above, I myself use a Razer Naga at maximum possible dpi 5400 dpi, 6/11, 53 or 54% in sc2 (Falls into the non-pixeldropping range anyway), no acceleration, 1000hz polling. And it still doesn't feel fast enough for me. If possible, I'd probably prefer to use a mouse with 6.8-7.2k dpi, but I haven't seen such yet, at least not ones to my liking. Even though I only own one 1920x1080 monitor. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On October 03 2011 17:47 Sanchonator wrote: why does everyone suggest ~51% in sc2? is there a specific reason? or just preference http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165625 On October 03 2011 17:38 NorthernIrelandGlob wrote: 5200dpi, 6/11, 51% in sc2. People who say x dpi is not controllable are just trying to justify the fact they're too lazy to get used to an efficient DPI. It's perfectly controllable, and I used 5200 for the same reason OP says. I used to use an 800dpi mouse, got pissed with having to move it 2 miles to go up the screen, I then changed to 2100dpi, but found that I couldn't bridge my hand to move the full way down the screen, I had to like skip it to the ball of my hand. With 5200dpi, I find I can move anywhere on the screen using just my thumb and little finger/ring finger on the sides of the mouse. It is controllable, it is just more difficult to be as accurate. The higher the movement speed, the less room for error there is, its just common sense. What you need to do is figure out the most comfortable movement speed for you that is accurate "enough" for what you need it to do. I mean, if there were a 30k dpi mouse and it moved the mouse across the entire screen in .2mm... that would be kind of hard to be accurate, yes? The same principle applies between 1800dpi/5200dpi or whatever else. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
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TastyMuffins
Canada16 Posts
All the people saying its uncontrollable and that you can't be accurate are frankly talking out of their asses. It doesn't take long to get the hang of it and just like any mouse/hotkey/whatever changes, with regular use it becomes natural and you can be just as accurate as any other settings. After making the switch, when playing on my friends' computers the mouse feels really sluggish and inaccurate. It's all about what you're used to and practice with and I'd rather be used to a faster setting. | ||
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Stiluz
Norway688 Posts
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necrOtix
81 Posts
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Philipd122
Australia776 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:40 Dezire wrote: 450 dpi with a razer deathadder Whats the damn point of a gaming mouse if you're gonna use dpi less than the average microsoft mouse? | ||
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Philipd122
Australia776 Posts
On October 03 2011 18:07 Azzur wrote: How do you determine what DPI you're using? If there's no driver, then it would've told u on the package. If it does, check the driver. | ||
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
I play at 720p so yeah, it fits. ![]() | ||
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duckmaster
687 Posts
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Roblin
Sweden948 Posts
if you plant your wrist on any spot, and then move your mouse as far to the right or left as possible without moving your wrists resting-spot, then when you move the mouse to the other side, still without moving the wrists restingspot, that motion translates to about 3 times the width of my screen. so if we say I have X pixels on the width of my screen, then a movement of about a decimeter translates to 3X pixels | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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tehneXus
Australia38 Posts
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sAfuRos
United States743 Posts
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nyshak
Germany132 Posts
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
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pksens
United Kingdom156 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:35 Torte de Lini wrote: 3500, dont really think it affects me that much People like you annoy me, these threads pop up once a month and each time someone posts a horrible misuse of the word "precision", saying that we should max out our mouse DPI. This is wrong. It does not make it more accurate. Infact I've done my own personal tests and found a couple of my mice have increased negative accelerations and a non linear sensitivity increase with the higher ends of DPI. The fact is, it really is a sensitivity modifier and you should leave it alone with the value that is most sensible. Maxing it to 5k and reducing mouse sensitivity with other means is a recipe for inefficient aiming. edit. I should say that some mouse have different native DPI and ways they calculate DPI. f.e. The Xai, is natively at 1620 dpi I believe (just google it to confirm), and it calculates DPI in increments of 90. If you chose an awkward number like 1234, it would use an additional layer of software to calculate sensitivity. With every calculation, you get rounding errors, thus less accuracy. Also, I found it flat out ignored alot of the values i pumped in until I hit some value thresholds, so best to stick to a number divisible by 90. So I personally use it at around 540dpi (6/11 windows, 51% sc2). Yes, might be the slowest aim in SC2 forums it appears, but it's really freaking fast to me (compared with the 180 dpi I used to use) | ||
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coZen
United States192 Posts
My cs1.6 background wont let me go higher. | ||
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actionkruegi
Germany18 Posts
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UisTehSux
United States693 Posts
450 is just laughable and 3500 is out of this world for me, lol. | ||
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StateAlchemist
France1946 Posts
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eohs
United States677 Posts
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Ballbreaker
Germany97 Posts
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SwitchAUS
Australia106 Posts
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ArhK
France287 Posts
I use a kinzu, 6/10 in windows, 51% ingame I think. | ||
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MiningSchuhu
Germany53 Posts
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Diablo3
46 Posts
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
On October 03 2011 19:21 pksens wrote: Show nested quote + On October 03 2011 16:35 Torte de Lini wrote: 3500, dont really think it affects me that much People like you annoy me, these threads pop up once a month and each time someone posts a horrible misuse of the word "precision", saying that we should max out our mouse DPI. This is wrong. It does not make it more accurate. Infact I've done my own personal tests and found a couple of my mice have increased negative accelerations and a non linear sensitivity increase with the higher ends of DPI. The fact is, it really is a sensitivity modifier and you should leave it alone with the value that is most sensible. Maxing it to 5k and reducing mouse sensitivity with other means is a recipe for inefficient aiming. edit. I should say that some mouse have different native DPI and ways they calculate DPI. f.e. The Xai, is natively at 1620 dpi I believe (just google it to confirm), and it calculates DPI in increments of 90. If you chose an awkward number like 1234, it would use an additional layer of software to calculate sensitivity. With every calculation, you get rounding errors, thus less accuracy. Also, I found it flat out ignored alot of the values i pumped in until I hit some value thresholds, so best to stick to a number divisible by 90. So I personally use it at around 540dpi (6/11 windows, 51% sc2). Yes, might be the slowest aim in SC2 forums it appears, but it's really freaking fast to me (compared with the 180 dpi I used to use) I have a Xai, are you saying that I should have it set at 1530 DPI instead of 1500? :D | ||
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Madera
Sweden2672 Posts
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
Enhanced Pointer Precision OFF Slider notch 6 on Windows (Vista) Mouse Speed in Starcraft 2 is OFF (I love that they put that in there, so great) It's slow but I really feel like its helped me. I'm a lefty using a right handed setup, just because like many lefties it's the way I've been acclimated to computers from age 5. I saw IdrA's stream and his mouse seemed much slower than I expected, but very calculated and very perfect with the clicks. That is exactly how I want to play. I've worked with a lot of settings and this seems the best. The slowness has really helped the control and my "overshooting" which was a problem. Just a standard 3 button mouse, little flat mouse that is very symmetrical and has the 1 piece top where the buttons bounce back up really quickly. I liked it so much I bought 3 of them so I will have them in case of incident. + Show Spoiler + mo5013ru | ||
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LastScareCrow
Finland10 Posts
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dersoy
Malaysia31 Posts
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Vamp
United Kingdom184 Posts
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Br3ezy
United States720 Posts
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pksens
United Kingdom156 Posts
On October 03 2011 19:43 coL.drewbie wrote: Show nested quote + On October 03 2011 19:21 pksens wrote: On October 03 2011 16:35 Torte de Lini wrote: 3500, dont really think it affects me that much People like you annoy me, these threads pop up once a month and each time someone posts a horrible misuse of the word "precision", saying that we should max out our mouse DPI. This is wrong. It does not make it more accurate. Infact I've done my own personal tests and found a couple of my mice have increased negative accelerations and a non linear sensitivity increase with the higher ends of DPI. The fact is, it really is a sensitivity modifier and you should leave it alone with the value that is most sensible. Maxing it to 5k and reducing mouse sensitivity with other means is a recipe for inefficient aiming. edit. I should say that some mouse have different native DPI and ways they calculate DPI. f.e. The Xai, is natively at 1620 dpi I believe (just google it to confirm), and it calculates DPI in increments of 90. If you chose an awkward number like 1234, it would use an additional layer of software to calculate sensitivity. With every calculation, you get rounding errors, thus less accuracy. Also, I found it flat out ignored alot of the values i pumped in until I hit some value thresholds, so best to stick to a number divisible by 90. So I personally use it at around 540dpi (6/11 windows, 51% sc2). Yes, might be the slowest aim in SC2 forums it appears, but it's really freaking fast to me (compared with the 180 dpi I used to use) I have a Xai, are you saying that I should have it set at 1530 DPI instead of 1500? :D Yeah, I found this bug on some forums and after I did alot of personal tests, I was getting errors of up to 2ishcm difference in sensitivity when trying to find a DPI between 180-270. When I use a sens of around 40cm/360, that's up to 5% error. I would start around 240 and not find my mouse sens has changed at all, then 200 and it still isn't accurately decreasing in a linear fashion, until I hit threshhold 180 and the sens dropped in a sizable quantity. If you used 1530, it might change your sensitivity just enough to feel too different as it might jump in sensitivity compared to 1500, but it will be a truer accuracy at least. | ||
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
Edit : oh and if the ingame mouse setting is of any use for your question it's at 62% | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:17 Toppp wrote: I have 2 profiles on my Xai, 2000, and 1100. Don't understand why ANYONE would use 5000. seems unusable Yeah, 5000 is insane, unless the sensitivity is set to something like 15% in sc2. I use 720DPI on my Xai ^^ | ||
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
1) DPI 2) Windows Mouse Speed Settings 3) Starcraft 2 settings Without all 3 of these, there is no basis of comparison. wow | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On October 03 2011 19:21 pksens wrote: Show nested quote + On October 03 2011 16:35 Torte de Lini wrote: 3500, dont really think it affects me that much People like you annoy me, these threads pop up once a month and each time someone posts a horrible misuse of the word "precision", saying that we should max out our mouse DPI. This is wrong. It does not make it more accurate. Infact I've done my own personal tests and found a couple of my mice have increased negative accelerations and a non linear sensitivity increase with the higher ends of DPI. The fact is, it really is a sensitivity modifier and you should leave it alone with the value that is most sensible. Maxing it to 5k and reducing mouse sensitivity with other means is a recipe for inefficient aiming. edit. I should say that some mouse have different native DPI and ways they calculate DPI. f.e. The Xai, is natively at 1620 dpi I believe (just google it to confirm), and it calculates DPI in increments of 90. If you chose an awkward number like 1234, it would use an additional layer of software to calculate sensitivity. With every calculation, you get rounding errors, thus less accuracy. Also, I found it flat out ignored alot of the values i pumped in until I hit some value thresholds, so best to stick to a number divisible by 90. So I personally use it at around 540dpi (6/11 windows, 51% sc2). Yes, might be the slowest aim in SC2 forums it appears, but it's really freaking fast to me (compared with the 180 dpi I used to use) Sorry for double post but I just saw what pksens wrote ![]() It actually took me like one hour to find a nice sensitivity for my Xai and 720DPI felt better than 730 or 710. Now I see why, thanks for this post :D | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
I think dpi doesn't really matter, you just want to use whatever you are comfortable with. There IS a mouse guide on these forums somewhere, just search around. | ||
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Ruscour
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
On October 03 2011 19:54 pksens wrote: Show nested quote + On October 03 2011 19:43 coL.drewbie wrote: On October 03 2011 19:21 pksens wrote: On October 03 2011 16:35 Torte de Lini wrote: 3500, dont really think it affects me that much People like you annoy me, these threads pop up once a month and each time someone posts a horrible misuse of the word "precision", saying that we should max out our mouse DPI. This is wrong. It does not make it more accurate. Infact I've done my own personal tests and found a couple of my mice have increased negative accelerations and a non linear sensitivity increase with the higher ends of DPI. The fact is, it really is a sensitivity modifier and you should leave it alone with the value that is most sensible. Maxing it to 5k and reducing mouse sensitivity with other means is a recipe for inefficient aiming. edit. I should say that some mouse have different native DPI and ways they calculate DPI. f.e. The Xai, is natively at 1620 dpi I believe (just google it to confirm), and it calculates DPI in increments of 90. If you chose an awkward number like 1234, it would use an additional layer of software to calculate sensitivity. With every calculation, you get rounding errors, thus less accuracy. Also, I found it flat out ignored alot of the values i pumped in until I hit some value thresholds, so best to stick to a number divisible by 90. So I personally use it at around 540dpi (6/11 windows, 51% sc2). Yes, might be the slowest aim in SC2 forums it appears, but it's really freaking fast to me (compared with the 180 dpi I used to use) I have a Xai, are you saying that I should have it set at 1530 DPI instead of 1500? :D Yeah, I found this bug on some forums and after I did alot of personal tests, I was getting errors of up to 2ishcm difference in sensitivity when trying to find a DPI between 180-270. When I use a sens of around 40cm/360, that's up to 5% error. I would start around 240 and not find my mouse sens has changed at all, then 200 and it still isn't accurately decreasing in a linear fashion, until I hit threshhold 180 and the sens dropped in a sizable quantity. If you used 1530, it might change your sensitivity just enough to feel too different as it might jump in sensitivity compared to 1500, but it will be a truer accuracy at least. well i don't care if it gets a bit faster i just want it to be as accurate as possible thx | ||
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KAPdlight
United Kingdom61 Posts
i have a QCK+ and it takes me about 3 full swipes to cover the mouse mat it feels really slow but there is a lot more control | ||
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Shovlz
England6 Posts
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Highways
Australia6106 Posts
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Dwelf
Netherlands365 Posts
I myself use 2500dpi razer lachesis. | ||
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perestain
Germany308 Posts
On October 03 2011 16:57 Kashll wrote: Higher DPI mice tend to be more accurate. You can set your sensitivity to what ever you want without changing your DPI, thus higher DPI tends to be better. Thats quite wrong actually. Higher dpi mice do not tend to be more accurate at all. DPI is how many bits of positional information the mouse gathers if you travel 1 inch. This translates exactly into how many pixels the cursor moves if you travel 1 inch, unless you apply some software sensitivity settings. if you lower your sensitivity you throw away information, and play at less effective dpi. if you raise your sensitivity you have to skip pixels to get the desired cursor speed, making the mouse more inaccurate. If your mouse has enough dpi to give your cursor the desired speed without having to go higher than 6/11, more dpi is just a waste. Trying to find a sensor with actual good accuracy requires measurements and testing. A lot of so called gaming mice produce positive and negative acceleration, so if you go really low sense and check for these things you can actually get an idea how accurate your mouse is. | ||
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dwillow
Czech Republic88 Posts
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cristo1122
Australia505 Posts
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papyrus
Philippines716 Posts
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
Windows mouse speed = max SC2 mouse speed = 100% | ||
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Seki Santoku
United States105 Posts
Using Razor Lachesis | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
you gain speed in sc2 with controlgroups, f-keys and multitask. not mouse speed. | ||
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cmh
United States88 Posts
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diLLa
Netherlands247 Posts
1800 or 450 dpi for shooters. depending on which type of shooter. | ||
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Dwelf
Netherlands365 Posts
On October 03 2011 20:47 sCuMBaG wrote: you guys are using way too much dpi. you gain speed in sc2 with controlgroups, f-keys and multitask. not mouse speed. You can't use to much or to few DPI, its pure personal preference. Because people with low DPI compensate by making bigger arm movements and thats just there preference. I geuss there is a point where you can have to few or to much DPI but within reason everything is possible. | ||
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lambda-
Germany147 Posts
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Seki Santoku
United States105 Posts
On October 03 2011 20:47 sCuMBaG wrote: you guys are using way too much dpi. you gain speed in sc2 with controlgroups, f-keys and multitask. not mouse speed. micro much? | ||
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smitty5569
Canada41 Posts
I'm just so use to it. I've been gaming with this dpi for probably about 4years. | ||
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Leetley
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Blizzard_torments_me
Romania199 Posts
. I've also noticed marine splitting is easier and faster if you have a high sensitivity. | ||
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iyoume
2501 Posts
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
when i was playing q3, i had even more sensitivity, you can pull out crazy thing that you couldnt with lower DPI, but you can also mess up really bad... i think you have to find a balance. | ||
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MasonosaM
United States74 Posts
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MHT
Sweden1026 Posts
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Kaoriyu
Canada276 Posts
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OskO
Argentina369 Posts
Right now I'm playing @ 1800 DPIs on my Mamba. Same settings for Windows and StarCraft II. It just feels right for me. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
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Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
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perestain
Germany308 Posts
On October 03 2011 18:43 Philipd122 wrote: Whats the damn point of a gaming mouse if you're gonna use dpi less than the average microsoft mouse? The better sensor. Deathadder has one of the best on the market. Contrary to popular belief, more dpi only helps if your mouse still feels too slow at 6/11. Otherwise its a waste and nothing more than a marketing buzzword. Anything above ~1800 dpi is complete bullshit unless you play at insane resolutions and/or prefer extremely high cursor speeds ingame. Funnily, the Microsoft Intelli Explorer 3 still has one of the best sensors, thats why many cs pros still use it. | ||
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r_con
United States824 Posts
How much do you want to move your mouse going verticle and horizontal.. Dpi is almost irrelevant to this topic. 1.6 inches horizontal 1 inch vertical I play with 800 dpi @ 1280x800 Basically i tried to get the same setting as 640x480 in terms of real world travel distance(barring the whole wide screen transition) I think its pretty good, and its about what pro BW players play at(400 dpi @640x480) | ||
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SelectStaR
United Kingdom129 Posts
When you use HOT KEYS and Location HOT KEYS properly, you don't actually need to use the mouse as much as you think.. So first sort that out then sort ur DPI out peace | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5529 Posts
6/11. sc2 ingame off | ||
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
Today I use 3500dpi, 3/11 Windows, 26% in SC2, 4 Razer sens. Could probably clean that up a bit but meh, it works for me. | ||
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tUUTZ
Finland122 Posts
I use: 6/11 (sc2 ignores anyway) 51% ingame 1000dpi 1920x1080 | ||
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bnan
Netherlands17 Posts
Its better to use lower dpi since u can be more precise imo. | ||
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DelRax
Australia54 Posts
It's just a speed I feel comfortable playing at, haven't found that it's made my control imprecise or anything. | ||
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Reason.SC2
Canada1047 Posts
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
I tried 5600 but it destroyed my mouse precision. It's a matter of style what speed you can use. If you have slow hands but good precision, you need high DPI, if you have fast hands but low precision, you need low DPI. | ||
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
I think any DPI is useable, you just have to play with it long enough to get used to it. Oh yeah, I also play at 2560x1600 screen resolution so lower DPIs make the cursor crawl across the screen. | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
High enough to be able to play only with wrist and finger movements. Moving your arm around in an RTS is a nono for me. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
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KoBlades
Austria248 Posts
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paintfive
785 Posts
Anyhow, I use 2700 DPI and 59% sensitivity ingame, at 1920x1080. I noticed that many many pros use VERY high sensitivity so that the mouse scroll is quicker - I noticed Sen has insanely high sens. It's helped me a lot with my mechanics without any less of accuracy. | ||
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Raw12
United States15 Posts
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VoO
Germany278 Posts
DPI: 1800 Razer Sensitivity: default Windows: 6/11 SC2: off Ingame resolution: 1680x1050 | ||
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mtn
729 Posts
23" inch screen. (1680 x 1050) Razer Deathadder 52% ingame sens. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25996 Posts
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