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So what does it take to become an SC2 Progamer?
Is it possible for the average person off the street to be introduced to sc2 and set out to become an SC2 Progamer? ... or is it just you need raw talent for this game?
IMO, I believe it is a possiblity if you work hard enough and sacrifice enough for it.
Coming from a sporting background myself (Boxing), I got my ass handed to me plently of times in the early days where as later on opportunites started coming up to really go somewhere with the sport (professional). Unfortunately, I decided to give it up because I actually wanted a social life instead of doing cardio, bags, dieting ect. for the rest of my life.
Being relatively new to the SC2 scene most people here would have more of an idea with sc2, in terms of the Progaming scene. I have heard Koreans can train for someing like 10 - 12 hours per day, I really believe this isn't effective training as no one would be able to keep up that much focus for so long. I have always believed 3 hours of "intense practice" where you are focusing 100% is heaps more effective than "playing" the game for 10 hours p/day.
Also what are the SC2 Progamers practice schedules?
For example;
For a newbie Terran schedule "practicing" to become better
- 15 minutes Marine Split Challenge each day (5 days a week)
- 15 minutes stutter step practice (5 days a week)
- Personal Replay Analysis (1 day a week) and note down points which need working
- Professional Replay Analysis (1 day a week) and note down what works well and why such in-game decisions were made.
- 20 ladder games played every day
I have never believed in "raw talent," personally this really used to frustrate me when I had people say I had a "raw talent" for boxing. Talent has nothing to do with it, but how much work you want to put in. Saying "raw talent" imo is saying you are just gifted and automatically good at it without putting any work in. Raw talent in my eyes = lazy.
And lastly I believe the majority of SC2 Progamers atm are from SC1, is it too late for new players to catch up to their skill level?
But please discuss as I'm interested in hearing what peoples opinions are on the topic.
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Everyone knows that to become a progamer, you simple need to work hard, practice and be dedicated/have the right mind and attitude.
Of course, this fits in almost everything that one aspires to be.
The issue is "time".
And lastly I believe the majority of SC2 Progamers atm are from SC1, is it too late for new players to catch up to their skill level?
laughed way too hard.
I have heard Koreans can train for someing like 10 - 12 hours per day, I really believe this isn't effective training as no one would be able to keep up that much focus for so long. I have always believed 3 hours of "intense practice" where you are focusing 100% is heaps more effective than "playing" the game for 10 hours p/day.
They're the top in the world.
They're clearly doing more than "playing"
3 hours of "intense practice" is quite lacking.
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1. No
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3. No
Seriously where do these OPs come from?
Playing 3 hours a day in "intense training" will never turn johnny neverplayedRTSbefore bronze into the next big pro. There is no EZPZ way to be a pro, and you sir seem to have very little respect for just how mind numbingly hard it is to be a top progamer.
Here, I'll make an analogy.
In most sports, kids play them their whole lives. Baseball for instance.....there teeball for the wee ones, and then little league, and then maybe some school related baseball, and then boom, they're in college with at least 5-10 years of experience in what they play.
Most if not all progamers today (cept minigun, he's honestly the only person that breaks this that I know of) Played the shit out of SC1 and/or WC3 in a semipro/pro manner. They've been playing RTS games for the majority of their lives and have a great deal built into their minds already before even starting their first game of SC2.
I'm sorry, but NOBODY (cept koll, but he was a pretty massive exception) can just say "hmm, this Starcraft game seems pretty cool, I'ma go pro" and be a pro level player within a year. It's just not possible. Sorry.
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having a training schedule sounds like a great idea for sc2. micro tricks like splitting and stutter step and important to learn how to really nail, as well as learning how to split properly, flank, make concaves, dodge storms, etc.
I dont know if koreans necessarily "play" 10-12 hours, but spend 10-12 hours involved with the game, discussing ideas, practicing builds, watching replays, etc. Doing all of that is just as important as sitting down and grinding out games. Even when I lose I like to try and make sure I was at least doing one thing right like macro or keeping my money low.
Also there's plenty of sc2 gamers who were never really that competitive at brood war who are pretty damn good. It's very possible to catch up
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Honestly I feel that anyone can make it to where the pros are, it is just like any other sport. The more work you put into something and how bad you want it, you can play faster, better etc etc.
From my personal exp, you can't really get the practice you need from just laddering alone, you need a group of like minded people who are at the same or better skill level as you, because ladder is just so silly. But good luck!
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20 ladder games a day is alright enough to start with. But your going to need to increase it little by little. The optimal schedule 8-10 hours a day which amounts to 40-50 games a day. I myself want to become a pro gamer. I started out in bronze and am now a high diamond. I played maybe 2 hours a day and worked up to 6-8. Now i play 40 games. I still feel like its not enough. With school it will slow me down but a couple more weeks and i should be in masters.
One big tip, whenever to hit a skill wall *meaning you feel like you are not getting better and keep losing*, ask for help. Someone will usually point out something you did not notice and it will help you break the wall down.
Most of the players in sc2 are from sc1 but a lot of them are from wc3 also. I don't thinks its too late. I used to think that when i was in gold. But i see now that with hard practice catching up is possible. It also helps that sc2 isn't truly complete yet.
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Ofcourse it's not too late. Every pro-gamer had to work very, very hard to get where they are now.
Don't expect to become a 'pro' in 1-2 years though, I don't know how old you are but you should be able to get really really good if you practice for 1-2 years.
The thing you said about that you believe intense practice for 3 hours. I think the koreans have proved that that isn't true. They play like 30 games a day which equals to 10+ hours, so playing the game for 10+ hours is indeed better than 3 hours of your 'intense practice'.
I completely agree with the talent aspect, even if you had some sort of talent everyone has to work hard, maybe the talent is that you don't get bored of the game and continue playing. Which would make dedication a talent, I don't know. Everyone has to work really, really hard to achieve something. I do think you should be able to do 25 ladder games a day and cut the Marine Split and stutter step practice. You can do those stutter stap practices and marine split challenges when you are frustrated with the game or are having a hard time but don't do them 5 days a week since they will cut into your laddering time which will cause you to improve slower.
That's the way I think about it 
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think about it this way. 3 hours a day is good for you. but the person next to you puts in 8 hours a day. you're losing 5 hours of practice time as compared to him. it's not about being productive as you play/train or not, it's about massing up experiences from many games so that in your head, you have a big bank of encounters of different builds against different builds.
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Its definitely not too late I'm also aspiring to be a professional gamer not because of it being a easy life as I know full well I will have to so much of my personal time into it but because it is what I love to do. Also those that are saying you can't just start being a professional gamer without experience what about those that just started on SC1, they had no experience they have a headstart but if you do what players like spanishiwa does and make a style they cannot meta-game you with and have your own personality I do believe anyone with the right frame of mind can make it to the top.
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Wow, can you seriously put 100% focus into 30 - 40 games per day? For me 20 games is pushing it!
I think it's just human to start making mistakes after a certain amount of time as you would start getting tired. The amount of focus you really need to put into this game, IMO no one could keep that up for 30 - 40 games.... unless if you are on some e-sports drugs. hehehe....
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I think in SC1, you needed raw talent + hard work, b/c of the mechanic requirements to play that game @ a high level. In SC2, I think anybody who works hard can become pro. All you need is 100 apm and still be a pro whereas in SC1 that would have been impossible.
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As long as you have head fitting for this, fast hands, ability to adapt and improve fast, everything is possible
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Again. every week such a thread pops up.
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On September 20 2011 02:48 ZorBa.G wrote:
Wow, can you seriously put 100% focus into 30 - 40 games per day? For me 20 games is pushing it!
I think it's just human to start making mistakes after a certain amount of time as you would start getting tired. The amount of focus you really need to put into this game, IMO no one could keep that up for 30 - 40 games.... unless if you are on some e-sports drugs. hehehe....
This right here shows your complete lack of understanding and respect for these players.
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On September 20 2011 02:48 ZorBa.G wrote:
Wow, can you seriously put 100% focus into 30 - 40 games per day? For me 20 games is pushing it!
I think it's just human to start making mistakes after a certain amount of time as you would start getting tired. The amount of focus you really need to put into this game, IMO no one could keep that up for 30 - 40 games.... unless if you are on some e-sports drugs. hehehe....
When I was in high school I could easily play 10+ hours a day, frequently forgetting to eat. I have a job, wife, and kids now, so I don't get to play much, but on occasion when kids+wife are out of town I can easily sit down and play all day without breaking a sweat or losing concentration. Just the way I am, and I imagine most pro-gamers are similar. The only thing that really slows me down is lack of sleep or food. I am just one of those obsessive individuals who when they find something they like, they will do it to the extreme, and it consumes every waking moment of their life.
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I hate threads like this, theres 1 every day now. Do you think any of the other pros made a big deal about practicing for SC, no they just got on with it and didn't waste time wondering what other people thought, and from this it's pretty obvious youll never become a pro gamer youll quit after a week, maybe even a day.
Stop wasting out time/
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I started playing sc2 in January and I was placed in bronze. I've played countless hours and am now in high masters queuing up against grandmaster players every once in a while. Who knows, maybe I will eventually become a progammer .. maybe not. My point being you need to put in a good 30 hours a week to really see improvement if you're not working with BW or other RTS experience. Mechanics take forever to get to a progamer level.
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I think that you are 1 year behind others, so you would need either very solid style or break the game and shift the meta game completly as you would be the guy with the most exprience with new meta game what could bring you lots of reputation and fame what is needed at the pro level aswell to get invites into tournaments.
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It seems you think that being a starcraft2 pro takes less work/time than a boxing pro. You won't have much of a social life doing either. You'll just be spending time at your' house or a team-house instead of a gym.
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On September 20 2011 02:48 ZorBa.G wrote:
Wow, can you seriously put 100% focus into 30 - 40 games per day? For me 20 games is pushing it!
I think it's just human to start making mistakes after a certain amount of time as you would start getting tired. The amount of focus you really need to put into this game, IMO no one could keep that up for 30 - 40 games.... unless if you are on some e-sports drugs. hehehe....
Sorry, but you are sadly mistaken.
I know your talking about sc2, but look at the BW scene. There's a reason Korea is light years ahead in terms of skill over the foreign scene.
Some people get to the top through hard work. Other people get to the top through "raw talent." And then there's the very small handful that get to the top with both. (People like Flash/Jaedong)
How are you going to compete with players like them with only 3 hours of practice? People who play for fun play for 3 hours... not players that want to go pro.
These guys have the mental strength to play at 100% level 30-40 games while setting aside more time for analyzing. Obviously, if you don't as well, you should consider doing something else.
Edit: I completely agree with what some of the other posters are saying. You show a complete lack of understanding and respect for what it takes to be at the top.
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