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On September 20 2011 03:50 5ukkub wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:43 ellirc wrote:On September 20 2011 03:42 5ukkub wrote:Well... it eventually had to happen. We could almost taste it when Huk joined EG. To be fair, it's the best proof that e-sport is healthier than ever and continuing to grow. Two teams fighting over a player? That's a dream come true! Now professional gamers can just wait until the last team stands with the best offer  What? HuK joining EG was probably the cleanest player transfer ever to be made. You could almost "touch the drama cloud" while reading the mysterious announcment of an announcment thread  And the comments of fans and even those affiliated with TL team made my room tremble, like from hordes of drummers constantly playing this thrilling tone over and over again... That's how i felt then and now it comes again
It was exciting, I agree. But the transfer is in no way similar to this. Think again please.
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I don't want to take side either because i don't think eveyone is clean here but i just wanted to point out that:
Stephano is a Millenium player for many years (he joined them back in wc3)
They invested on him when he was unknown in SC2. And now he had planned to do a streaming-show for them and other stuffs He told a french esportsite (esportfrance.com) despite that he had received a lot of offers, he was going to stay in Millenium.
They were about to make him sign a contract.
They didn't know that Col -edit-had signed-- Stephano. The announcement arrives at 3a.m in France without the knowledge of Millenium.
You can imagine they must have been surprised...
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So does a signature on a legal document mean nothing at this point? Stephano is turning down a very good offer IMO.
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On September 20 2011 03:31 ShallNoiseUpon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:28 Scrutinizer wrote:On September 20 2011 02:36 Sphaero wrote:On September 20 2011 01:43 Scrutinizer wrote:
I have only watched 1 match of him playing, BO3 against MMA in IGN Proleague.
I have to say his play made me feel almost the same way I felt when I watched Jaedong for the first time when he wasn't that famous.
He has the power to turn a SC veteran and an old lurker to a poster, and is clearly the best potential I have seen in SC2 in the non-korean scene if not in the whole world. (I am not talking about just Zergs)
Mark my words: if he has the necessary mental fortitude, he will become a legend. Oh god... now he is already compared to arguably the best Zerg in the history of SC? Honestly, I know that the hype machine of TL (the posters, not the site itself) can get out of hand from time to time, but this is getting ridiculous. Nobody doubts, that this young guy has tons of talent and potential. He is without a doubt a Top 5 Zerg in EU atm, but everything going farther than this (best foreign Zerg, best foreigner in general) is just unjustified. Claiming, that someone is really good at this game can be done by observing his games. Claiming, that someone is the best in a certain group (EU, non korean, general) however needs accomplishments to back it up, be it major championships or consistent high placings over a long period of time. Thats how it is in individual sports (team sport can be different). I can easily name ten foreigners, who are more accomplished than Stephano. Maybe it is because he didn´t have the chance to collect the accomplishments the others have, but that is pure speculation. I hope, that with this deal with col. he will get the chances to prove himself. Maybe he will justify the hype, maybe he won´t. Lets see how it turns out. Well, in my post you have quoted, I am talking about nothing but the potential I saw in what I have watched and did not have any comments about if he is accomplished or not. Jaedong was nowhere near the top when I watched him for the first time, and I was sure I was watching the best SC "player" I have seen, and history did not fail me. His potential was overflowing. I have just stated that Stephano caused "almost' similar feelings in me, and I made another prediction with a constraint and finished my post with it. Now you cant possibly argue that I did not feel that way and my post is wrong can you? I am no hypster or anything as can be seen from the number of my posts, making predictions is bold and here I am dedicating my first posts to do just that, it would be very much appreciated if you read the posts you quote, let alone not calling them ridiculous prior to. Would you say....you scrutinized his play?
I did not get your point maybe because I am not a native english speaker, but you could say so as I tend to examine things. As for SC it is 2nd nature to a former WCG participant like me ^^
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On September 20 2011 03:57 Thurken wrote:
I don't want to take side either because i don't think eveyone is clean here but i just wanted to point out that:
Stephano is a Millenium player for many years (he joined them back in wc3)
They invested on him when he was unknown in SC2. And now he had planned to do a streaming-show for them and other stuffs He told a french esportsite (esportfrance.com) despite that he had received a lot of offers, he was going to stay in Millenium.
They were about to make him sign a contract.
They didn't know that Col was signing Stephano. The announcement arrives at 3a.m in France without the knowledge of Millenium.
You can imagine they must have been surprised...
You should re-read the OP Mod edit.
For Mr. Page to insinuate we improperly "disoriented" a young player is an outright lie. We have spent weeks negotiating with Stephano and countering offers made by Millennium. This was no quick pressure situation.
This seems like slightly shady dealings from Mill, but at the heart of the matter is Stephano hopefully learning an important lesson. He's only recently turned 18, still young and all that. I think he just jumped the gun and signed before he should have and it's biting him and everyone around him in the butt right now.
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On September 20 2011 04:01 Scrutinizer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:31 ShallNoiseUpon wrote:On September 20 2011 03:28 Scrutinizer wrote:On September 20 2011 02:36 Sphaero wrote:On September 20 2011 01:43 Scrutinizer wrote:
I have only watched 1 match of him playing, BO3 against MMA in IGN Proleague.
I have to say his play made me feel almost the same way I felt when I watched Jaedong for the first time when he wasn't that famous.
He has the power to turn a SC veteran and an old lurker to a poster, and is clearly the best potential I have seen in SC2 in the non-korean scene if not in the whole world. (I am not talking about just Zergs)
Mark my words: if he has the necessary mental fortitude, he will become a legend. Oh god... now he is already compared to arguably the best Zerg in the history of SC? Honestly, I know that the hype machine of TL (the posters, not the site itself) can get out of hand from time to time, but this is getting ridiculous. Nobody doubts, that this young guy has tons of talent and potential. He is without a doubt a Top 5 Zerg in EU atm, but everything going farther than this (best foreign Zerg, best foreigner in general) is just unjustified. Claiming, that someone is really good at this game can be done by observing his games. Claiming, that someone is the best in a certain group (EU, non korean, general) however needs accomplishments to back it up, be it major championships or consistent high placings over a long period of time. Thats how it is in individual sports (team sport can be different). I can easily name ten foreigners, who are more accomplished than Stephano. Maybe it is because he didn´t have the chance to collect the accomplishments the others have, but that is pure speculation. I hope, that with this deal with col. he will get the chances to prove himself. Maybe he will justify the hype, maybe he won´t. Lets see how it turns out. Well, in my post you have quoted, I am talking about nothing but the potential I saw in what I have watched and did not have any comments about if he is accomplished or not. Jaedong was nowhere near the top when I watched him for the first time, and I was sure I was watching the best SC "player" I have seen, and history did not fail me. His potential was overflowing. I have just stated that Stephano caused "almost' similar feelings in me, and I made another prediction with a constraint and finished my post with it. Now you cant possibly argue that I did not feel that way and my post is wrong can you? I am no hypster or anything as can be seen from the number of my posts, making predictions is bold and here I am dedicating my first posts to do just that, it would be very much appreciated if you read the posts you quote, let alone not calling them ridiculous prior to. Would you say....you scrutinized his play? I did not get your point maybe because I am not a native english speaker, but you could say so as I tend to examine things. As for SC it is 2nd nature to a former WCG participant like me ^^
Look at your forum name
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On September 20 2011 03:52 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:50 5ukkub wrote:On September 20 2011 03:43 ellirc wrote:On September 20 2011 03:42 5ukkub wrote:Well... it eventually had to happen. We could almost taste it when Huk joined EG. To be fair, it's the best proof that e-sport is healthier than ever and continuing to grow. Two teams fighting over a player? That's a dream come true! Now professional gamers can just wait until the last team stands with the best offer What? HuK joining EG was probably the cleanest player transfer ever to be made. You could almost "touch the drama cloud" while reading the mysterious announcment of an announcment thread And the comments of fans and even those affiliated with TL team made my room tremble, like from hordes of drummers constantly playing this thrilling tone over and over again... That's how i felt then and now it comes again What the hell are you talking about
If it's too hard to notice... i mentioned the familiarity in drama that have been felt by the community (although this time it seems there is more misunderstanding involved).
And then responded to the poster that argued my point. I thing either you misunderstood or just didn't read the quotes ^^
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On September 20 2011 03:57 Thurken wrote:
I don't want to take side either because i don't think eveyone is clean here but i just wanted to point out that:
Stephano is a Millenium player for many years (he joined them back in wc3)
They invested on him when he was unknown in SC2. And now he had planned to do a streaming-show for them and other stuffs He told a french esportsite (esportfrance.com) despite that he had received a lot of offers, he was going to stay in Millenium.
They were about to make him sign a contract.
They didn't know that Col was signing Stephano. The announcement arrives at 3a.m in France without the knowledge of Millenium.
You can imagine they must have been surprised...
Where are you getting the info that Mill did not know Col was signing Stephano? according to Col they have been in talks for weeks and have had counter offers to what Mil has given.
Did Mil come right out and say that they had no idea that Col was talking to stephano? if so i have yet to see it and could you please link the page
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I don't know which country's laws are appliable here (but both coL and stephano do)
What I know is that if the contract is under french law (i only studied about contracts ^^), i don't see how coL could "win" (don't know how to say) for many reasons...
Some of them : Stephano is Millenium since many years, this is like a repeated action. Even if he wasnt link with them with a real contract (signed), he is M since a long time. Stephano is also young, french law could say that he was "under pressure" (i dont know how to say it ^^), that coL "manipulated" his mind. Of course, coL will say that they didnt but if Stephano's will is to be Millenium, coL will not be able to force him just because french law claims intention (what your heart/mind wants) first instead of how you acted.
But if it is with US laws, i dont know ^^
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On September 20 2011 04:02 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 04:01 Scrutinizer wrote:On September 20 2011 03:31 ShallNoiseUpon wrote:On September 20 2011 03:28 Scrutinizer wrote:On September 20 2011 02:36 Sphaero wrote:On September 20 2011 01:43 Scrutinizer wrote:
I have only watched 1 match of him playing, BO3 against MMA in IGN Proleague.
I have to say his play made me feel almost the same way I felt when I watched Jaedong for the first time when he wasn't that famous.
He has the power to turn a SC veteran and an old lurker to a poster, and is clearly the best potential I have seen in SC2 in the non-korean scene if not in the whole world. (I am not talking about just Zergs)
Mark my words: if he has the necessary mental fortitude, he will become a legend. Oh god... now he is already compared to arguably the best Zerg in the history of SC? Honestly, I know that the hype machine of TL (the posters, not the site itself) can get out of hand from time to time, but this is getting ridiculous. Nobody doubts, that this young guy has tons of talent and potential. He is without a doubt a Top 5 Zerg in EU atm, but everything going farther than this (best foreign Zerg, best foreigner in general) is just unjustified. Claiming, that someone is really good at this game can be done by observing his games. Claiming, that someone is the best in a certain group (EU, non korean, general) however needs accomplishments to back it up, be it major championships or consistent high placings over a long period of time. Thats how it is in individual sports (team sport can be different). I can easily name ten foreigners, who are more accomplished than Stephano. Maybe it is because he didn´t have the chance to collect the accomplishments the others have, but that is pure speculation. I hope, that with this deal with col. he will get the chances to prove himself. Maybe he will justify the hype, maybe he won´t. Lets see how it turns out. Well, in my post you have quoted, I am talking about nothing but the potential I saw in what I have watched and did not have any comments about if he is accomplished or not. Jaedong was nowhere near the top when I watched him for the first time, and I was sure I was watching the best SC "player" I have seen, and history did not fail me. His potential was overflowing. I have just stated that Stephano caused "almost' similar feelings in me, and I made another prediction with a constraint and finished my post with it. Now you cant possibly argue that I did not feel that way and my post is wrong can you? I am no hypster or anything as can be seen from the number of my posts, making predictions is bold and here I am dedicating my first posts to do just that, it would be very much appreciated if you read the posts you quote, let alone not calling them ridiculous prior to. Would you say....you scrutinized his play? I did not get your point maybe because I am not a native english speaker, but you could say so as I tend to examine things. As for SC it is 2nd nature to a former WCG participant like me ^^ Look at your forum name
... Can you explain me then what is the point "Would you say....you scrutinized his play?" ?
Is that supposed to be funny because my nickname is scrutinizer? I honestly did not get it and I thought it maybe related to some pun or the like in english that I am not aware of.
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Stephano is just ahead of a curve. FUTURE OF ESPORTS Playin at once for 2 teams why stop on one? Silly boys get real.
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I think my use of the english langage is the problem here.
I wanted to say that Millenium did not know that Stephano was a Col player at the precise time he signed the contract, and at the time the news appeared in TL.
I don't know for the "been in talks for weeks" part
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On September 20 2011 03:57 Thurken wrote:
I don't want to take side either because i don't think eveyone is clean here but i just wanted to point out that:
Stephano is a Millenium player for many years (he joined them back in wc3)
They invested on him when he was unknown in SC2. And now he had planned to do a streaming-show for them and other stuffs He told a french esportsite (esportfrance.com) despite that he had received a lot of offers, he was going to stay in Millenium.
They were about to make him sign a contract.
They didn't know that Col was signing Stephano. The announcement arrives at 3a.m in France without the knowledge of Millenium.
You can imagine they must have been surprised...
If it's true that Mill didn't know that Col was signing him, it's well deserved for Col
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On September 20 2011 04:14 hyuu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 03:57 Thurken wrote:
I don't want to take side either because i don't think eveyone is clean here but i just wanted to point out that:
Stephano is a Millenium player for many years (he joined them back in wc3)
They invested on him when he was unknown in SC2. And now he had planned to do a streaming-show for them and other stuffs He told a french esportsite (esportfrance.com) despite that he had received a lot of offers, he was going to stay in Millenium.
They were about to make him sign a contract.
They didn't know that Col was signing Stephano. The announcement arrives at 3a.m in France without the knowledge of Millenium.
You can imagine they must have been surprised... If it's true that Mill didn't know that Col was signing him, it's well deserved for Col
Even if this is the case, it is on Stephano, not the organizations. Unless coL held a gun up to Stephano's head at 3am, it was Stephano's choice to sign.
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Stay classy CoL !
Kind of a slap in the face, but deserved if they tried to kind of steal him.'
Edit: nvm reading other thread, should delete em and make one thread on the situation imo.
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On September 20 2011 04:13 Thurken wrote:
I think my use of the english langage is the problem here.
I wanted to say that Millenium did not know that Stephano was a Col player at the precise time he signed the contract, and at the time the news appeared in TL.
I don't know for the "been in talks for weeks" part
Not only Millenium knew, but they newsed it on their website during the night cf.
News Mille
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Sweet dreams are made of this
Who am I to disagree?
Travel the world and the seven seas....
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On September 20 2011 04:18 Koorb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 04:13 Thurken wrote:
I think my use of the english langage is the problem here.
I wanted to say that Millenium did not know that Stephano was a Col player at the precise time he signed the contract, and at the time the news appeared in TL.
I don't know for the "been in talks for weeks" part Not only Millenium knew, but they newsed it on their website during the night cf. News Mille
So it's Millenniums fault then.
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On September 20 2011 04:18 Koorb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 04:13 Thurken wrote:
I think my use of the english langage is the problem here.
I wanted to say that Millenium did not know that Stephano was a Col player at the precise time he signed the contract, and at the time the news appeared in TL.
I don't know for the "been in talks for weeks" part Not only Millenium knew, but they newsed it on their website during the night cf. News Mille
When i read the news, i have the impression Millenium learned it when they read the news on the Col site.
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It's one of Millenium League of Legends newser who newsed it during the night (he saw the news on TL or Col i don't know)
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